How the Military would crush a rebellion

[Projectile]

Just go here and download it for your Barnes and Noble Nook:

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/imp...ple-this-book-wwwsurvivalebookscom/1104299197

 

[GrayHorizon]

You are a member of and post on NES. YOU ARE ALREADY ON A LIST(S)!

If you havent had some kind of copy of the anarchist cookbook since you've been on the internets, you sir or madam, are doing it wrong.

100% backtraced and consequences will never be the same.

but will there be glocks to mouths and brain slushies?

 

[soloman02]

If you havent had some kind of copy of the anarchist cookbook since you've been on the internets, you sir or madam, are doing it wrong.



but will there be glocks to mouths and brain slushies?

Frankly, I just like the fact the the GOVERNMENT put out a book on how to make a ied. They also put out a book on guerrilla warfare and a few other rebellion type manuals. Saw them at the gun show today.

Granted they were for military use, but hey we believe in the 2nd amendment, shouldn't we have the same knowledge and comparable firearms as the military? That is why we all rushed to buy AR's and AK's right?

 

[299792458 m/s]

It's interesting how people assume a modern revolution would get crushed by our military. How long now has a poorly equipped guy with an AK47 been our main enemy in war? People also seem to forget how large our country is. Our military isn't big enough to occupy and control the entire country.

 

[ivarr]

Step 1: Use MSM to demonize the rebellion. Be sure to throw in some child abuse, sexual abuse of women, and senseless beating of the elderly in the propaganda.

Step 2: Watch the military gladly kill "child molesters" and "woman beaters".

Step 3: American Sheeple rejoice in order being restored in their sheltered little worlds.

Step 4: ????

Step 5: Profit.

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[fivepak]

It's interesting how people assume a modern revolution would get crushed by our military. How long now has a poorly equipped guy with an AK47 been our main enemy in war? People also seem to forget how large our country is. Our military isn't big enough to occupy and control the entire country.

Yup

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The first thing a militia would need is a few rebels actually fit to fight. Not trying to be an ass, but after meeting a few of you guys it's time to spend less time shooting paper and more time doing sit-ups.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

That article starts off with a somewhat stupid premise - that the rebels would "occupy" a city.

Why occupy a city? That's just sort of stupid. You don't want to rule the cities - you want to rule the countryside. Without the countryside - the cities starve to death. Start blowing up rail lines that haul food into the cities and blowing up highway bridges - and you could very quickly present the government with a real problem if you just left the cities to them.

I remember reading stories about the fall of the Soviet Union - and one of the things that stood out was how when the government fell it wasn't that big of a deal. One of the reasons for that was that people in the cities all had little gardens - because the supply chain was so damn inefficient. Also the Soviet command economy did stupid shit like fill up warehouses full of product that they didn't need right away. So the economy implodes - and you need a new pair of shoes - somewhere there's a warehouse with like 5 years supply of shoes. And you're already growing your own food anyway even if you live in the city - so if the supermarkets are empty for a few days - it's a "who cares - nothing unusual to see here " type of event.

That's NOT the way the US functions. We live in a just in time economy - there are not that much leeway in the supply chain to tolerate shocks to the system - and it would completely vulnerable to attacks. Look at what happens whenever there is a big storm and the power goes out - people go crazy buying up all the water in every supermarket around.

If you were a "rebel" - the stupidest thing you could do would be to take over a city and assume that burden. Start attacking the infrastructure - then start a propoganda campaign about how the government is trying to starve people, there's huge warehouses full of food underground in strategic locations around the country - but only for govt. employees - etc.

Put the burden of the socialist class squarely into the governments hands - and make them pay for creating and encouraging it in the first place. Also attack the banking structure - if Anonymous is as good as they claim to be - maybe they could just lock up the electronic banking system. That's going to totally screw with the cities more than the countryside.

If you really want piss people off - you go in - occupy a city - start a battle against government forces - then as soon as they start bombing the crap out of everything and killing all the city residents - you skeedaddle out of there and leave behind the pissed off population of the city for the government to deal with.

