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Cancelling your NRA membership makes you part of the problem
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I went to bed next to my wife and woke up a cuck... yikes (btw only little ****bois use that word). I feel bad for those of you who think that pulling support for the NRA will do anything but hurt us. There's a bigger picture you are unable to see because you are so deluded by your idealism.
MAC is making a huge mistake. Hickok45 has it right -- yet a bunch of people are plastering his fb page with accusations of being a turncoat, etc. That's ****ing insane.
People are seemingly unable to comprehend how this whole thing works. Oh well. It would be nice to have you guys behind the NRA, but do what you want. Hopefully it doesn't hurt us too bad.
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MAC is making a huge mistake. Hickok45 has it right -- yet a bunch of people are plastering his fb page with accusations of being a turncoat, etc. That's ****ing insane.
People are seemingly unable to comprehend how this whole thing works. Oh well. It would be nice to have you guys behind the NRA, but do what you want. Hopefully it doesn't hurt us too bad.
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Funny to see folks from progressive states who have spent their whole lives surrendering time after time after time saying that the rest of us should just roll over.
How's that strategy worked out for ya?
Not so good eh?
We've been "Compromised" into a corner
Time to go on the offensive and push HARDER not roll over
How's that strategy worked out for ya?
Not so good eh?
We've been "Compromised" into a corner
Time to go on the offensive and push HARDER not roll over
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the reactionary BS is getting old and quite annoying. Murder has been against the law for all of time. I have no idea why they choose to punish the population because of the actions of one or two. Was they event tragic? Yes, extremely. But what got me to think about getting into guns as a younger man was that two of my close friends were murder by a guy who used a gun. I have no idea when bump stocks were made/discovered/invented. But as far as I can recall this is the first ever incident that I am aware of where that device was used in this manner. Now all of a sudden "it has to be banned". I have no idea why they keep putting in this feel good litigation that does absolutely nothing but make it more difficult for normal people to enjoy their rights.
The media and the liberals fed into this type of mindset and they caused this guy to go off the deepe and with all their anti-Trump/anti-republican rhetoric. They've done nothing to help reunite the country after the election.
This blood is on their hands. Every drop....not on the NRA or other pro gun groups. This starts with Soros and Hiltelry and obummer....and the MSM.
The media and the liberals fed into this type of mindset and they caused this guy to go off the deepe and with all their anti-Trump/anti-republican rhetoric. They've done nothing to help reunite the country after the election.
This blood is on their hands. Every drop....not on the NRA or other pro gun groups. This starts with Soros and Hiltelry and obummer....and the MSM.
bigbravehog
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I've wasted much more than $40 a year on other junk. I don't agree with all things NRA, especially here in socialist MA, but I support NRA, GOAL and NES as well. These groups are all we got.
Arguing amongst ourselves isn't going to solve anything. Anti's are winning because they support anything and everything. But I guess its easier when you're on offense.
Two things can be true at once, NRA is playing politics and giving in some but they are also the best we got. They also did a great job during the Dictators 8 year reign of terror. JPK brings up a good point and I'm right there with you but NRA will still be getting my money.
Two things can be true at once, NRA is playing politics and giving in some but they are also the best we got. They also did a great job during the Dictators 8 year reign of terror. JPK brings up a good point and I'm right there with you but NRA will still be getting my money.
List of additional companies to patronize? Need to start staying at Wyndham hotels more, but my car rental company of choice is there at least.
Chelsea Handler should be turning tricks on some dingy street corner in L.A.
The NRA just needs to learn to STFU after shootings. what ever they come out and say after a shooting only riles up the left. sometimes i think they are their own worst enemy. so not only did they piss off the left but they pissed off their base. its almost like they think the left is going to change their mind and start liking the NRA.
While shutting up may seem like a great idea the verbiage "The NRA was silent on ...." has already been plastered around related to when race has been portrayed as a factor in some shootings. People trying to whip others into a froth by melding gun topics with race topics in a web that would likely trip up most PR people.
Whats the over under on how many requests for comment they have received and how many articles they have been told "We are running this whether or not you talk to us"
Won't happen. Why? Because you're looking at this from the standpoint of someone educated in firearms, especially the AR. NOONE in the house or senate has a freakin clue about any of these other appliances. My money says that their anti-bump stock legislation will once again focus in on that one item just like the original AWB prohibited the Colt Sporter but not the clones or prebans. The legislature is ''gun-dumb" only knowing what it thinks it knows.
