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Which is a different than no guns in the clubhouse. During a class, you are going to have students handling guns. So the instructor needs to ensure that no ammunition is around.Your being too literal. I meant no loaded guns on your person. You did what you felt right.....I get that......doesn't change the fact that the nra policy is no carrying of fire arms on your person during class
I'm pointing this out so readers understand that it's actually common for insteuctors.....even nra instructors......to ask students not to have a gun on them for a class.
Respectfully, is it really “safer” to have students go back to their cars, unnecessarily handle their guns, and leave them for potential theft vs just starting the class with instruction that touching your gun, if you have one, is not allowed?I've done both NRA and Mass Hunter Ed.
The rationale is that if you have novices handling firearms, you have to have a higher level of awareness/caution, than with experienced people. Having a "Sterile" classroom, with no live ammo, increases the safety factor.
Admittedly, the current HE courses generally have MassWildlife-provided dummy guns, but that's not always the case.
If you have 50 students in an HE class, ranging from 14-year-olds to 60+, some with experience, some completely new, (and age is not the deciding factor - my younger son had his NRA Instructor Cert at 13), the simple "Please leave your iron in your car, as well as its food," is a good increase to the safety margin.
My club has no prohibition on carry while on Club property; I know that many of the "Fudd" Trap shooters (myself included) may, or may not, have a handgun while on the line. Other Clubs may vary. We don't care, as long as you're safe.
Bottom line - if you're running a class, run it in the way you see best. If you're taking a class, take it where you feel comfortable.
Yes. Because how do you define "touching"? If I'm appendix carrying, and I have to adjust the holster's position when I sit, or rise, does that count? How about if you're carrying at 4:00, and it's hitting the back of the folding chair? "I wasn't touching it, I was just moving it!"Respectfully, is it really “safer” to have students go back to their cars, unnecessarily handle their guns, and leave them for potential theft vs just starting the class with instruction that touching your gun, if you have one, is not allowed?
It sounds like fudd legacy nonsense to me, but agree you should run your class as you see fit.Yes. Because how do you define "touching"? If I'm appendix carrying, and I have to adjust the holster's position when I sit, or rise, does that count? How about if you're carrying at 4:00, and it's hitting the back of the folding chair? "I wasn't touching it, I was just moving it!"
Not being a d!ck, but if I'm running a class or event, when it comes to safety, I see myself as the arbiter of what's OK, and what is not.
As for the chance of theft, well, at least at my Club, while not zero, the chance is close to it. Is it excessive safety? Maybe. But so is opening and checking a cased gun that was locked, when you are the only one with the key. But, we do it, because history has shown it to be the wise course.
consult with someone who works the desk at a gun store and see how shitty people are handling guns... they are in some cases one step away from the courses lol. General training from NRA is to clear the room for guns and ammo before the class starts. When doing engineering of guns we do the same as it pertains to live ammo and it only moves around the building under lock and key. Its a fairly typical practice.It sounds like fudd legacy nonsense to me, but agree you should run your class as you see fit.
No need, I’ve heard and seen plenty of incidents of bad gun-handling in gun stores - but do any of those stores ask you to leave your gun in your vehicle? Probably not.consult with someone who works the desk at a gun store and see how shitty people are handling guns... they are in some cases one step away from the courses lol. General training from NRA is to clear the room for guns and ammo before the class starts. When doing engineering of guns we do the same as it pertains to live ammo and it only moves around the building under lock and key. Its a fairly typical practice.
I'm sure it was as a result of people handling weapons that were loaded in an unsafe manner. People aren't usually fiddling around with their shit at home depot but I could see someone doing that at a gun club. Most clubs don't want you f***ing around with guns when you aren't on the firing line. Most competitions don't want you running around with a carry pistol if you are shooting a rifle match.No need, I’ve heard and seen plenty of incidents of bad gun-handling in gun stores - but do any of those stores ask you to leave your gun in your vehicle? Probably not.
I’m genuinely trying to understand the logic and how this is any different than gun control mentality. How is the policy of no concealed carry in a gun club any different than one in say, Home Depot or Burger King? The gun club should be much safer if anything because it’s under the watchful eye of a competent instructor.
A classroom situation is much different than people sitting/milling around in a clubhouse.I've done both NRA and Mass Hunter Ed.
The rationale is that if you have novices handling firearms, you have to have a higher level of awareness/caution, than with experienced people. Having a "Sterile" classroom, with no live ammo, increases the safety factor.
Admittedly, the current HE courses generally have MassWildlife-provided dummy guns, but that's not always the case.
If you have 50 students in an HE class, ranging from 14-year-olds to 60+, some with experience, some completely new, (and age is not the deciding factor - my younger son had his NRA Instructor Cert at 13), the simple "Please leave your iron in your car, as well as its food," is a good increase to the safety margin.
