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Guns and kids in the home
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That pissed me off about your doctor. I suppose no one should have pools or go swimming either huh? You hear more about accidental drownings than gun problems.
Giving out recommendations of helping keep a safe home is fine with me but it's clear they are singling out guns. BS.
I guess I'm kinda lucky my kid's pediatrician wants to take the NRA gun safety class with my wife so she can get her license....
Giving out recommendations of helping keep a safe home is fine with me but it's clear they are singling out guns. BS.
I guess I'm kinda lucky my kid's pediatrician wants to take the NRA gun safety class with my wife so she can get her license....
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Been going to Post Road Pediatrics in Sudbury for years (was my pediatrician and is now who we use for our sons)
NEVER had them discuss anything that doesn't apply to medical issues. (yet)
NEVER had them discuss anything that doesn't apply to medical issues. (yet)
kiver
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I am at work but it was basically a copy of this page:
Firearms Injury Prevention
More than 44 million Americans own firearms. Of the 192 million firearms owned in the United States, 65 million are handguns. Research shows guns in homes are a serious risk to families.
A gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill someone known to the family than to kill someone in self-defense.
A gun kept in the home triples the risk of homicide.
The risk of suicide is 5 times more likely if a gun is kept in the home.
Advice to parents
The best way to keep your children safe from injury or death from guns is to NEVER have a gun in the home.
Do not purchase a gun, especially a handgun.
Remove all guns present in the home.
Talk to your children about the dangers of guns, and tell them to stay away from guns.
Find out if there are guns in the homes where your children play. If so, talk to the adults in the house about the dangers of guns to their families.
For those who know of the dangers of guns but still keep a gun in the home
Always keep the gun unloaded and locked up.
Lock and store the bullets in a separate place.
Make sure to hide the keys to the locked boxes.
The information in this publication should not be used as a substitute for the medical care and advice of your pediatrician. There may be variations in treatment that your pediatrician may recommend based on the individual facts and circumstances.
3-32/rev0801 © 2000 American Academy of Pediatrics HE3001
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Bingo!
Until you get a quick access safe you could grab a locking keyed laptop safe or the such from Home Depot or BJ's or what have you. Place those keys on separate key fobs and keep one in your pocket put the other one in the basement.
Depending on your method of carry, if you carry during the day you use the box at night, being sure that the box is in an accessible area that you can reach easily at night but is not blatantly out in the open to the point that it will draw your kids to it. If you go that route be sure that at night your bedroom door locks the kids out (in case you over sleep).
The most important thing you can take from that and take from the Doctors APA advice is to educate your children on firearms as early as possible. Let them know its Daddy’s/Mommy’s and they should never touch it, and if they see one to tell you about it. A favorable approach there will always make the point easier with kids. You don’t have to teach them drills and fab up holsters for them (yet ).
As far as the Doctor goes, some will push it others wont. Our old one asked if there were guns in the house and I struggled to be polite and not lie in front of the kids. So I stated that we were familiar with firearms and firearms safety, ‘how about yourself?” That effectively killed the topic…but I live in a gun friendly town and I think the brief blurb from her end was just something that she had to read. I doubt she really cares.
Just another angle.
Depending on your method of carry, if you carry during the day you use the box at night, being sure that the box is in an accessible area that you can reach easily at night but is not blatantly out in the open to the point that it will draw your kids to it. If you go that route be sure that at night your bedroom door locks the kids out (in case you over sleep).
The most important thing you can take from that and take from the Doctors APA advice is to educate your children on firearms as early as possible. Let them know its Daddy’s/Mommy’s and they should never touch it, and if they see one to tell you about it. A favorable approach there will always make the point easier with kids. You don’t have to teach them drills and fab up holsters for them (yet ).
As far as the Doctor goes, some will push it others wont. Our old one asked if there were guns in the house and I struggled to be polite and not lie in front of the kids. So I stated that we were familiar with firearms and firearms safety, ‘how about yourself?” That effectively killed the topic…but I live in a gun friendly town and I think the brief blurb from her end was just something that she had to read. I doubt she really cares.
Just another angle.
Bear in mind that the American Pediatrics Association while notoriously Anti-gun, is also a vast reference point for a lot of Pediatrics. Some may understand where you are coming from but at the same time do not want to bite the hand that feeds them.
I personally feel that If you have a family and you are not a gun owner, and the law provides for you to be, you are not being as responsible as you should be.
I don't care who this offends. You have a very slim chance of being able to devend yourself during an armed invasion if you do not have a firearm, and are capable of using it against an armed attacker. And if you are one who chooses to leave the lives of your family up to chance, you are not being as responsible as you should be if their lives depend on you.
I don't care who this offends. You have a very slim chance of being able to devend yourself during an armed invasion if you do not have a firearm, and are capable of using it against an armed attacker. And if you are one who chooses to leave the lives of your family up to chance, you are not being as responsible as you should be if their lives depend on you.
I took my kids ther eup until we moved two years ago. I didn't like to old guy as he was very condesending. But my daughter's regualr doctor was fabulaous. I hate the place I take them now but it's so close what can i do.
personal agenda of this individual?
This issue came up maybe a year ago, and my son has had an appointment since and we didn't have to deal with this. I wonder if it is a personal agenda of this individual Dr?
Bill
This issue came up maybe a year ago, and my son has had an appointment since and we didn't have to deal with this. I wonder if it is a personal agenda of this individual Dr?
Bill
No, the American Academy of Pediatrics has a definite agenda. They want background checks and waiting periods.
