Mass-diver
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So because you support gun rights, a free market can't exist?
A free market, by definition, can't exist in the setting of ammo bans, taxes, etc.
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So because you support gun rights, a free market can't exist?
A free market, by definition, can't exist in the setting of ammo bans, taxes, etc.
That's the way I read it. My apologies if that is not what he is saying. It's a free market. HS Trading or Pullman Arms or Four Seasons can charge what they want. They are in business ot make money, not to coddle everyone.
What is all this talk on ammo bans? Maybe people actually think that stuff will go through. I don't. I buy my ammo to shoot. Sure some of it I have sold or traded for stuff I need or want more, but I am not stockpiling it like some people thinking it's all going to end tomorrow.
Increasing the cost of gun ownership through regulation/taxes/mandatory insurance is something I strongly oppose.
and you are right about people being in business to make money, thats why they opened a business anyone can charge what ever they like for a product or service but in my eyes and in the eyes of others when you overcharge/gouge/rape you are only biting the hand that feeds you.
In this state? An ammo tax or ban would hardly be shocking.
Here's the parallel: MGs, legal to own, but due to government regulation they cost too much for many of us to purchase. An M16 in a true free market would cost the same as an AR15, instead, gov regulation has manipulated the market so that they cost 25K.
There are always people though to pay those prices, otherwise they wouldn't be able to charge that much. Same in the classifieds here, or on any other forum.
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There are people though that pay $30k for a full auto toy. I don't see a problem.
That's great, but none of those things have happened with ammo. And if it eventually does, your beef should be with the laws and those who passed it, not with those selling the items. The freemarket HAS to adjust to the reality of any conditions, constitutional or not. It can't function otherwise.
There are people though that pay $30k for a full auto toy. I don't see a problem.
It's a defacto ban.
Glad to see you support the current laws on MGs. Personally, I'm against all of them, but I guess we are opposite sides of the fence.
A free market, by definition, can't exist in the setting of ammo bans, taxes, etc.
The current shortage is not due to bans, taxes, or even the government buying it up.
The current shortage is caused by high consumer demand.
I guess I am lost here. What laws am I for?? What laws do you think I support? Or are you just putting words in my mouth? How is it a defacto ban? People can obviously pay these prices on things right now, because as soon as a store get's a shit ton of ammo in, it's gone in 5 minutes. So this has become more about what you can't afford, and you are whining about it.
IT'S A FREE MARKET. PEOPLE CAN CHARGE WHAT THEY WANT, FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE THEIRS. YOU IN TURN, DON'T HAVE TO PAY THOSE PRICES IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO.
Hey, Tom!! Give it up!!!! You've destroyed another thread.
Hey, Tom!! Give it up!!!! You've destroyed another thread.
It's a defacto ban.
Glad to see you support the current laws on MGs. Personally, I'm against all of them, but I guess we are opposite sides of the fence.
I guess I am lost here. What laws am I for?? What laws do you think I support? Or are you just putting words in my mouth? How is it a defacto ban? People can obviously pay these prices on things right now, because as soon as a store get's a shit ton of ammo in, it's gone in 5 minutes. So this has become more about what you can't afford, and you are whining about it.
IT'S A FREE MARKET. PEOPLE CAN CHARGE WHAT THEY WANT, FOR THE ITEMS THAT ARE THEIRS. YOU IN TURN, DON'T HAVE TO PAY THOSE PRICES IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO.
The current shortage is not due to bans, taxes, or even the government buying it up.
The current shortage is caused by high consumer demand.
now you are making the discussion something its not. can we just stay on topic an stop poking each other in the chest? its gone past reasonable these days and is straight up childish.
The current shortage is not due to bans, taxes, or even the government buying it up.
The current shortage is caused by high consumer demand.
It's not as if all of sudden people decided that shooting seemed like a cool sport.
Instead, high ranking government officials are calling for widespread bans on everything. This is the driving force behind the price increases.
I disagree. You see AR's starting to come down in normal price. You see AR parts coming back down & in stock at normal prices. Everything is slowly starting to settle down.
I just finished building my 2nd AR since everything went FR, and I didn't pay crazy prices on anything. Do some research, take some time, and you can find the deals out there. Again, my choice to take my time to shop around. Or, I could pay FR pricing.
See how that works?
In a free market, the threat of government regulation should never even come into play.
Well, I don't disagree with much in that post.
I do want to add that another factor here in MA is the AG has threatened private companies with regard to online sales to MA. This is direct government manipulation and another reason, here in MA, the free market can't function properly with regard to ammo sales.
Well, I don't disagree with much in that post.
I do want to add that another factor here in MA is the AG has threatened private companies with regard to online sales to MA. This is direct government manipulation and another reason, here in MA, the free market can't function properly with regard to ammo sales.