Seriously people - use your damn heads.

this, if people just started driving around sniping transformers on power lines, and then the utility workers coming to repair them, and blowing up/sabotaging other critical infrastructure, the .gov would be so overwhelmed dealing with the sheeple's unrest they wouldnt be able to dedicate all of their resources to fighting a rebellion. the idea that a rebellion will come in the form of a bunch of bubbas taking over a town is silly to me. maybe if they were suicidal i could see it happening.

 

[fivepak]

this, if people just started driving around sniping transformers on power lines, and then the utility workers coming to repair them, and blowing up/sabotaging other critical infrastructure, the .gov would be so overwhelmed dealing with the sheeple's unrest they wouldnt be able to dedicate all of their resources to fighting a rebellion. the idea that a rebellion will come in the form of a bunch of bubbas taking over a town is silly to me. maybe if they were suicidal i could see it happening.

I'm sure shooting some poor working slob that trying to repair a transformer is going to win a lot of support for the militia.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

I'm sure shooting some poor working slob that trying to repair a transformer is going to win a lot of support for the militia.

ya being one of those guys who would be out fixing it, clearly, im not advocating it at all, im just saying, that is more likely the type of thing your going to see than billy bob and his buddies taking over a town in SC and holding out for a fight with the USMC.

 

[fivepak]

On thing that leads me to believe the military would not support being misused to oppress the American people is the fact some of them actively spoke out against obama during the campaign. The special ops guys certainly don't seem to be fans.

 

[AllaSnackbah]

your right, i think there are quite a few guys like this out there.

 

[IDPA Mike]

And who would be the people responsible for crushing the rebellion? You mean US troops? More than half would quit if they were ordered to confiscate firearms or shoot other Americans.[/QUOTE

Crosby stills Nash and Young.
4 dead in OHIO.

 

[USMA-82]

I think the federal government has become way too savvy to allow itself to become a victim of armed rebellion. They have developed a "frog-boiling" strategy where they turn the heat up slowly, allowing us to slip into a relaxed state of security, not really alarmed by all the little incremental changes taking place as they slowly turn up the heat.

I want to believe that the government would face reality and change peacefully before being faced by angry Americans.

But if the straw finally breaks the camel's back, I have to believe that our folks in uniform will soon come to the realization that what they are being asked to do is contrary to the principals they were sworn to uphold. The "peace treaty" that ensues would not be the result of "ants overcoming the elephant", but a collapse of the military alliance with a criminal government.

If the conflict does come, however, I agree with previous posters. We would become a wounded animal in a jungle of hungry predators - our enemies across the globe would not hesitate to strike. Then the real fun begins.....

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[FalArAk]

Can I be a squad leader ?

 

[SKS Ray]

Haha that would be a turkey shoot. Belgian regulars in bright blue helmets.

Having attended just about every NES shoot I can just say hopefully they're BIG bright blue helmets.

 

[lancecolonel]

I'd like to restate Calsdad's earlier point.

Force .gov to care for cities and everything implodes. The last thing you want to do as a rebel is enter a large city. Sit back and sabotage. Move, break something, move again. Occasionally take a few shots at the people who try to fix what you broke. Think the utility guy is going to work on the substation after a few rounds go by his head or his buddy got toasted there? Not going to happen.

Cities are entirely dependent on outside support for food/power/gas. Stop any one of those three and .gov is going to be too busy dealing with the welfare queen riots to hunt down rebels. Force them to deal with the result of the nanny state they created. When free shit stops flowing, people who got it will do what all spoiled children do: Throw a tantrum and blame the people who are suppose to give them everything.

why should we assume that the .gov will even bother trying to quell riots in cities? serious question. would it be to save the sheeple class they created? seems to me that it would be a waste of .gov resources. looking forward to answers/opinions on that.

 

[fivepak]

If the conflict does come, however, I agree with previous posters. We would become a wounded animal in a jungle of hungry predators - our enemies across the globe would not hesitate to strike. Then the real fun begins.....

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I can't think of a single foreign military with the money resources to handle the logistics of moving an invading force into the US. When they got here they would still have to deal with 80+ million armed citizens and some hardened by civil war.