However, the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry does not, so feel free to patronize their members![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
However, the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry does not, so feel free to patronize their members
rep308
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I was there and told the doctor that I have guns, they are locked up, and she should mind her own business. She said she was required to ask the questions, I didn't ask required by who? Is this a MA State thing?
Years ago when I lived in California a good friend of mine was a deputy sheriff. He had been patrolling near some new construction and noticed a cut chain-link fence around one of the equipment storage areas. He and his partner stopped and entered the area to find a tool building with the lock broken on the door and some noises coming from inside. He was carrying the shotgun from the car, while his partner was armed with his service revolver (yep, that long ago). They waited outside for the thieves to emerge. When the first one came out, his partner covered him with his gun while he cuffed him. All of this was done without any noticeable sound being made. A minute later, as my fried stood behind the now open door (his partner having moved around the corner with the prisoner) the second guy came out carrying a large generator in his arms. When he was outside the door, my friend moved behind him and racked the slide on the Ithaca. At the sound, the guy instantly put both hands as high in the air as he could reach. Gravity, of course, paid absolutely no attention to the sound of the slide, and proceeded to relocate the generator from mid-air to the thief's feet, breaking both of them in the process. Jim always loved telling that story after a drink or two, long after he'd quit the job in disgust over guys he'd arrested being back on the streets before he had a chance to finish all the paperwork.
Ken
A lot of people are such sheep that they take a recommendation from some authority figure (such as the American Academy of Pediatrics) as a divine command. Others will simply invoke some alleged requirement in an attempt to avoid taking responsibility for their own behavior. If there actually were such a requirement, I'd note that a lot of physicians seem to be in violation of it.
By the way, while I too prefer to keep things simple, here's a $50 coupon for anyone interested in a decent biometric pistol case.
Ken
get a HD shotgun and keep it next to your bed or under it with a cabel lock, take the lock off when you go to bed and put it back on in the morning. if your kids are trained in firearm use from a early age they will have no problems.. hiding them and acting like there so taboo is a recipe for disaster.
FYI, that would be against MA law, specifically MGL C140 S131L:
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/140-131l.htm
Also, I know if I had to do this that some night I would forget to unlock it and some morning I would forget to lock it. I prefer a quick opening safe. YMMV.
MaverickNH
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http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/death_stats.html
Here are some numbers.
Just ask the doc why they don't give out literature and warnings in proportion to the risk rate. In which case, they would give out 1 firearms safety brochure out of 50 others.
Or ask why they don't have a clinic in the gang-infested urban city center, where most of the "child" firearms homicides occur. They could be preaching earthquake safety if they applied California data to Massachusetts, but they are smart enough to know that would be seen as stupid.
Here are some numbers.
Just ask the doc why they don't give out literature and warnings in proportion to the risk rate. In which case, they would give out 1 firearms safety brochure out of 50 others.
Or ask why they don't have a clinic in the gang-infested urban city center, where most of the "child" firearms homicides occur. They could be preaching earthquake safety if they applied California data to Massachusetts, but they are smart enough to know that would be seen as stupid.
I can't believe that this state tells you how you can keep your guns in your own home. This is no different than the Heller case. The Heller case also involves the fact that in D.C., even if you own a shotgun to protect your home with you have to keep it unloaded and locked up. That's disgusting, and so is this.
Actually, there are plenty of differences, but that is a topic for a different thread. Here in MA you can keep your gun loaded. It just has to be locked up.
We can argue about whether or not the law is correct, but I just wanted to make sure that people realized that the advice that evan9201 gave was not in accordance with MA law.
Palladin
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as I previously posted in a thread re: Pediatricians
when my now 9yo son was 1yo, we took him a a local Ped for a checkup. after the usual stuff, he starts asking about if we drink, how much, etc. I'm getting a little pissed....as he's writing all this down. Then he asks if there are any guns in the house..."that's none of your F'ing business"...him: 'well, we just want to make sure that any weapons are stored securely and not available to children" me: "again, that's none of your F'ing business"..him: "are your weapons secured properly?" me: (as I stand up and lift my sweatshirt displaying my G23) "yeah, I think it's pretty secure"
he shit a football and that was the end of the questions.....as we're leaving my wife says.."you always have to be a showoff don't you?'
As for the lockbox(s)...one under the bed G30 w/laser...one in the kitchen with a G23.
when my now 9yo son was 1yo, we took him a a local Ped for a checkup. after the usual stuff, he starts asking about if we drink, how much, etc. I'm getting a little pissed....as he's writing all this down. Then he asks if there are any guns in the house..."that's none of your F'ing business"...him: 'well, we just want to make sure that any weapons are stored securely and not available to children" me: "again, that's none of your F'ing business"..him: "are your weapons secured properly?" me: (as I stand up and lift my sweatshirt displaying my G23) "yeah, I think it's pretty secure"
he shit a football and that was the end of the questions.....as we're leaving my wife says.."you always have to be a showoff don't you?'
As for the lockbox(s)...one under the bed G30 w/laser...one in the kitchen with a G23.
When I said that there is no difference I was referring to the fact that the state is telling you how you can keep your gun in your own home and that the Heller case is dealing with the issue that the people of D.C. are being told how to keep their guns in their home as well. The fact that you are being told how to keep your gun in your own home is what is the same and in my opinion is wrong.
Then I gave an example of what is taking place in the Heller case so that we could compare our law with. I don't see what your problem with my post is, I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I never said there was no difference in the speciffic laws.
Then I gave an example of what is taking place in the Heller case so that we could compare our law with. I don't see what your problem with my post is, I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. I never said there was no difference in the speciffic laws.
or you could get one of those finger code safes, i wonder if they make them big enough for a mossberg 500 HD?
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