China condemns U.S. gun ownership as human rights violation

[Gastrok]

 

[flintoid]

This, I was a Tomahawk tech in the Navy, ~85% of my system was COTS electronics. So, much of the system could be purchased on the internet (probably the same place the Navy supply system gets it) if you know what components to look for, and if you did find them (they were pretty dated), I am willing to bet a lot of those components would come from over seas. The software to make it work is what is proprietary, and really matters.

circuit design, software, etc.

Those PCBs are wave soldered in the USofA. Illegal not to do so.

Cost Of General Supply can eventually source the lowly components over-seas. But ITAR amongst other US regulations would RAPE a mil-supplier if anything remotely interesting made it into the hands of the PRC due to outsourcing.

Technical information leaking out via chinese ex-pats now US citizens acting as PRC spies? That's another story and one that you can't stop unless you want police state BS.

 

[June4th]

I invite every old buddy who visits me a trip to the range. For many of them, getting my views on gun ownership is more refreshing than the act of shooting guns.

Now when I go to China, many friends often asked me: 'Hi Dude, I heard you got enough guns for a platoon?!!!' To which I always answer with humility: 'Nah, I can barely arm a squad, and I don't even have a light machine gun.' Words travel around...

Next time I go, I'll try to line up a college seminar, maybe, to talk about 2nd Amendment. College kids are eager to learn anything about the good ol' US of A. They might as well learn something truly unique and precious about this country.

 

[swampy]

Government regulation of civilian ownership of guns is a human rights violation.
Government ownership of guns is a human rights violation.
The Chinese choosing to criticize America for any reason can go F_ _ _ themselves.

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Next time I go, I'll try to line up a college seminar, maybe, to talk about 2nd Amendment. College kids are eager to learn anything about the good ol' US of A. They might as well learn something truly unique and precious about this country.

Be sure to explain how US citizens, and in one case, non-citizens, (Heller, McDonald, Erzell, Fletcher, etc.) who disagreed with US gun laws were able to take their case against the government to court and actually have existing laws ruled invalid.

 

[cekim]

The software to make it work is what is proprietary, and really matters.

The trouble is that all the chips they are putting down and on which they are running that software are getting complex enough that that it is, or is approaching impossible to be 100% sure of what you are getting.

It was one thing when you had parts with a few dozen pins, now there are 100's. You can also design the chip to function perfectly normally under any test mode that might detect something odd. As time goes on, the complexity of exploits from intentional vulnerability to EM to remote compromise are going to increase.

It is hard enough to make COTS hardware do what you want it to on the timelines we have (in the Consumer market) to do so much less attempt to harden them to any sort of attack. Much less to harden them against back-end process manipulation (i.e. sending masks overseas for production at which point exploits are inserted).

 

[william_munny]

The eugenics capital of the world wants to talk to us about human rights violations.

 

[Garys]

Why the Gun Is Civilization

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

...

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

That right there is why the Chinese, Communists, and would be tyrants in general hate guns and the people that own them.

Read the whole thing as they saying goes.

 

[cekim]

The eugenics capital of the world wants to talk to us about human rights violations.

Indeed - not a leg to stand on to be found:

Of course, the Chinese people won't see this, because their government censors their internet.

 

[joeendris]

To all the Commie Bastards, Come and get take them!!!!!!

Do you mean the Chinese or U.S. Politicians ?

Both....makes no difference

 

[noddaduma]

The trouble is that all the chips they are putting down and on which they are running that software are getting complex enough that that it is, or is approaching impossible to be 100% sure of what you are getting.

It was one thing when you had parts with a few dozen pins, now there are 100's. You can also design the chip to function perfectly normally under any test mode that might detect something odd. As time goes on, the complexity of exploits from intentional vulnerability to EM to remote compromise are going to increase.

It is hard enough to make COTS hardware do what you want it to on the timelines we have (in the Consumer market) to do so much less attempt to harden them to any sort of attack. Much less to harden them against back-end process manipulation (i.e. sending masks overseas for production at which point exploits are inserted).

This doesn't really reflect reality in the defense industry and particularly when it comes to weapons programs, and that's about all I can say about that.

 

[cekim]

This doesn't really reflect reality in the defense industry and particularly when it comes to weapons programs, and that's about all I can say about that.

Been there done that - if its not happening now, its only a matter of time...

I know first-hand that they work quite hard to prevent it. My point is their ability to do so diminishes with each doubling of the gates in chips that they use (along with increasing expertise in the potentially adversarial nations fabricating those chips).

 

[appraiser]

As a manufacturing engineer who now drives buses as a union laborer, you sure didn't get with the game.



Which is probably why you are driving a union bus instead of flying over there as a manufacturing engineer to set up lines for production.

Just a FYI, I no longer drive a bus, I am semi retired and when I do work I am in the automotive trades, as among other things a MA licensed auto damage appraiser.

I support the workers rights to unionize, as did Ronald Regan. I also support the right of the government to toss the employees out on their asses when the unions when they do something stupid.

Ask the Boston Carmen's Union what happened to them when they got too big for their britches, same for PATCO.

 

[NickW85]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! China is mad because their suicide rate is higher than our accidental death rate from guns and suicide rate combined per capita.

 

[FrugalFannie]

I don't often swear. I don't often even think about swearing. But as far as China telling the US about human rights and guns I say - F^%$ off!

 

[FreeWillie]

Hu Jintao KISS MY BUTT.

 

[Coyote Hunter]

I don't often swear. I don't often even think about swearing. But as far as China telling the US about human rights and guns I say - F^%$ off!