 

[Glasgow Grin]

Google Joel Skousen.

 

[USMA-82]

I can't think of a single foreign military with the money resources to handle the logistics of moving an invading force into the US. When they got here they would still have to deal with 80+ million armed citizens and some hardened by civil war.

Agreed - think terrorist "cells" established here and waiting for a call to action. The destruction they cause would be blamed on both sides of the internal conflict.

 

[Coyote33]

Much talk of "crushing" here, also of allies, timing, courage, and other things which win campaigns:

The Revolutionary War




From Lexington to the Negotiated Settlement, 1775-83

King George, on August 23, 1775, declared that a rebellion existed and that it would be crushed and the "traitors" brought to justice.

 

[Prepper]

LOL, damn dude. You could give people a heads up before they click on that link. If I wasnt on some gov list before, Im pretty sure I am now.

I didn't know I could make an IED out of pee. I hope I don't get black bagged for possessing bomb making materials.

 

[xtry51]

ya being one of those guys who would be out fixing it, clearly, im not advocating it at all, im just saying, that is more likely the type of thing your going to see than billy bob and his buddies taking over a town in SC and holding out for a fight with the USMC.

Just food for thought. I'm guessing if you had power going down like dominos and you heard it was all due to gunfire, would you actually show up for work? You gotta have some idea that could be a bad idea.

ETA: Here's and even worst case scenario than some random dude taking out power. A libertarian who just happens to be a utility worker starts driving around sabotaging shit. THAT would be a quick downward spiral.

why should we assume that the .gov will even bother trying to quell riots in cities? serious question. would it be to save the sheeple class they created? seems to me that it would be a waste of .gov resources. looking forward to answers/opinions on that.

They have to because cities are what get pols elected. Lose the city support and effectively federal government collapses. You can't fight a rebellion against insurgents while your own people are burning down SS and foodstamp offices everywhere because they didn't get their checks or EBTs. Those people are .gov employees and if government doesn't protect them more workers will quit and stop showing up.

 

[SteelShooter]

Just food for thought. I'm guessing if you had power going down like dominos and you heard it was all due to gunfire, would you actually show up for work? You gotta have some idea that could be a bad idea.

ETA: Here's and ever worst case scenario than some random dude taking out power. A libertarian who just happens to be a utility worker starts driving around sabotaging shit. THAT would be a quick downward spiral.



They have to because cities are what get pols elected. Lose the city support and effectively federal government collapses. You can't fight a rebellion against insurgents while your own people are burning down SS and foodstamp offices everywhere because they didn't get their checks or EBTs. Those people are .gov employees and if government doesn't protect them more workers will quit and stop showing up.

And this is with no one interfering with the .gov

Riot for housing vouchers

 

[frenchman]

I can't think of a single foreign military with the money resources to handle the logistics of moving an invading force into the US. When they got here they would still have to deal with 80+ million armed citizens and some hardened by civil war.

That's what the Romans thought. And then, the huns came along. Just ask Attila.

 

[calsdad]

I agree with your propaganda statement. In the war of information we've lost. That's half the battle. A big target for a rebellion would have to be media outlets.

Originally Posted by calsdad

Last time I checked it was "US troops" who gunned down un-armed college students at Kent State.
That whole thing played out in a few seconds when one troop panicked. If I remember right it was a long time before national guard were given ammo for riot control. Ammo was kept in the rear with higher echlon.


My point was that it's not unknown that US troops gun down "fellow Americans" - the fact that they kept the ammo from troops doing riot control - only reinforces that it could happen again.

And it was US troops that burned up whole villages and shot unarmed peasants in the rice fields on Vietnam.
While those war crimes are terrible the troops weren't doing it to fellow Americans.

True - they were done to the "enemy" and they were done because the troops were under stress - and were trying to fight a war amidst a population that didn't want them there. Which is pretty much exactly what you would have if there was some sort of asymetric civil war going on in the US. All you need to do is fill the troops heads with indoctrination on who the "enemy" is (Tea Partiers) - and then stick them in a situation where they're getting their asses shot at and IED'ed on a regular basis - and whala - you've got the magic cocktail for war crimes.