As for the NRA, I'll be the first to agree that they have disappointed us over the years. Understand, however, that they are not as powerful as you and your gun-buddies in your own state in trying to overturn horrible anti-gun legislation. If you and your local clubs and state-wide pro 2A organizations can't be successful, why do you think that the NRA will fare any better? I'm in CT. God himself could file an appeal to the local supreme court of this state and HE would be shot down. The state is true-blue and all the judges are in the pockets of the liberal legislators. No matter what argument we muster against these stupid, ignorant and uninformed laws, the State wins. So, expecting the NRA to ride in here on a white horse kick the legislators in the teeth is simply not going to happen. Joining forces from time to time might help. Doing nothing, however, could result in drastic changes.
In my personal opinion, for what it's worth, we MUST continue to fund the NRA. Not doing so is like withholding your vote for someone because you don't think they are doing all they should for the ticket but if you don't vote for them the really bad competitor will most certainly succeed in denying your rights further. So, you MUST bite the bullet and squeak out the couple of bucks so that we have SOME say. As another poster said, you can turn the NRA ship in the direction you want if you push hard enough. Trying to push the ship of state in our direction, however, is a lost cause.
Rome
hv55maxx
NES Member
I'm still confused why everyone is ignoring the physics of how the stupid gimmicks even fire while using a bipod??? THis is the exact reason I've steered clear of faceplant arguments because non gun people won't every understand this.
to maintain 400+yd accuracy you'd need to load up on the bipod, thus negating the bump fire stock's mechanism of action. wtf. someone smarter than i please explain
to maintain 400+yd accuracy you'd need to load up on the bipod, thus negating the bump fire stock's mechanism of action. wtf. someone smarter than i please explain
groundscrapers
NES Member
Word from those in the know is they didn't bother to notify the BOD or seek their opinion before releasing the statement that they did. There are democratic processes for sure but what value are they when they aren't used. What it comes down to is the NRA effectively said there is a semi auto rate of fire that is too high for their liking. This is what is particularly troubling to me. First its a bump stock, next its your cmc and geissele triggers.
Horrible
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The left's destruction of God and Family to make way for govt in this country over the past century or is what has caused this. Cultural rot. For people to be dependent on govt(so those in power can gain moar power), they needed to eliminate other support structures (Church and family). Incidents like these are the result.
Let's look at the reality of the situation:
- There are real calls for new legislation to ban things. Any time the door is opened for new laws, all the idiots try to amend their extra creeping restrictions into it. Oh, we're already doing this, let's add one more "common sense" thing to it.
- Linsky is the prime example. He's trying to use bump-fire legislation to carry through a ban on standard capacity magazines with no "pre-ban" and no grandfathering.
- Once something is written into law, it's almost impossible to make it go away.
- The NRA first and foremost is saying "whoa whoa whoa... let's have the BATFE look into this. A nice long investigation is in order. Let's do this right and take their times. BTW this investigation should take about 18 months". They're also saying "there's no need to pass any new laws... if anything, a regulation is the way to go". Regulations are 1000x easier to change and undo than laws.
I don't love the NRA. I've been wishing they'd dump LaPierre for a long time. They drastically overstepped their boudaries with "we're coming for you" political ads. But they're playing a strategy game at this point making sure they stay relevant. Hardline stances on their part is a road to them being written off and ignored. The moment the NRA becomes ignorable because (1) they have become someone nobody wants at the table or, (2) too many members quit is the moment that the left gets to walk all over us like the nazis sweeping into France.
- There are real calls for new legislation to ban things. Any time the door is opened for new laws, all the idiots try to amend their extra creeping restrictions into it. Oh, we're already doing this, let's add one more "common sense" thing to it.
- Linsky is the prime example. He's trying to use bump-fire legislation to carry through a ban on standard capacity magazines with no "pre-ban" and no grandfathering.
- Once something is written into law, it's almost impossible to make it go away.
- The NRA first and foremost is saying "whoa whoa whoa... let's have the BATFE look into this. A nice long investigation is in order. Let's do this right and take their times. BTW this investigation should take about 18 months". They're also saying "there's no need to pass any new laws... if anything, a regulation is the way to go". Regulations are 1000x easier to change and undo than laws.
