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An AK -- they never jam, and are a reliable rifle in every continent of the world.
No mention of an H&K on anyone's list.
That makes me sad.
Ok, interesting lists...... but what would be your essentials lists on a budget of $2000? A couple of your "essentials" lists have $2000 in 2 guns!! Unless you can convince my wife and twin boys that I "must" have a S&W 500 and an AR.....
I'm not a particular fan of hi-cap pistols just for the sake of hi-cap. Buy a gun because you love the way it shoots. I love my Beretta 92 FS and I lust after a Browning Hi-Power, the hi-cap has nothing to do with either. They're just excellent, fun to shoot pistols.
No mention of an H&K on anyone's list.
That makes me sad.
Ok, for $2k you can get a lot actually.
1. 10/22 or old bolt action .22 -$200
2. Ruger Mini-14 (excellent 5.56 entry level gun, very customizable) used $550-$600
3. Used 1911 $550-600 (you may have to shop a bit but you can find one at this price)
4. Either a Ruger Security Six or S&W 626 The Ruger is around $350-400 the 686 more like $550
That gives you a plinker rifle, decent varmint/zombie or even deer gun (yes people DO take deer with .223) a 1911, which IMO everyone should have and a very good wheel gun.
I'm not a particular fan of hi-cap pistols just for the sake of hi-cap. Buy a gun because you love the way it shoots. I love my Beretta 92 FS and I lust after a Browning Hi-Power, the hi-cap has nothing to do with either. They're just excellent, fun to shoot pistols.
Much to your chagrin, my P7M8 is on -my- list.
-Mike
An excellent idea.Just a list of solid, smart, useful firearms a newbie might aspire to own.
I won't argue that at all - my point was that it was the CATEGORY of firearm that was important, not the particular arm. Having a C&R would help with finding, say, a Browning that you could get here in the PRM, though. A high-cap 9 is a good thing - less expensive to feed than a .45, so you can practice more with it, got a lot of capacity in case there are a LOT of zombies, etc.for someone in MA who can't get their hands on a CZ or a browning i think the beretta is an excellent choice.
Why? Just another caliber to buy, for me. I have a main battle rifle already - an M1 Garand, and I'll stack it up against any AK for reliability and it'll beat them for accuracy, range and power. Just because YOU like them doesn't mean that everyone needs one. Modify that statement to a "main battle rifle or carbine" and I'll agree with you.Things I think you missed:
Everyone should own AT LEAST one AK - I used to quote price with this statement but those days are gone.
Can't disagree with the sentiment there. The Mosin is cheaper, as is the ammo, but I like the Enfield better just because. But a bolt action MBR is a good thing, if not a complete necessity.A bolt or lever gun - even if just a Mosin or Enfield or other old workhorse, automatics aren't infallible and it's good to have a back up if/when the poop hits the pin wheel.
Again, no argument here. If you're older, smaller, or just plain don't like recoil, going with a 20 gauge or a Knoxx compensating stock of some flavor is a good way to have your shotgun and enjoy shooting it, too.A decent shotty - Think Mossy 500 or Rem 870
Again, why? We covered shotguns already. The Saiga is a specialty arm. I'm sure it's fun to own, but hardly necessary. I've never found it necessary to take out an entire flock of geese at one time.Lastly every shooter with most of the basics covered should make it their mission to acquire the ultimate evil black killing machine, the Saiga 12 gauge Kalashnikov. No collection is complete without one, by far the most fun for you $ in firearms right now. But hey YMMV
Maybe not first, but certainly one of the first. A .22 rifle IS a necessity, and the 10/22 is a damn fine arm with about a metric ton of accessories available for it to equip it any way you want it. Why do you think that Project Appleseed uses it as the base for the Liberty Training Rifle?I always have and still do maintain that every newbies first purchase should be a Ruger 10/22.
We're leaving the exotic shit for you, Fooped. Most of us don't need one or care to buy a gun from a company that hates it's civilian customers. The OP was talking categories of firearm, not really specific arms (well, with a few exceptions - he's prejudiced in favor of Ruger rimfires, and I can understand and agree with him on those, actually). The H&Ks are darned expensive and really, I can't think of any reason that anything that HK makes is NECESSARY. Fun, maybe, but necessary?No mention of an H&K on anyone's list.
We're leaving the exotic shit for you, Fooped. Most of us don't need one or care to buy a gun from a company that hates it's civilian customers. The OP was talking categories of firearm, not really specific arms (well, with a few exceptions - he's prejudiced in favor of Ruger rimfires, and I can understand and agree with him on those, actually). The H&Ks are darned expensive and really, I can't think of any reason that anything that HK makes is NECESSARY. Fun, maybe, but necessary?
Is a Lotus or a Lamborghini a necessity? Nope. Fun? Sure! But not a necessity.
Of course they don't hate you! You're their only customer in MA. OK, maybe I'm just reading too many people bemoaning their lack of customer support. (and you'll notice that I haven't mentioned any Para stuff, either - while a P14 is nice, I don't think it's a "necessity"... and I'm reading too many horror stories lately about THEIR lack of support, too. )I can tell you this for free:
H&K doesn't hate me, that I know. They've been quite helpful for the very small amount of calls I've needed to make to them.
And if you don't want to patronize places that "hate" their client base, you're going to have a fairly small list of places to shop.
BTW Ross, I threw out the "No H&Ks on the list(s)" as a joke. No need to get all bent out of shape.
30 rounds+ instead of 8. No further debate needed. But I'll go on, Of the accepted "Modern" main battle rifles it is accurate enough (Minute of socialist to 300 yards), extremely reliable, and simple enough for a 12 year old to maintain with little or no training. IMNSHO the finest SHTF rifle on the market today.Why? Just another caliber to buy, for me. I have a main battle rifle already - an M1 Garand, and I'll stack it up against any AK for reliability and it'll beat them for accuracy, range and power. Just because YOU like them doesn't mean that everyone needs one. Modify that statement to a "main battle rifle or carbine" and I'll agree with you.Originally Posted by Ripach
Things I think you missed:
Everyone should own AT LEAST one AK - I used to quote price with this statement but those days are gone.
Originally Posted by Ripach
Lastly every shooter with most of the basics covered should make it their mission to acquire the ultimate evil black killing machine, the Saiga 12 gauge Kalashnikov. No collection is complete without one, by far the most fun for you $ in firearms right now. But hey YMMV
Again, why? We covered shotguns already. The Saiga is a specialty arm. I'm sure it's fun to own, but hardly necessary. I've never found it necessary to take out an entire flock of geese at one time.
Definitely add some variant of an AK-47 to the must have list, while you're at it, make sure you've got the AK of handguns...Glocks of course...