I do swear often! And china can go f&@k a goat.
China telling us about human rights and guns is like me preaching to someone about the benefits of a vegan diet

 

[30Mauser]

Remember the collective chuckle we Americans ALL used to enjoy every time the Soviet Kremlin would release some criticism about us? It practically validated in and of itself whatever it was they were criticizing.

This is what we should be doing whenever the PRC tries to call the US on human rights... However, since the statement supports the anti-gun agenda of the main-stream media and Rosie O'Donnell-esque morons, let's enjoy watching the moonbats trip all over themselves trying to say "see I told you so" in support of the statement while at the same time discounting anything else coming out of their Tibet-oppressing, child/prisoner-labor, sweat shops.

 

[hminsky]

They killed upwards of 2,000 peaceful protesters in Tienanmen square.

Human rights groups reported that 50 to 100 people were executed in the wake of the Tiananmen Square crackdown, some for things as minor as setting a police motorcycle on fire or taking photographs of tanks around the square. Another 15,000 to 20,000 were detained, with 99 of those still in prison in ten years later.

When push comes to shove, there are no human rights in China.

 

[flintoid]

Just a FYI, I no longer drive a bus, I am semi retired and when I do work I am in the automotive trades, as among other things a MA licensed auto damage appraiser.

I support the workers rights to unionize, as did Ronald Regan. I also support the right of the government to toss the employees out on their asses when the unions when they do something stupid.

Ask the Boston Carmen's Union what happened to them when they got too big for their britches, same for PATCO.

I may catch hell from a lot of people for saying this: but Ronald Reagan's support of unions was pure idiocy. And it was one of his fatal flaws as a leader in my eyes. Why he supported that was probably for popular vote, but I cannot and will never agree with such bullshit.

Being a self-made individual, I believe in hard work and the believe in a strong america where it is the right of an individual to make their country, and their living, stronger through hard work. And in pure capitalism, productivity is rewarded as such. With this productivity comes a great nation.

Perhaps back in Reagan's time unions made more sense. But in a globalized economy, they drag our country down. Criteria of performance defined by peer popular vote and time-defined experience do not make a nation stronger. And we should not live in a world where we need a government to shut unions down when they become out of control. These are the reasons why I despise them.

I respect those who do support them. But in my eyes, they cannot be justified.

 

[flintoid]

anyways, back on topic- when I fly to china, I try to "rub it in" as a free american by wearing ridiculous AK propaganda t-shirts that make me look cool (I doubt I look cool, but lots of the plant workers think so).

and of course their .gov hates firearms. Whenever I light up the eyes of one of their citizens with joy at the range, Freedom registers in their mind as something that they want.

 

[RHJJ]

Screw china put a 10% tariff on all the cheap junk they send us. And if they cry put a 20 % on it. Tell them to shut up or screw.

 

[beaker]

http://www.examiner.com/article/china-condemns-u-s-gun-ownership-as-human-rights-violation

“The United States prioritizes the right to keep and bear arms over the protection of citizens' lives and personal security and exercises lax firearm possession control, causing rampant gun ownership,” the report claims. “The U.S. people hold between 35 percent and 50 percent of the world' s civilian-owned guns, with every 100 people having 90 guns [and] 47 percent of American adults reported that they had a gun.”


Because if anyone knew about human rights violations, it would be China.

Reverse Translated Version using Google Translate (No offense to our Chinese brothers on NES ):

“United States peeple crazy! Goverment make more important right to keep arm bears over protection of peeples' lives and personel safety and exercises. Everybody has lax firearm bladder control, causing much gun over-ownership,” the report claims. “The U.S. peeple have so many guns it unbelievable! Those crazy democratic fools have enough guns and bullets to defend selves and family, too crazy! They own more guns than Peeples Army! They so crazy! How can goverment do whatever it wants when peeple have so many bullets! Crazy Americans own more guns than Somali pirates! U.S. Peeple own 127% of all guns ever made in the hole world! Why do prime minister of U.S. let so many subjects own guns, they too crazy!”​

 

[ShadeWPI]

Screw china put a 10% tariff on all the cheap junk they send us. And if they cry put a 20 % on it. Tell them to shut up or screw.

I proposed a more generalized process that provides a direct, specific reason:

1) 50% tariff on any product imported into the US from a country that does not recognize and enforce US intellectual property
2) 25% tariff on any product imported into the US from a country that does not implement and enforce specific minimal enviornmental protection requirements (these should NOT be as high as US EPA requirements)
3) 25% tariff on any product imported into the US from a country that does not implement and enforce specific minimal worker safety protection requirements (again, these should not be as high as US OSHA requirements)

These are three of the major areas that foreign manufacturing exploit to drive down the cost to manufacturer, placing the US at a competitive disadvantage, and these tariffs would use the US consumer market to encourage foreign countries to raise their standards or the government will raise the cost of their products such that US manufacturing can compete on equal footing. However, these things are unpopular because they would raise the cost of consumer goods, and that would hit the voting public where they pay the most attention - their wallets.

 

[mikem317]

Well, they have it ass-backwards: This is one the few remaining bright spots in American freedom. Self-preservation is a human right, but don't tell them.

 

[RATTLESNAKE]

Hey China: F - OFF !

 

[cekim]

Well, they have it ass-backwards: This is one the few remaining bright spots in American freedom. Self-preservation is a human right, but don't tell them.

It's not an accident - they know what they are saying. "War is peace. Freedom is slavery."

It's the script of socialism. Repeat the lie often enough and it becomes the truth.

 

[namedpipes]

China has some hot chicks and a neat old wall, but that's about it.

F China.

 

[wdcollard]

lol... China... Human Rights..... lol

 

[terraformer]

I am surprised that no one has mentioned this, but there is a chance the Chinese government was put up to this like the Mexican government has been by the Obama Administration. This smacks of a good ole international shaming operation. This is under the radar folks...