It's not like this is an unknown thing. It happened so many times during WW2 that nobody even really paid much attention.

I think you're seriously over-estimating the capability of people in this country to continue to look at each other as "fellow Americans" once the shooting starts - especially when you're dealing with something like a "Tea Party" rebellion - against the beloved socialist state.


I've met quite a few VERY left people - who were veterans of the US military - and fully believed that US military forces should be used for shoving "civilization" down people's throats.
I don't know if you've ever served, but the real lefties in the military are rare. Most are moderate to right.


That's probably true - all I was saying was that military service is not the exclusive domain of "right wingers". I'm also pretty sure that if a call for services went out by King Obama to man up an army to fight some sort of evil Tea Party insurrection - there's an awful lot of Occupy retards who would join right up - thinking they are off to do the Lord's work.

How much time does it take to take a dipshit off the street and run him thru basic - teach him how to shoot a rifle, march in lockstep - and fill his head with thoughts of killing the "enemy"? Six months maybe - in wartime conditions?I'm pretty sure the appropriate propoganda will be generated if there is ever a rebellion in the US - to get sufficient number of US troops to sign on to our new overlords and do what they say. [/COLOR]

Spend some time reading the history of wars over the last century or so - most of which have been pretty extensively documented and written about - both from the higher command levels and from the grunt level - and I think you will come away with the the understanding that once some serious shooting starts that whole "fellow Americans" thing will get tossed right out the window.

It will especially get tossed because if there was ever an insurrection - it would likely be because some states just broke away entirely. And then you would also have insurrection in the other states - but a government loyal in those states still to the Federal Government. So what you end up with is some political entities that can demonized thru propaganda (the break away states) - and a bunch of people in the other states who are fighting amidst a political structure that is still attached to the Feds (those people would be called "rebels" or "insurrectionists" or "terrorists".

The breakaway states will demonized as a whole. The people fighting amidst the old political structure will be "traitors" - or any of the other words I already put out there. Loyal moonbats will sign up to fight. You will have a full scale war on your hands.

The only way anything "real" really happens is if you get some states in their entirety to break away with their political structure intact.

I remember reading something from an Army officer a while back where he outlined when/where/how the military would defy the government. What he basically said was that as long as the civilians as a whole continue to support the government - NO MATTER HOW BAD IT GETS - it's his job to follow orders.

Once complete states start breaking away - and substantial portions of people within the other states are protesting the actions of the government - and maybe even actively fighting against that government - but the government in the states and at the Federal level is still held by the same people as before and is going after the citizens - then you probably have that scenario.

But rogue groups of "militia" starting battles against the government - while the vast majority of people either sit on their hands and do nothing and/or actively agree with and support that tyrannical government - PROBABLY DOES NOT QUALIFY.

All of this is why I think it so important that people get shit straight in their heads and understand what this country was supposed to be.

Crying "Molon Labe!" when the government comes to take your guns - and then asking while you're languishing in the prison camp - if you're still going to be eligible for Social Security - is not having things straight in your head.

 

[calsdad]

I think the federal government has become way too savvy to allow itself to become a victim of armed rebellion. They have developed a "frog-boiling" strategy where they turn the heat up slowly, allowing us to slip into a relaxed state of security, not really alarmed by all the little incremental changes taking place as they slowly turn up the heat.

I want to believe that the government would face reality and change peacefully before being faced by angry Americans.

But if the straw finally breaks the camel's back, I have to believe that our folks in uniform will soon come to the realization that what they are being asked to do is contrary to the principals they were sworn to uphold. The "peace treaty" that ensues would not be the result of "ants overcoming the elephant", but a collapse of the military alliance with a criminal government.

If the conflict does come, however, I agree with previous posters. We would become a wounded animal in a jungle of hungry predators - our enemies across the globe would not hesitate to strike. Then the real fun begins.....

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That's pretty much what happened in the Soviet Union.

The elite saw the handwriting on the wall - and decided to dismantle the whole thing.

I was once told by a guy I bought an SKS from ( A Russian SKS - from a RUSSIAN guy) - that after the Soviet Union fell there were people all over the place with AK's. In a lot of cases it was essentially a citizens militia helping to keep order.

