Dartmouth College student not allowed to protect herself from stalker

[KodiakFan24]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/0...er-may-drop-out-over-schools-anti-gun-policy/

I'll be the first to say it: concealed means...something. Can't quite remember how it goes.

 

[exo]

Not to blame the victim... but how does the guy know how to find her? Maybe she is a little too easy going with the FaceBook etc.?

That aside, gun free zones are idiotic and only words on signs and paper.

But we certainly do everything we possibly can to make all our students feel safe.

As long as they "feel safe" without actually being safe...

 

[KodiakFan24]

Not to blame the victim... but how does the guy know how to find her? Maybe she is a little too easy going with the FaceBook etc.?

True, but crazies gonna crazy.

 

[StevieP]

why not at least get pepper spray?

It's not a gun, but it's at least something...

 

[MA_Shooter]

Better the get kicked out of school than sent home in a box.

 

[soloman02]

If the wave is good this year, you will likely see a change to RSA 159 telling the public universities and colleges in NH to "go screw" on the issue of restricting citizens with P&R licenses from being able to carry and thus defend themselves.

Dartmouth is private so they can still create a "gun free zone" if they want to continue to be dumb.

 

[Horrible]

“Many people don't know that current federal law allows criminals convicted of misdemeanor stalking crimes to legally buy and possess guns,” said Erika Soto Lamb, a spokeswoman for Everytown For Gun Safety. “This is a real problem. A study of incidents in 10 major U.S. cities found that nearly nine in 10 attempted murders of women involved at least one incident of stalking in the year before the attempted murder.”

How the hell did this conversation get turned into the stalker being able to get a gun? WTF does this have to do with this case? Did the guy that stalked this girl try and get a gun? Have a gun?

I guess the libs are ok if she gets raped and beaten to death or stabbed to death Amy Lord style? As long a gun isn't involved on either side

I guess that is the tactics that they employ to try and change the conversation. Should know that by now.

 

[Varmint]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/0...er-may-drop-out-over-schools-anti-gun-policy/

I'll be the first to say it: concealed means...something. Can't quite remember how it goes.

It seems odd that all the mass shootings seem to be occurring in gun-free zones. College campuses, Ft. Hood etc.

Strange coincidence I guess.

 

[KodiakFan24]

It seems odd that all the mass shootings seem to be occurring in gun-free zones. College campuses, Ft. Hood etc.

Strange coincidence I guess.

clearly their "shelter in place" alerts need some work...

 

[ToddDubya]

Woolrich says Dartmouth’s Department of Safety and Security told her that instead of carrying a gun, she should call campus security and arrange for an escort if she felt unsafe after dark. But she says she was often asked to justify her requests when she called, and security officers gave her a hard time for calling often.

Call campus safety every single time you go from place to place and demand an escort. Document when they refuse or give a hard time. If they deny you the right to defend yourself, they're claiming they will be there to protect you. Take advantage.

 

[Horrible]

I guess that it is not a war on women if it is waged by a liberal in support of a liberal cause? Or is it just a war on women when it comes to free contraception and the a-word?

 

[Palladin]

a product of California society, who suddenly realizes the usefulness of the 2A.

if this were my kid, it never would have made the papers and she'd be carrying a 442 everywhere.

concealed is concealed. tried by 12, rather than carried by 6.

 

[mattyw]

I read this far

“It’s absolutely unfair,” Woolrich said about her attempts to have the school make an exception to its weapons ban

so its unfair she doesn't get special treatment, not that the whole thing is unfair to anyone. She should get it, but she obviously doesn't

 

[Prepper]

why not at least get pepper spray?

It's not a gun, but it's at least something...

Isn't that banned too, or is that only MA schools? Living so long in MA makes me assume the worst.

 

[Pete85]

Isn't that banned too, or is that only MA schools? Living so long in MA makes me assume the worst.

IANAL, but I think with the most recent gun control bill that MA passed last week, pepper spray is no longer banned in MA schools. It was removed from the definition of ammunition, which was the reason it was previously banned on school property. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Colleges can still make their own rules though.

 

[PaulR]

yea she's cute, not stalker cute though.

My solution would be to lock the guy in remote control 10,000 volt underwear......and hand the remote over to her. Problem solved.

 

[mattyw]

IANAL, but I think with the most recent gun control bill that MA passed last week, pepper spray is no longer banned in MA schools. It was removed from the definition of ammunition, which was the reason it was previously banned on school property. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Colleges can still make their own rules though.

most schools and universities ban it specifically by name or "chemical spray", so unless they undo that it would still be prohibited regardless of the law

 

[Vermonster]

It's worse for Ms Woolrich than just not being able to carry on school property. Dartmouth College policy prohibits students from having any gun in the town of Hanover where the school is located unless it is stored in the security office.

If she carried, she'd be better armed than Dartmouth's security officers who do not.

 

[exo]

It's worse for Ms Woolrich than just not being able to carry on school property. Dartmouth College policy prohibits students from having any gun in the town of Hanover where the school is located unless it is stored in the security office.

If she carried, she'd be better armed than Dartmouth's security officers who do not.

Is that policy just for students living on campus?

 

[Arlo39]

Typical liberal private college. When she is found dead in the woods of Hanover the college will blame her for it.

 

[Vermonster]

Is that policy just for students living on campus?