I don't love the NRA. I've been wishing they'd dump LaPierre for a long time. They drastically overstepped their boudaries with "we're coming for you" political ads. But they're playing a strategy game at this point making sure they stay relevant. Hardline stances on their part is a road to them being written off and ignored. The moment the NRA becomes ignorable because (1) they have become someone nobody wants at the table or, (2) too many members quit is the moment that the left gets to walk all over us like the nazis sweeping into France.
hv55maxx
NES Member
i posted instructions about what to plug into the hornady ballistic calculator for typical 55gr fmj ammo and the impact energy at 400 plus yds. the kill rate don't match the ballistics for an amateur. I'm sure .mil folks can make it work but a "he wasn't a gun guy" type is a stretch. I am also trying to point out these questions while being respectful of the deceased and their families.
but hey, football is on, look squirrel!!!!!
SKumar
NES Member
I'm still trying to fathom why Wayne is advocating for additional regulations on bump-stocks. What's in it for him or the NRA members that he represents? Also, if he's serious about national reciprocity, he should be blasting that in front of people's faces during this opportunity of gun conversation.
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Just signed up for the NRA for the first time. If you can point me in the direction at someone else at the federal level trying to keep gun rights then I will support them as well or instead of the NRA. Some of yall are real drama queens, if you think the NRA is ******* gun owners do you think we would be better off without them? With no lobbyists in DC going up to bat for gun owners? We would probably have a percentage of what we are able to have now at the federal level.
NHKevin
NES Member
Support should go there... AS WELL!
A lot of you still seem to think your support for the NRA will in some way harm you, or you can't stomach it because they aren't doing exactly what you would do. The fact of the matter is they are a powerhouse because of their membership. You can point to all their failures, and you won't be wrong, but look at the last fricken 8 years. The BIGGEST, HARDEST assault on our 2A rights and nothing was done. If it weren't for this shooting, there is a very real chance that sportsmans act would have passed.
By helping to weaken the NRA, you are screwing us over. If you can't see that, you are blind or dumb.
Mike
A lot of you still seem to think your support for the NRA will in some way harm you, or you can't stomach it because they aren't doing exactly what you would do. The fact of the matter is they are a powerhouse because of their membership. You can point to all their failures, and you won't be wrong, but look at the last fricken 8 years. The BIGGEST, HARDEST assault on our 2A rights and nothing was done. If it weren't for this shooting, there is a very real chance that sportsmans act would have passed.
By helping to weaken the NRA, you are screwing us over. If you can't see that, you are blind or dumb.
Mike
NHKevin
NES Member
Yes. Big time.
amm5061
NES Member
GlockJock
NES Member
I don't like seventy percent of what my labor union in work says, or does, or thinks etc.. They effin SUCK.. BUT.. it's what we have, and without them we'd get shat upon daily by corporate (instead of monthly or annually, etc)... Sometimes you've gotta take a step back and realize the wording of the "serenity prayer".. (accept the things I can't change...courage to change what I can, and the" smahts" to know the difference... Without the NRA we'd (gun owners) all be dry effed.. At least with my NRA membership I get an annual supply of KY jelly to ease the reaming from the .gov
NHKevin
NES Member
Student pilots now need a government permission slip before taking flying lessons. There are many new security theater airspace restrictions.
By helping to weaken the NRA, you are screwing us over. If you can't see that, you are blind or dumb.
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Now is not the time to go awol.
wait till the incoming is finished ,
Then assesss the battle action.
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Now is not the time to go awol.
wait till the incoming is finished ,
Then assesss the battle action.
This NYT Op-ed has been posted in other threads, but there's a paragraph that applies here:
IMO this article is one of the few "honest" ones by the gun grabbers. They admit almost everything they want to do will not work, so the only thing they should try to do is repeal the 2A.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-second-amendment-nra.html?mwrsm=Facebook
"Repeal the Second Amendment"
IMO this article is one of the few "honest" ones by the gun grabbers. They admit almost everything they want to do will not work, so the only thing they should try to do is repeal the 2A.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-second-amendment-nra.html?mwrsm=Facebook
"Repeal the Second Amendment"
