dwarven1
Lonely Mountain Arms
I hope I am wrong and Jack is right.
Well, we can agree on that!!
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I hope I am wrong and Jack is right.
I haven't seen a C&R vendor make an exception on ammo for MA C&R holders.
As in order firearms that are not on the list, and doing it through their C&R, but that were not C&R eligible, hence going around the list.
Why did they purge the kitchen table FFLs? Not the reason stated, but the real reason? Because they were getting privileges that private citizens weren't getting.
I would be highly surprised if MA government wonks were happy with people being able to potentially circumvent the local crap system here including ammo buys, etc.
Don't get your panties in a twist, guys. Remember that when you buy any FFL, you agree, for better or worse, to get into bed with the feds. I have had 01 and 07 audits which went well because my books and inventory were in order. That's what they want. They don't want to discover issues that will make work for them. Read the regs and conform. Last year I had the 07 audit and was told that they were doing manufacturers at the time. The inspector told me that they had just done S&W. 10 inspectors, 4 days, 85,000 serial numbers. Yours won't take that long. Now is probably the time to do 03's. Jack.
Do we have to keep invoices?
I think that the "flushing" that LenS was talking about was when they purged the so-called "kitchen table" FFLs so that there were fewer FFLs in MA by using that "business premises" crap.
As in order firearms that are not on the list, and doing it through their C&R, but that were not C&R eligible, hence going around the list.
I would be highly surprised if MA government wonks were happy with people being able to potentially circumvent the local crap system here including ammo buys, etc.
Typical MA crap.So, my thinking is that EOPS/CHSB/etc. may not be too happy with the rise of 03s out there and may have requested BATFE to check to see if they could reduce that number by auditing the holders. Wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if this was the motivation.
Yes, you can return the license with a note that you are ceasing your collecting activities under the license.
You'll also be doing exactly what Coakley wants you to do...
this 'bound book', is it a particular book you have to order? if so where do i get it? or do you just make your own record keeping book? im kinda confused when it comes to this. i havent bought any c&r's yet, but i was under the impression everything i needed was in my atf 'welcoming' packet which i recieved shortly after my license arrived. any info on this would be great.
I'll defer to the opinions of those who haven't had an inspection since their insights are obviously much more accurate than those of someone who has been inspected within the past 24 hours. Here is a patented Scrivener eye roll for you.
I wasn't saying that it was specifically driven by Coakley. What I'm saying is that she would love for C&R holders to drop like flies because they don't want to deal with paperwork.
But was she hot? And did she wear jackboots?the inspector was an incredibly good actress.
But was she hot? And did she wear jackboots?
ATF has an "out of business" division, although I don't remember if that's what they call it. You have to send your bound book to them if you give up your license. You also have to close out the disposition of each acquisition by noting that you transfered the weapon to yourself. The ATF keeps those records.
You can buy them, you can do them as an electronic record, you can download a blank and print out pages yourself.
Tell me, do you know ANY dealer that will sell a non-C&R eligible firearm to an 03 FFL holder? I sure don't. I tend to doubt that there are enough sales like that to make it worth BATF's time to go on a wild-goose chase like that.
Compliance inspections are a condition of licensing, so anyone that has a C&R should keep their records in order in the event of an inspection.
This is not true for an 03 FFL. You do not have to close out your bound book, and you do not have to send it to them. You simply cease your collection activity (and notify ATF if it is before your license expiration date) and you may destroy your bound book if you so desire. If you get a new 03 FFL, you start from scratch.
And the only such record required would be the bound book, and the firearms themselves (plus any C&R ammo or oddities, etc), correct?
I believe that the list has several types of oddball ammo that qualify as C&R.
Edit: Here's the list. I'm not sure it has any relevance anymore.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios/sec1.htm
I'll go with what the ATF inspector told me, if you don't mind.
I don't know that there is such a thing as "C&R ammo".