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BBBAAHHHHH, BAAAAHHHHHIIRC The law requires the FRB idiots to provide the PD's with paper FA10's and does not provide for an electronic system. So again. Why are you folks allowing them to subvert the law?
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BBBAAHHHHH, BAAAAHHHHHIIRC The law requires the FRB idiots to provide the PD's with paper FA10's and does not provide for an electronic system. So again. Why are you folks allowing them to subvert the law?
Ok so what do we do about it. I been trying to draft up a letter to send off to? Other than. The director of the chsb who else should I write to and how should it be sent.BBBAAHHHHH, BAAAAHHHHH
Ok so what do we do about it. I been trying to draft up a letter to send off to? Other than. The director of the chsb who else should I write to and how should it be sent.
Maybe we can do a nes group letter send off so they are flooded all at once.
maybe one of the lawers here on nes can draft a letter we can print and sign then mail.
From: inerlogic
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:40 AM
To: FRB EFA10 (CHS)
Subject: your registration system is broken.
Importance: High
tried registering a C&R firearm and when it came time to print a record of the transaction the print button brought me to a blank page. i've used the registration form before on this PC and printed with no problem.
ticket number for the transaction is: XXXXXXX
URL for the printed copy is:
https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/etc...
i want a copy of this form emailed to me for my records so i can show that this firearm transaction is registered...
From: "EFA10, FRB (CHS)" <[email protected]>
To: inerlogic
Subject: your registration system is broken.
Date: Tue, Oct 30, 2012 10:05
This is not an error with the EFA10, but an error with your version of Adobe.
I’ll be happy to send you a copy of the form, but will need the following information:
Full name
Date of birth
LTC or FID card number
Driver’s license # (for verification)
Date of transaction
Regards,
M.D.
Supervisor of the Firearms Records Bureau
Seems my version of adobe acrobat which has worked in the past is not the issue, the issue is with the poor quality coders you have working on the back end of your illegal registration scheme....
Iner D. Logic III
DD MMM YYYY
LTC: XXXXXXXXX
LIC: SXXXXXXXX
25 OCT 2012
making friends at the FRB
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my version of "Adobe"
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ETA: i found her facebook page... so i send her a PM on FB asking if she found my form yet?
Clearly you incompetently installed the Adobe. Or maybe she is an Air-head.
The point is, anything that makes life just a little more miserable for Miss Turbo and her pals is good.
OOhh, look at you.. soooo smart and oh so clever...
I didn't read through this thread's entire 51 pages of joy (sorry for that). I have just one question; why does GOAL recommend we not use the online form for registering firearms transactions? Sure seems a lot easier than hunting down paper forms.
I didn't read through this thread's entire 51 pages of joy (sorry for that). I have just one question; why does GOAL recommend we not use the online form for registering firearms transactions? Sure seems a lot easier than hunting down paper forms.
From an IT standpoint, when it rolled out it set off bells and whistles to any correctly configured browser that indicated that it was not setup by competent web programmers and posed potential, serious, risks to any user of said system to continue while ignoring those risks.I didn't read through this thread's entire 51 pages of joy (sorry for that). I have just one question; why does GOAL recommend we not use the online form for registering firearms transactions? Sure seems a lot easier than hunting down paper forms.
I didn't read through this thread's entire 51 pages of joy (sorry for that). I have just one question; why does GOAL recommend we not use the online form for registering firearms transactions? Sure seems a lot easier than hunting down paper forms.
and given turbo's post - add another clown.It's a dolphin.
And a Muppet.
I didn't read through this thread's entire 51 pages of joy (sorry for that). I have just one question; why does GOAL recommend we not use the online form for registering firearms transactions? Sure seems a lot easier than hunting down paper forms.
porpoise - dolphin... still a fish
Ugh.. where to begin..
- From a technical standpoint it's a poorly designed system that's insecure and faulty on many levels. It exposes everyone involved with potential data corruption or theft or deliberate mis-insertion of data. That can mean that your information could be stolen, or that the state could think incorrectly that you've sold more than four guns a year (outside the legal limit) or that you failed to register a transaction you were supposed to. So, it doesn't work.
- From a legal standpoint, the law says you have to inform the FRB *in writing*, on a form provided by the FRB, and you have to sign the form. That's impossible with the online form.
- From a civil rights standpoint, it's not constitutional to limit a right to only those with means. The state has been very stingy with the paper forms, essentially forcing those who don't have a stash into using the eFA10; which requires a new enough computer to run new enough software, and an internet connection. It further limits even those with both to doing transfers only in places where they have those. If you have a wireless card for your laptop you can meet someone at a club or something, but if you don't, you're forced to meet someone at your house or theirs. Those are unreasonable restrictions on a civil right. The paper form (which also has problems, it's not "OK" either) at least could be filled out with a pen in a parking lot, club, back alley, cabin in the woods, whatever.
GOAL's objections only address the first bullet I believe. Many here (myself included) think nobody should use the eFA10, for the above reasons and because every time you use it, it's another data point the FRB can use to say, "Look how many people used the online system! We don't need to print paper forms anymore." At which point we'll be forced to use the faulty, unconstitutional online one, or simply stop complying with the transaction registration laws entirely.
The state has been stingy with the paper forms, they're increasingly difficult to get. Once they're gone, all it takes is an "accident" at the FRB so their web server stops working, and face to face transactions become de-facto criminalized.
- Even the paper forms end up in the same database. ANY database is hackable and since the police can access it from their stations, someone could possibly break into it/damage the data/create data/steal info.
State wants "paperless" records across the board (e.g. file your taxes online, pay your bills online, renew your DL online, etc.) so they won't be sympathetic to our issues . . .
and yes, each of these involves risk of database hacking and stealing identities!
Stealing information from a read only database isn't any harder than stealing it from a read-write database. Absolutely our personal data is at greater risk today than it was.
Thanks Len, good response, appreciate it.
- I also believe that FRB attempted to get local PDs on board to hand out hard-copy FA-10s, but many just don't want to be bothered and refuse to stock the forms or just throw them out when they receive them. Not much FRB can do about it and GOAL can't either unless they have a "mole" inside who can testify to what is being done in each PD!
Bullshit. The FRB can go back to mailing them directly to individuals who request them.
This from Jason directly . . .
They did mail them to us upon request until Jason saw people on NES bragging about scooping a stash of forms! FRB was paying for the forms out of a continually diminishing budget (cuts each year) and it pissed him off, so he stopped sending to individuals.
Just reporting what I was told . . .