But firearms were outlawed in the Soviet Union you say? Well he told me that the Soviet Union was FULL of people who secretely squirreled away weaponry. Soldiers absconded with them from their military service. They were sold on the black market. People had battlefield pickups from WW2 (which had been buried in a field for 50 years) - etc. He claimed there was weaponry all over the place.

Well lets say the Soviet bureaucracy and military actually KNEW THIS. It's not like Soviet society wasn't full of people who actually knew how to use that weaponry and were trained in military tactics. I mean they had been maintaining a huge army for decades and they had just fought a war in Afghanistan.

They also had an oppressive government and a population that by and large thought the government SUCKED.

So what do you have? A situation ripe for civil war and a massive blowup of the country. The Soviet leadership was also intimately familiar with rebellions - some of the Eastern Bloc countries had had them. So they would have known what it would have meant for one to happen there.


See - this is why I think we need to smarten up about this. Crying "molon labe!" and having a few isolated incidents where people go ballistic and fly airplanes into IRS buildings or burn up in their churches isn't going to achieve shit.

First the government has to BELIEVE that the people have the means and the tactics and the willpower to achieve a successful rebellion - and then there also needs to be a critical mass of the American public that just is completely "done" with the current way of things.

Even to this day there are people in the Soviet Union who worship Stalin. In the grand scheme of things they don't matter though. The fact that so many people still believe that the Federal government in some form or fashion is going to be their salvation - whether it's a social security check - or saving you from terrorists - or building the roads- or enforcing smoking laws - or whatever - THAT RIGHT THERE - THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

Until YOU fix that - there will never be any sort of successful rebellion.

"the revolution was won in the hearts and the minds of the people before it ever begun"

If you don't fix the stupid shit in your head first - then all you are is a pissed off crazy gun owner who just went nutso and got taken out by our beloved men in black.

 

[calsdad]

why should we assume that the .gov will even bother trying to quell riots in cities? serious question. would it be to save the sheeple class they created? seems to me that it would be a waste of .gov resources. looking forward to answers/opinions on that.

They might not. Any successful rebellion is a mix of financial, political, military and propaganda. The military aspect is probably one of the lesser pieces of the equation from all the history I have read.

So the .gov "gives up on" some of the cities. That's when the "rebels" come in - and restore food and power - and now you've got an entire city on your side. If things really work out for you the .gov actually comes in and carpet bombs the city a few times and REALLY pisses off the people there - so they are really firmly entrenched in the "rebel" camp now.


If you read thru the history of WW2 - the Allies thought that by carpet bombing the German cities they would cause the German people to give up on Hitler. Instead what happened is they fell in line MORE behind him - and German war production actually WENT UP - during the last years of the war even though they were besieged from all sides.

It's not as simple as all the militia wannabees would have you believe it to be.

 

[josh2600]

ya being one of those guys who would be out fixing it, clearly, im not advocating it at all, im just saying, that is more likely the type of thing your going to see than billy bob and his buddies taking over a town in SC and holding out for a fight with the USMC.

Just wait til it's fixed and do it again. No power, utility guy gets loads of OT. Everybody wins!

 

[ThePreBanMan]

If you want to win, you need to take on the overwhelming force via gorilla tactics. We're not talking about lining up troops on the battlefield and going toe to toe. That won't yield fruit. You need to attack the soft underbelly. It's not the Army you need to focus on - it's the required logistical support to feed and house those troops. It's the financing required to pay them. The supply lines to arm them.

If you see the Army lining up against you, you should flee. When you see the private contractor(s) trucking in fuel, food, ammo, toilet paper, or whatever for that same army, now that is a ripe target... Those private contractors will rely on trucks, equipment, etc. all of which can be burned. They will rely on military contracted manufacturing facilities to make the things they need - factories which can be burned...

you get the idea here.

 

[frenchman]

It's not like Soviet society wasn't full of people who actually knew how to use that weaponry and were trained in military tactics.

True. They had the draft. Almost every male civilian had military training. Huge difference to the situation here.