Nope:

No student may possess or use a firearm, archery equipment, hunting knife or weapons of any type, and corresponding supplies, in Hanover or its environs without a registration receipt for weapon storage, issued by the College Proctor, Department of Safety and Security. Firearms, including rifles, shotguns, air guns, and gas-powered guns, and all ammunition or hand-loading equipment and supplies for same, must be stored in the gun room at the Department of Safety and Security. This applies to students living on or off-campus. Weapons of any type, and corresponding supplies, are not allowed in any College building or in any student residence in Hanover.

 

[exo]

Nope:

No student may possess or use a firearm, archery equipment, hunting knife or weapons of any type, and corresponding supplies, in Hanover or its environs without a registration receipt for weapon storage, issued by the College Proctor, Department of Safety and Security. Firearms, including rifles, shotguns, air guns, and gas-powered guns, and all ammunition or hand-loading equipment and supplies for same, must be stored in the gun room at the Department of Safety and Security. This applies to students living on or off-campus. Weapons of any type, and corresponding supplies, are not allowed in any College building or in any student residence in Hanover.

Wow. I guess if I was a student in a position to go there, I'd either reconsider or keep my mouth shut.

 

[josh2600]

"Some experts say the solution isn’t to put guns in the hands of potential victims, but to keep them out of the hands of stalkers."


I am now dumber, having read that.




“On one hand, I understand her fears, but I don’t believe that any student should have a gun. Data shows that those who own a gun for protection, that they [the guns] are more likely to be used on themselves or a loved one."

Do they just parrot that bullshit, or does that data really exist somewhere? Like even if it's biased data that they just use to further their agenda, where the hell is it?

 

[exo]

"Some experts say the solution isn’t to put guns in the hands of potential victims, but to keep them out of the hands of stalkers."


I am now dumber, having read that.

Some experts are dumber than a bag of hammers.

 

[Quiet]

most schools and universities ban it specifically by name or "chemical spray", so unless they undo that it would still be prohibited regardless of the law

Ya, but I'd guess one is a firearms violation and the other is a misdemeanor trespass or school discipline. Just sayin'

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“On one hand, I understand her fears, but I don’t believe that any student should have a gun. Data shows that those who own a gun for protection, that they [the guns] are more likely to be used on themselves or a loved one."

Yeah, suicide is more likely than a DGU. And?

 

[josh2600]

Ya, but I'd guess one is a firearms violation and the other is a misdemeanor trespass or school discipline. Just sayin'

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Yeah, suicide is more likely than a DGU. And?

ahhh, I honestly misread that as them saying that a gun is more likely to be taken from a person by a bad guy and used against that person, that old gem.

 

[JackOfAllTrades]

IANAL, but I think with the most recent gun control bill that MA passed last week, pepper spray is no longer banned in MA schools. It was removed from the definition of ammunition, which was the reason it was previously banned on school property. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Colleges can still make their own rules though.

I would like to think that, but I am not sure that is what happened...

First of all, did the governor sign the bill yet? Not that I think he won't, but until he does nothing has changed.

So, when he signs it..

As i read it, pepper spray is not longer ammunition, but is now a "self defense spray" which seems to have all the same restrictions as it had before. Although you don't have to have an FID to posess pepper spray, if you wouldn't qualify for an FID you can't have pepper spray. Also, under 209A you have to give up your pepper spray as well.

No modifications were made to 269 10j, so the real question is does this new "defensive spray" qualify under the definition of "dangerous weapon"?

Theoretically, 269 10j makes no mention of ammunition, so unless ammunition is on its own considered a dangerous weapon, there should be no problem with pepper spray in any case. I suspect there is case law that says otherwise, but that isn't how it looks to me. Someone please correct me if I am wrong on this one.

So assuming that there is case law or some other clarifying information out there that puts pepper spray into the "dangerous weapon" category, the changes made by S.2284 wouldn't do anything to change that.

My opinion is a) nothing is signed, so nothing has yet changed, b) even when it does, the parts that make it a problem in schools was not changed so we still lose.

Is there a professional in the house that might better explain this to us?

 

[Mr.E]

I'd still carry in that situation.
She is obviously on her own here. The school "security" can't offer 24/7 protection so time to take matters into your own hands. This guys is obviously nutso about this girl and we've seen these cases before (Molly Bish ring a bell) and you never know what the hell they are going to do.

If she shoots him on campus I hope she can drag the body off campus and then claim self-defense.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Theoretically, 269 10j makes no mention of ammunition, so unless ammunition is on its own considered a dangerous weapon,

Dicta from the SJC concludes that ammo is banned under 269-10j.

 

[Len-2A Training]

IANAL, but I think with the most recent gun control bill that MA passed last week, pepper spray is no longer banned in MA schools. It was removed from the definition of ammunition, which was the reason it was previously banned on school property. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. Colleges can still make their own rules though.

most schools and universities ban it specifically by name or "chemical spray", so unless they undo that it would still be prohibited regardless of the law

Nothing in 269-10 is changed by the current bill. That is the law that colleges have used successfully against students possessing OC on campus. That in addition to being expelled weigh heavily on those spending $30-50K/year to get a college education.

There is no real good solution here. It would take 269-10 to be changed to PROHIBIT OC from being categorized as an "other weapon" wrt criminal charges, then you only have to deal with school bans. Misuse of a shoe is a crime, there never was a need to ban misuse of OC! ABDW will always apply if someone uses it without justification.