China condemns U.S. gun ownership as human rights violation

[ericcif]

Heres my former maintenance chief after being held for that U.S./Chinese aircraft collision several years ago

 

[cekim]

China... Twy again... this time wif feewing... This is not a chawade...

 

[Dench]

It's a good strategic move for China. We'd be much easier to invade if we were disarmed.

China has plans to invade the US?

 

[cekim]

I do, I am just getting a little tired of sharing it with idiots.

 

[mcb]

This is the same tired argument the proposed/rumored/drafted NATO treaty to ban small arms is based upon. China has no good ideas of their own, that is their curse.

 

[Jsfitzgerald85]

China has plans to invade the US?

yep the whole invasion was suppose to be detailed in the upcoming documentary Red Dawn but politics got in the way

 

[Dick]

Twy again... this time wif feewing... This is not a chawade...

Kentucky Fried Movie - Fistful of Yen. One of my favorites, much to my wife's chagrin.

 

[ShadeWPI]

This is the same tired argument the proposed/rumored/drafted NATO treaty to ban small arms is based upon. China has no good ideas of their own, that is their curse.

They don't encourage or teach independant thinking in their schools. One of the big gripes about the Chinese engineers I work with, both here in the states and those still in China. They teach follow the rules, follow the formula, and do it "right". They don't teach creative problem solving, abstract analysis or thinking.

The government right now is struggling with how to move their technology research and development forward without cultivating a possible social uprising.

 

[dingbat]

China is concerned about our firearms? Most comforting news I've heard in years.

 

[MichaelJR]

 

[June4th]

Japanese are the ones really mix up l and r. Most Chinese people (except a small portion of population in SE coast) pronounce la la la just fine.

I've read some 'elect' vs. 'erect' jokes somewhere.

 

[appraiser]

you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm sure that's what the union wants you to think, though.

This has zero to do with union labor, and as a bus driver I don't think my position was going to be outsourced to CHina, but if you think for a minute that a good chunk of our manufacturing has not been moved there, you are nuts.

Apple makes almost all of their products in China.

Try to find American made clothing, TV's, etc etc etc.

I say this as someone who was once a Manufacturing Engineer, who ended up being a bus driver because nothing is manufactured here anymore.

When an individual investor acquires more than 5% of a companies stock, it raises eyebrows. If China owns 7% of the US debt and is pretty much the only investor that will buy more, that troubles me.

We have sold our soul for cheap goods and Wal-Mart prices.

 

[Dench]

We have sold our soul for cheap goods and Wal-Mart prices.

Whats there to do about it?

 

[exo]

If China owns 7% of the US debt and is pretty much the only investor that will buy more, that troubles me.

Don't worry, the Fed buys most of the US Gov't debt now with printed dollars.

We have sold our soul for cheap goods and Wal-Mart prices.

Tru dat.

 

[flintoid]

This has zero to do with union labor, and as a bus driver I don't think my position was going to be outsourced to CHina, but if you think for a minute that a good chunk of our manufacturing has not been moved there, you are nuts.
Apple makes almost all of their products in China.

Try to find American made clothing, TV's, etc etc etc.

I say this as someone who was once a Manufacturing Engineer, who ended up being a bus driver because nothing is manufactured here anymore.

When an individual investor acquires more than 5% of a companies stock, it raises eyebrows. If China owns 7% of the US debt and is pretty much the only investor that will buy more, that troubles me.

We have sold our soul for cheap goods and Wal-Mart prices.

As a manufacturing engineer who now drives buses as a union laborer, you sure didn't get with the game.

As a mechanical engineer who outsourced your job to china, I once again repeat: you don't know what you're talking about. No they don't have our technology, our machine tools and processes.

They have their own technology, their own machine tools, and their own processes. They don't make our military products or our proprietary technology. If you think, at all, that people are dumb enough to ship that shit over there to be made, you fail to understand china. Anything you send there, they analyze and know immediately what and how it's made.

If you think knowing how to make paper plates and injection molded parts is what differentiates a great country from a crappy one, you don't know what you're talking about.

Which is probably why you are driving a union bus instead of flying over there as a manufacturing engineer to set up lines for production.

 

[ShadeWPI]

Whats there to do about it?

Search out those companies who do still manufacturer in the US and be willing to pay the extra cash to support it.

Petition your state and federal representitives to develop a manufacturing enviornment more condusive to competitive manufacturing in the global economy

Raise awareness among your friends, family and coworkers for the same.

Establish a website where you can identify products that are manufacturered in the US to help others follow in your footsteps

Organize the occational protest against US retailers not offering US made products.

Products are manufacturered in China because China maintains very lax general labor, worker protection and enviornmental protection regulations and these reduce the cost of operating manufacturing facilities. They flourish because US consumers are more interested in price than cost and US retailers and politicians have given US consumers what they've demanded with their purchasing habits.

 

[June4th]

Whats there to do about it?