My club has no prohibition on carry while on Club property; I know that many of the "Fudd" Trap shooters (myself included) may, or may not, have a handgun while on the line. Other Clubs may vary. We don't care, as long as you're safe.
Bottom line - if you're running a class, run it in the way you see best. If you're taking a class, take it where you feel comfortable.
When I took my initial NRA instructor class with Jon Green at GOAL, about 1/3 of the class was carrying and Jon had us unload in a safe area and leave the ammo on that table during the class. From fuzzy memory I think we also had to show another student that we were clear and empty. So we had the guns on us, but no ammo during class.Respectfully, is it really “safer” to have students go back to their cars, unnecessarily handle their guns, and leave them for potential theft vs just starting the class with instruction that touching your gun, if you have one, is not allowed?
So true and I've had that discussion numerous times. I've witnessed it and it's why I can't work at a gun shop, I have zero tolerance for having a gun pointed at me!!consult with someone who works the desk at a gun store and see how shitty people are handling guns... they are in some cases one step away from the courses lol.
Back when I was in the leadership of a gun club, it took a number of years, and some turnover of the board, before I was able to convince the executive board (elected officers plus board members) to change the club rules to allow concealed carry. As for members messing around with their carry gun anywhere other than the range — we discussed that at length and wrote rules to expressly prohibit it.I'm sure it was as a result of people handling weapons that were loaded in an unsafe manner. People aren't usually fiddling around with their shit at home depot but I could see someone doing that at a gun club. Most clubs don't want you f***ing around with guns when you aren't on the firing line. Most competitions don't want you running around with a carry pistol if you are shooting a rifle match.
Yes. It is.Respectfully, is it really “safer” to have students go back to their cars, unnecessarily handle their guns, and leave them for potential theft vs just starting the class with instruction that touching your gun, if you have one, is not allowed?
A teacher I've known for a while was sort of the opinion that I'd the "rule" bothered you, for the class material you probably shouldn't be armed. I'd the rule didn't "bother" you, he didn't care whether you were armed or not.I've done both NRA and Mass Hunter Ed.
The rationale is that if you have novices handling firearms, you have to have a higher level of awareness/caution, than with experienced people. Having a "Sterile" classroom, with no live ammo, increases the safety factor.
Admittedly, the current HE courses generally have MassWildlife-provided dummy guns, but that's not always the case.
If you have 50 students in an HE class, ranging from 14-year-olds to 60+, some with experience, some completely new, (and age is not the deciding factor - my younger son had his NRA Instructor Cert at 13), the simple "Please leave your iron in your car, as well as its food," is a good increase to the safety margin.
My club has no prohibition on carry while on Club property; I know that many of the "Fudd" Trap shooters (myself included) may, or may not, have a handgun while on the line. Other Clubs may vary. We don't care, as long as you're safe.
Bottom line - if you're running a class, run it in the way you see best. If you're taking a class, take it where you feel comfortable.
Please DM me his name so I can be sure to never take his class. Thanks in advance!A teacher I've known for a while was sort of the opinion that I'd the "rule" bothered you, for the class material you probably shouldn't be armed. I'd the rule didn't "bother" you, he didn't care whether you were armed or not.
The "rule" is simple for my club. "Loaded fire arms may only be handled at a firing line". This puts it in plain English that if your carrying......keep it in the holster unless your at the line. Done. Like most clubs, gun shops etc we just don't want people handling loaded guns at random places about the property. Funny thing is....99 percent of club members would never handle a loaded holsters fire arm other than at the line anyway.....it is pure common sense. But for the 1 percent that are total retards......that would play with a fire arm in the parking lot or clubhouse......of course we have to have rules.Back when I was in the leadership of a gun club, it took a number of years, and some turnover of the board, before I was able to convince the executive board (elected officers plus board members) to change the club rules to allow concealed carry. As for members messing around with their carry gun anywhere other than the range — we discussed that at length and wrote rules to expressly prohibit it.
Change can be hard when dealing with organizations. It can take years and repeated discussions going over the same ground to persuade people. And even then, sometimes you can’t change things until some people leave. It’s hard work. So you can get involved and work for change, or just bitch about it.
Neither difficult nor expensive to be NRA and state-certified as an Instructor.I'll let the rest of you take this thread over. I've said all I needed to say about this topic. I'll be bending over and taking it just like everything else gun related in these shitty times.
Booze bar?No guns in the clubhouse? At a gun club?
I guess before the Bruen decision few members carried concealed, but that's going to change.
Not any reasonable reasons.
It really sort of backs up what Hippie said.Please DM me his name so I can be sure to never take his class. Thanks in advance!
When I took my initial NRA instructor class with Jon Green at GOAL, about 1/3 of the class was carrying and Jon had us unload in a safe area and leave the ammo on that table during the class. From fuzzy memory I think we also had to show another student that we were clear and empty. So we had the guns on us, but no ammo during class.