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Fatal Shooting in Worcester by Westborough LTC holder UPDATE: Guilty of Involuntary Manslaughter! 4-7 Year Sentence with 77 Days Credit.
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mibro
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It's tough to swallow this when you're young but the gold standard of self defense is to run away, drive off, beat feet, make yourself scarce. Now I'm old I'm totally comfortable with this.
LOL c'mon- I'm calling BS. Some guy like that without a weapon smashes the Taco or Westy and you're not jumping out to beat his ass so you can feel it with your bare hands?
That's the Honey Farms by the Boynton, Sole, and WPI. Not the worst of Worcester.
Personally I would not have pulled a trigger in that scenario and as I see it thus far, looks like a chikenshit move to me.
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This is what law-abiding people do. The topic of not talking to the police has never come up. Someone taught this poor schmuck some nonsense about self defense.
I would almost go so far as to say it's pointless to carry in Mass. unless you're a criminal.
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We just don't know it yet...
I agree with you to a point. The guy in the picture looks like a small stature person…maybe 5’5”? If someone that can break a window with their fist is coming at me and I’m trapped…I might be tempted to at least brandish if I’m trapped in my car and I’m THAT little.
If I’m out of my taco, that changes things completely and no I would never draw on someone if I had a chance to deescalate or touch (beat) his ass
Now, if it was my WESTY, that dudes getting a beat down BEFORE I shoot his ass just for f***ing with my van!
That’s one of the neighborhoods in Worcester that you don’t THINK is that bad, but it’s pretty bad. The next major street over is Elm and I’m pretty sure that’s the end of piedmont. Kind of irrelevant though now that I read the story and neither of them were just human gong out there.
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Close. Piedmont Street ends two streets over on Pleasant Street, but regardless, the area of Highland Street is a mix of WPI kids and crap. You get off Highland Street heading towards Elm and you have some sketchy areas. Becker College used to be over there, which probably helped to keep things a little more under control, but they're gone.
Reality is that the entire city has become a bigger cesspool than it was before. The rag of a newspaper Telegram & Gazette works hard with the city council to depict Worcester as "Mayberry with a new ballpark" Hell, I think three restaurants in the Canal District announced they're closing! Green Street, Millbury Street, the Common, all strewn with homeless people, drunk or ODing, aggressively panhandling. Can't imagine it would be good for business.
I work dead in the middle of Main South, so I'm able to get a front seat view to the shenanigans that go on there and that area, but never make the paper. Shootings, stabbings, etc. I know of several fatal and near fatal shootings that didn't get reported, as well as a failed hit on some shitbag inside of a gym!!
Reality is that the entire city has become a bigger cesspool than it was before. The rag of a newspaper Telegram & Gazette works hard with the city council to depict Worcester as "Mayberry with a new ballpark" Hell, I think three restaurants in the Canal District announced they're closing! Green Street, Millbury Street, the Common, all strewn with homeless people, drunk or ODing, aggressively panhandling. Can't imagine it would be good for business.
I work dead in the middle of Main South, so I'm able to get a front seat view to the shenanigans that go on there and that area, but never make the paper. Shootings, stabbings, etc. I know of several fatal and near fatal shootings that didn't get reported, as well as a failed hit on some shitbag inside of a gym!!
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I'll guess that he found himself out of his depth and out of ideas in a fast-moving situation which was escalating in violence, where the other fellow was acting, and he was re-acting, and he had no well-thought out strategy except to pull a gun and use it.
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Interesting.
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And, thanks to Commonwealth v. Adjutant, admissible by the defense.
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MFS Firearms used to have a class called Judgemental Tactics. Robert McQuarrie was the instructor. He was excellent. It was scenario-based training with video and laser pistols. It was a fantastic class--I used to wait for the Black Friday sales and bought a seat for everybody I know who had a gun. You find yourself in a scenario that is unfolding, and you quickly learn how LITTLE you know and how poorly you have wargamed your responses.
It has disappeared from their roster. I wish they'd offer it again.
It has disappeared from their roster. I wish they'd offer it again.
Details are everything and we don't have them, there is also a discrepancy between what the article says the shoots said and what the cop said in the statement. Had a gun in his car v. had a gun in his possession. This matters because we don't know if he was sitting in his car when he fired.
If it went down one way. verbal altercation and shooter was either in his car or got into his car, with the doors closed and the windows up. The other guy smashes the window, and the shooter can reasonably assume the shootee is coming in after him. But even this may not make it a good shoot because in MA they will expect that you will flee if able. So the car would need to be boxed in or at least not running and not in gear.
On the other hand. If they were both outside the car and the gun was in the shooters possession. They argue and the shootee smashed the car window. That's going to be an issue. A smashed window of a car you are not in is going to be a hard sell as self defence, but maybe.
But if the altercation and smashed window happend and then the shooter got the gun out of the car, then he's f'ed.
What it comes down to is there isn't enough information to know anything.
And the shooter should have stayed with "he attacked me, I want my lawyer, I refuse to answer question at this time".
If only there was an article in the MA constitution that guaranteed the right to use arms to protect yourself AND you property........
If it went down one way. verbal altercation and shooter was either in his car or got into his car, with the doors closed and the windows up. The other guy smashes the window, and the shooter can reasonably assume the shootee is coming in after him. But even this may not make it a good shoot because in MA they will expect that you will flee if able. So the car would need to be boxed in or at least not running and not in gear.
On the other hand. If they were both outside the car and the gun was in the shooters possession. They argue and the shootee smashed the car window. That's going to be an issue. A smashed window of a car you are not in is going to be a hard sell as self defence, but maybe.
But if the altercation and smashed window happend and then the shooter got the gun out of the car, then he's f'ed.
What it comes down to is there isn't enough information to know anything.
And the shooter should have stayed with "he attacked me, I want my lawyer, I refuse to answer question at this time".
If only there was an article in the MA constitution that guaranteed the right to use arms to protect yourself AND you property........
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I agree 100% and I hope I would have the presence of mind to do that. 99% of the time I would. However, I’m only human. I just try to avoid people as much as possible
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This has all the markings of a plea deal down the road. The more "sub optimal" statements made, the less currency the defendant's attorney has to offer in the negotiations. The courts have chipped away at Miranda so one needs to politely and clearly invoke both the right to remain silent and the right to counsel from the offset. There was one case where the "he stopped talking when we asked about....." was considered by SCOTUS to be admissible. SALINAS v. TEXAS
well the police station only a few blocks from the honeyfarm, shooter being stupid by pulling his gun, if it me ill take a picture of guy then call the cops, cheaper that way.
I call bullshit on breaking the window with his hand. Defense Atty should bring in the same window (from another car) and ask the Prosecutor or cops testifying, to demonstrate breaking it with their hand! Would be another "If the glove doesn't fit" moment.
what you do 4 work in main south if you dont mind me asking. i used to live in main south , lot of actions in the area everynigh, the whole city is even worst now. let hope i can sell my house in a few years and move to a safer area. the reason this killing made it on the paper because it fit the antigun agenda of the left (white gun owner shot some one)
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