While it's FUBAR now, there are ways to reverse the tide. For starters, we can demand China meet the US common labor and environmental standards, or else, we'll slap 100% custom duty on all imported Chinese goods (or whatever percentage deemed appropriate). The US government cannot and should not enforce its laws in China, but it CAN use tariff to even labor and environmental arbitrage.

BTW, import/export duties is pretty much the only taxes codified in the Constitution as means for .gov to generate income.

 

[flintoid]

Whats there to do about it?

While it's FUBAR now, there are ways to reverse the tide. For starters, we can demand China meet the US common labor and environmental standards, or else, we'll slap 100% custom duty on all imported Chinese goods (or whatever percentage deemed appropriate). The US government cannot and should not enforce its laws in China, but it CAN use tariff to even labor and environmental arbitrage.

BTW, import/export duties is pretty much the only taxes codified in the Constitution as means for .gov to generate income.

In short: it's called globalization. The labor rates are already rising over there as inflation hits. Some manufacturing will probably shift back to the dirty south as a result.


There's nothing to do except get with reality and work in a modern world. Jobs are not entitled. That's what shifted labor to China in the first place: unionized labor groups who sucked at what they did because their reward system is based of of entitlement instead of hard work. Now since rates are increasing as another country catches up to the modern world, things will balance themselves out.

 

[timbo]

+1 I have met more people from other places originally that have a better understanding of what liberty is than those that grew up here, you see this with transplants into NH, the folks that come here from MA seem overwhelmingly liberty minded where natives don't

I'm not so sure about this...most of the people that I know that moved into NH from other states (think Shaheen and Flynch for starters) bring their socialist ways with them...I think their ideas and my ideas of freedom are very, very different.

 

[RobertPaulson]

They have their own technology, their own machine tools, and their own processes. They don't make our military products or our proprietary technology. If you think, at all, that people are dumb enough to ship that shit over there to be made, you fail to understand china. Anything you send there, they analyze and know immediately what and how it's made.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/made-in-china-u-s-military-finding-fake-chinese-electronics-in-gear-at-alarming-rate/
"The U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee has found that counterfeit electronic parts are finding their way into the U.S. military supply chain at an alarming rate.The Senate released a report that claims that on 1,800 separate occasions, the U.S. military or contractors have purchased electronics materials for defense systems that were either fake or poorly recycled.

In some cases, defective chips made their way into critical U.S. weapons and navigation systems. The examples could provide a serious wake-up call to defense contractors and others involved in the military supply chain."

"The Committee released the results of the months-long investigation earlier this week and met again today discuss legislation aimed at tackling the problem. Led by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the committee staff traced the DoD supply chain back to its start for more than 100 counterfeit parts and found that 70 percent of them originated in China."

 

[flintoid]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/made-in-china-u-s-military-finding-fake-chinese-electronics-in-gear-at-alarming-rate/
"The U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee has found that counterfeit electronic parts are finding their way into the U.S. military supply chain at an alarming rate.The Senate released a report that claims that on 1,800 separate occasions, the U.S. military or contractors have purchased electronics materials for defense systems that were either fake or poorly recycled.

In some cases, defective chips made their way into critical U.S. weapons and navigation systems. The examples could provide a serious wake-up call to defense contractors and others involved in the military supply chain."

"The Committee released the results of the months-long investigation earlier this week and met again today discuss legislation aimed at tackling the problem. Led by Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the committee staff traced the DoD supply chain back to its start for more than 100 counterfeit parts and found that 70 percent of them originated in China."

This article is talking about sourced counter-fitted parts used in military applications. Proprietary technology and part sourcing are totally different things.

If you knew what a PCB was, and knew what populated them, and knew that their components come from all over asia, your head would explode.

now, PCBs with proprietary designs for the military? Those are illegal to fabricate off-shore.


So your response makes absolutely zero relevancy. You are just mad because I pissed on unionized labor, one of the major root causes to pushing US manufacturing off shores. Which makes union workers bitching about "they took our jobs!" China manufacturing look like total ass clown hypocrites.

 

[hurley431]

Flintoid, your posts always make me smile.

 

[calsdad]

China is bitching because our benevolent progressive masters have seen fit to constantly berate China about their human rights record. That blind dissident guy who took up residence in the US embassy after eluding the guards around his house - was a big embarrassment for China. Hillary Clinton and Co. went out of their way to rake China over the coals about their human rights record - so - now China is taking potshots at us - using a well established script. The script was established by all those very same progressive sh!twads who are berating China.

The way I see it is that this whole thing is only a few degrees of responsibility removed from the very same American aholes who are constantly trying every trick they can think of to get rid of the Constitution and the 2nd amendment. The Chinese just picked up the same script that's been in use for a long time.

 

[calsdad]

Even without considering Invading the US, China would have more clout to deal witht he US if they believed they could reasonably fight a military battle with the US. The one thing China can boast militarily over the US is man-power (raw numbers), however if it came to war, the US's heavily armed populas would out-number any military force China could muster and bring to bear on US soil.

