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HUGE loop hole in CT AWB. People are buying them now.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by dcmdon, Jan 3, 2017.

  1. MGnoob

    MGnoob NES Life Member NES Member

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    I dont think thats an AOW...a VFG would make it one, but I can't tell from the picture but i dont think that that grip folds down into a vertical position... you can have a forward grip on a ar pistol..like AFG(angled foregrip)
     
  2. Wrench75

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    That's why fight club rules should apply to this thing. Much like they do to the MA loophole here. Everyone needs to STFU about it before we cause the hole to be plugged.

    Don't get me wrong, it's cool and all. We just don't need to be telling them about it.
     
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  3. browncoat

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    In a state with a registry like MA (it has one more or less) they can figure it out from the database
     
  4. bigblue

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    This MGL refers to a loaded firearm whereas the post referred to an unloaded firearm.
     
  5. pupchow

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    The law does stipulate that the holder of a LTC Class B must have the firearm unloaded while transported in a vehicle. There is no such burden for the holder of a LTC Class A.

    "(b) No person carrying a firearm under a Class B license issued under section 131 or 131F shall possess the same in a vehicle unless such weapon is unloaded and contained within the locked trunk of such vehicle or in a locked case or other secure container. Whoever violates the provisions of this subsection shall be punished by a fine of $500. "
     
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  6. bigblue

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    I think that was his point.
     
  7. drgrant

    drgrant Moderator NES Member

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    If you take the VFG off it, doesn't that dodge the AOW BS?

    -Mike
     
  8. Freddy B

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    Not arguing MA is a firearm friendly state, but our constitution also guarantees the following (emphasis mine):

    Article I. All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties;

    Article XVII. The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence.
     
  9. scatter

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    Move. And then buy whatever you want.
     
  10. andrew1220

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    So how much are these selling for anyway?
     
  11. bostonasphalt2

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    I think you are off the mark in what you are referencing from Don's post. Here is what said (for example the fact that an unloaded handgun does not have to be under your direct control or in a locked container. Yes. really, read the law)


    You mentioned one portion of transport, but it isn't quite what he is saying.
     
  12. Smokewagon

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    That argument is fantastic until you realize the Commiechusetts AG had never done anything like this before either. Although I would be surprised if any other AG did this before it hits the courtroom.
     
  13. dcmdon

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    $850.

    I also can't think of any reason you couldn't put a sig arm brace on it.

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    Note the word LOADED.

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    They are putting photos of smiling customers on the gun shop's web page as well as their FB page.

    NES is the least of their worries.

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    I think so. At this point, I still don't understand why they put a VFG on it.

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    Thanks. I learned something tonight.

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    Also. That restriction applies to a Class B license. I don't know anyone with a Class B license and they haven't issued one in 2 years.

    There is no restriction in the statute on the unloaded transport of a firearm. (recognizing that Firearm in MA means handgun) There are also no restrictions on non-large capacity rifles or shotguns. Again. Read the law, slowly, and carefully. Parse each phrase.

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    Yes they did, the entire Glock lawsuit going on is based on something the MA AG did on their own years ago.

    Can those with more history in MA let us know when the MA AG handgun safety regs went into effect?
     
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  14. dgrafton

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    Sorry, I'm not totally up to date on the finer points of what constitutes an AOW , but maybe they are pre-empting people from violating NFA by taking that step ahead of time.
    The vfg may give more control while shooting rather than just the handguard.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    Could be right, by them making it an AOW you don't have people taking it home, thinking "Hey, I know what this needs, a vertical grip" and putting one on making it an AOW without the stamp and getting nailed by the feds.
     
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    AR Pistols are banned in CT
     
  17. radioman

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    Your first post comes in a 2 1/2-year-old thread to
    inform us that AR pistols are illegal in Connecticut?
    Most know that but thank you very much.

    Enjoy NES.
     
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    No it isn't.
     
  19. Agnotology

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    sorry to double necro, but is this still in effect? and what would adding a pistol brace do to the legality?
     
  20. Dennis in MA

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    Nothing. A pistol brace doesn't make or not make a pistol. BARREL LENGTH will. AOW would be a 16" bbl and a brace. Or no brace. I haven't re-necro'd the thread, but just acquiring a pistol in CT (which apparently is illegal) and adding a VFG to AOW it would not be adequate. I think. This crap confuses me and I'm one of the smarter and more humble folks here. ;)
     
  21. amm5061

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    Ummmm... No. The lack of ability to accept a stock makes it a pistol according to the feds. A brace has no bearing on this. You can also have what ever length barrel you want, it's irrelevant to the pistol/rifle classification. In this case, the forward vertical grip on a pistol with an overall length (OAL) of less than 26" is what makes it an AOW.

    To transfer an AOW, you pay for a $5 tax stamp on a Form 4. To build one, you pay the $200 tax stamp on a (e)Form 1.
     
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  22. fshalor

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    I remember seeing this 2 years ago and being mad about the fingers in the trigger guard.

    It still triggers my jimmies.
     
  23. Dennis in MA

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    So I can have a pistol with a 42" barrel??? Like I said, there are too many laws.
     
  24. MGnoob

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    I love the irony of banning “assault weapons” forcing people to get the same firepower in a more concealable package. To work around the ban...

    It’s like the state keeps shooting itself in the foot
     
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  25. Dennis in MA

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    With a smaller, more concealable gun. ;)
     
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    Yup. It's stupid, but that's how it works.
     
  27. Dennis in MA

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    LOL. I need to re-flow-chart my AWB/MA-AWB/AOW/etc flow chart.
     
  28. gxx9sdb

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    So many absurd and confusing laws that abiding citizens have to try and navigate around. Even still, you may get prosecuted. We are a LONG way from 'shall not be infringed'. 2A is so simple.
     
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    Reading all this made me think the same. My head hurts. The laws are just plain silly...
     
  30. Dennis in MA

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    I’m working on a Sten kit. Was thinking of making it a pistol. Thankfully, before buying the bbl and grip, I realized it would be a MA AWB violation due to weight and mag in front of the grip. Ugh.
     

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