I'm sure William ( I'll do and create laws as I see fit ) Taylor, chief windbag of Lowell's finest will chime in and grab some much needed press to make himself feel important. And to justify his new Gun restriction policy...
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Gun Traffic Arrest , Tewksbury
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I'm sure William ( I'll do and create laws as I see fit ) Taylor, chief windbag of Lowell's finest will chime in and grab some much needed press to make himself feel important. And to justify his new Gun restriction policy...
cockpitbob
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In MA you need a special license to sell ammo. It used to get talked about a lot here and years ago the few people that posted WTS Ammo got told about it. The NES community seems to have lost its worries about this particular offense.
Not unless the out of state buyer produced a false ID. If I sell to a nonresident, I'm still in the sling if I don't check his DL to verify one way or another. If I get duped by a fake ID, then double shame on them.
This guy is in several Facebook Gun sales groups. If I remember correctly from his posts he was having a hard time and needed cash, I'll see if I can find the posts. Probably was sick of not selling, so took them up on offer, but who knows.
Or last year, the woman from NH who went to the Big E in springfield with her handgun in her purse. She left it someone and notified the security she lost her purse. When they found it, they arrested her for no LTC.
The laws in MA are not slightly different than VT, NH and Me, they are drastically different. I'm never surprised someone from a free state is confused about Ma laws. I was chit chatting with a northern VT gun shop owner last year when I was up there. He thought I was joking about what I told hom about the MA laws. He's never had to deal with them, so he had no idea they were that bad.
Any and all conversations should have ben recorded. That kids lawyer needs to get those ASAP and find out who said what and when. From the sounds of it, they kept asking until they got him there. Did they offer more money which might have swayed him if he's desperate for money, etc.
Sad thing is he's deparate for money but some MA jackass judge is going to stick him with $100k bail so he'll be stuck in jail awaiting trial.
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Lets take a vote :
a. This is a case of government entrapment of a poor law abiding citizen who wandered a few miles south across some arbitrary government defined boundary and was pounced upon by the sinister BATF agents and anti gun Tewksbury police and is subsequently being eviscerated by the left wing Lowell press or ....
b. This is a case of some not very smart young guy from NH buying cheap ammo and guns in his home state and running them across the MA state line to make an easy profit selling the stuff to equally unscrupulous MA residents willing to meet him in hotel rooms and buy firearms for cash while breaking numerous federal and state laws?
Let's not take a vote since the facts are unclear.
C'mon, the guy had three guns. No honest person needs three guns.
That's why they are, can't fix stupid.
You guys are scary. This fact is CLEAR... He was a NH resident , unlicensed in the state of MA and he was selling firearms and ammunition in a MA hotel room.
If you are a NH resident selling guns in a MA hotel room you are either willingly engaged in criminal activity or you should be prohibited from possessing a firearm due to diminished mental capacity.
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That cannot be disputed. However, the circumstances which brought him to that hotel room are still unclear and I think we need more info.
Oh, one more thing...innocent until proven guilty. If he was trafficking then yeah, once they prove that in court then throw the book at him.
I know ignorance of the law is not an acceptable defense but it could just be a case that this guy is ignorant of the laws and crossing state line.
Not an excuse, but leo's could have deliberately taken advantage and enticed this guy into doing something illegal over here that wouldn't be illegal over there.
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But he only was selling 2 of them. So he was looking to be honest with only 1 gun.
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Yeah, he violated the law if those things are true. But do you think he was an arms trafficer or some dope who didn't knw the federal laws and was looking to sell privately.
If he wanted to meet in NH but they kept pushing him to meet in MA, I have major issue with this.
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Boghog1
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Much like the FBI catching terrorist but providing the fake bombs and basically talking people into doing something they would never do on their own. Need the sheep to feel safe and justify the bloated budgets
PaulR
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Agree, but what if the facts come out that he refused to sell them time and time again because he knew it was illegal, then they raised the price to some ungodly number where he was beyond tempted to take the offer? Is this not entrapment?
just asking........
When we have Cops murdering people in cold blood then covering up the crime Or Cops claiming their car was shot at and caught fire, I wouldn't put it past these Millennial COPS to entrap a law abiding citizen to make an example of. The key here is hopefully the kid didn't squeal like a pig ( no punt intended ) when he was brought back to the station without Council present.
The ATF is in a league of its own when it comes to entrapment and setting up otherwise unwitting people. It's not hard to imagine that a person who is born and raised in NH would not understand anything about MA or federal law regarding guns. Hell, if I didn't have to jump through hoops in CT to carry guns I probably would never have known 90% of the stuff I know now.
The fact is growing up in a state that treats guns like atomic bombs is vastly different than a state like NH where you just walk into a store and buy a gun and you can walk outside and carry it around. The only "laws" you'd encounter were
1) are you of legal age
2) can you please fill out this form where you say you aren't a felon before we check if you're a felon.
That's it. So, if you grew up buying guns in NH you'd basically not need to know any laws. Same for ME and VT for basic ownership, especially now that both are const carry.
The fact is growing up in a state that treats guns like atomic bombs is vastly different than a state like NH where you just walk into a store and buy a gun and you can walk outside and carry it around. The only "laws" you'd encounter were
1) are you of legal age
2) can you please fill out this form where you say you aren't a felon before we check if you're a felon.
That's it. So, if you grew up buying guns in NH you'd basically not need to know any laws. Same for ME and VT for basic ownership, especially now that both are const carry.
Boghog1
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http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/wa...-across-the-nation-b99146765z1-234916641.html
Just going to leave this here
Just going to leave this here
PaulR
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I'm beginning to think there's some bad [STRIKE=cops]cops[/STRIKE] err government agencies out there.
I grew up in Maine, didn't leave the state much until I was in college and even then didn't have much interaction with firearms outside of hunting. When I was 18 had someone told me about the gun laws in MA and even the federal no selling to "foreigners" laws I'd have thought they were nuts. If you haven't been exposed to nutty laws, why would you go looking for them? Like the 2.5" knife blade law in Boston, you can walk around all over the place with a 3" blade, why would you think to check Boston to see if they have a 2.5" knife blade restriction? Laws like that are ridiculous, they completely violate the reasonable person test. If a reasonable person was driving from ME to PA could they be expected to know the inner workings of all laws/ordinances in every town and state they will go through? No, that's ridiculous mere possession of ANYTHING should not be punishable if it's not used to commit harm on another person.
You just can't leave it in the vehicle, loaded, when you exit the vehicle.
goodzilla
NES Member
If you have an LTC-A AND the loaded handgun is under your direct control, yes.
When it is not "under your direct control" or if you're trying to use the car as a locked storage device...then that's typically where interpretations start flying.
inkdesigner
NES Member
You can, as long as the loaded handgun is on your person or under your direct control. If not on your person or under your direct control, it must be unloaded and placed in a locked case, truck, or other secure container.
http://www.mass.gov/eopss/firearms-reg-and-laws/frb/frequently-asked-questions.html#transporting
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Not quite. I bet the fed law says "knowingly" there's no affirmative requirement in fed law for someone to check identification. The standard for prohibited persons is also "knowingly" so this would make sense for residency as well. Obviously if the transaction occurs in the wrong state the whole "not knowing" thing goes right out the window.
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