The second issue is China fears the sense of freedom its people see from exposure to the Weatern World, including the availability of firearms in the US. Chinese engineers, businessmen and Students visiting the US as well as those who work with US counter parts, are exposed to these freedoms, and their people increasingly want access to these freedoms, which undermines the Chinese government's strangle hold on their own people.

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It's the cast iron pot calling the copper kettle black though.

I think there's some truth to that. I work with a couple of Chinese engineers. They seem to be fascinated by the fact that we can own firearms as easily as just going down to the store and buying one.

" Sro lew bruy gun? Cal lou bruy locket rauncher?"

 

[Dench]

Search out those companies who do still manufacturer in the US and be willing to pay the extra cash to support it.

Petition your state and federal representitives to develop a manufacturing enviornment more condusive to competitive manufacturing in the global economy

Raise awareness among your friends, family and coworkers for the same.

Establish a website where you can identify products that are manufacturered in the US to help others follow in your footsteps

Organize the occational protest against US retailers not offering US made products.

Products are manufacturered in China because China maintains very lax general labor, worker protection and enviornmental protection regulations and these reduce the cost of operating manufacturing facilities. They flourish because US consumers are more interested in price than cost and US retailers and politicians have given US consumers what they've demanded with their purchasing habits.

Oh, I don't actually care. it was rhetorical.

"forget about it" type thing.

 

[Horrible]

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

Although this quote was likely not muttered by Yamamoto, China likely realizes this if they decide to call us on our debt.

 

[RobertPaulson]

This article is talking about sourced counter-fitted parts used in military applications. Proprietary technology and part sourcing are totally different things.

If you knew what a PCB was, and knew what populated them, and knew that their components come from all over asia, your head would explode.

now, PCBs with proprietary designs for the military? Those are illegal to fabricate off-shore.


So your response makes absolutely zero relevancy. You are just mad because I pissed on unionized labor, one of the major root causes to pushing US manufacturing off shores. Which makes union workers bitching about "they took our jobs!" China manufacturing look like total ass clown hypocrites.

Not really, I'm not mad at all. I simply thought you might be wrong on the subject so I shared an article that I pulled up quickly that I thought had relevance. You're right I had no idea about "PCB"s, I did a quick Google search and read up a little bit but to be quite honest it gave me a headache. I would rather study up on PBR. I never mentioned anything about union labor in my post, you were the one to go all BILLB on us and bring up unions.

I do think that you would be naive to think that if a war broke out between us and China next month that we wouldn't be extremely ****ed when it came to manufacturing. Out of the products we still manufacture here what percent of them have Chinese made components?

 

[Business]

So China are you saying you have no murders or violent crimes because you are "looking out for the protection of your own citizens?"

 

[ChevyGuy91]

This article is talking about sourced counter-fitted parts used in military applications. Proprietary technology and part sourcing are totally different things.

If you knew what a PCB was, and knew what populated them, and knew that their components come from all over asia, your head would explode.

now, PCBs with proprietary designs for the military? Those are illegal to fabricate off-shore.


So your response makes absolutely zero relevancy. You are just mad because I pissed on unionized labor, one of the major root causes to pushing US manufacturing off shores. Which makes union workers bitching about "they took our jobs!" China manufacturing look like total ass clown hypocrites.

This, I was a Tomahawk tech in the Navy, ~85% of my system was COTS electronics. So, much of the system could be purchased on the internet (probably the same place the Navy supply system gets it) if you know what components to look for, and if you did find them (they were pretty dated), I am willing to bet a lot of those components would come from over seas. The software to make it work is what is proprietary, and really matters.

 

[flintoid]

Not really, I'm not mad at all. I simply thought you might be wrong on the subject so I shared an article that I pulled up quickly that I thought had relevance. You're right I had no idea about "PCB"s, I did a quick Google search and read up a little bit but to be quite honest it gave me a headache. I would rather study up on PBR. I never mentioned anything about union labor in my post, you were the one to go all BILLB on us and bring up unions.

I do think that you would be naive to think that if a war broke out between us and China next month that we wouldn't be extremely ****ed when it came to manufacturing. Out of the products we still manufacture here what percent of them have Chinese made components?

Sorry, I blended you and glockaholic (both unionized laborers, both stout union defenders) into the same category. He was complaining about how China "owns" everything now, which is hilarious to me, as I have had to personally watch US jobs go over seas to due out-of-control labor costs resulting from union negotiations.

It takes a rooster to **** an egg out of a hen. And when the roosters start complaining about how shitty the eggs are, they should chop off their own cocks, not bitch about the hens.

And no, I don't agree with your assessment on resource allocation from China (manufacturing) and it costing us war resources. It is naive to believe that everything comes from there. Electronic components are sourced from many other asian companies. And if S really did HTF, US manufacturing could mobilize to support such production.

Unless you are worried about the plastic boxes for MREs. If you think we're going to lose a war because we can't figure out how to mold MRE containers within a week, then I agree with your assessment.