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Buying Legal Pot Will Get You On The Federal Database

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Reptile, Nov 17, 2018.

  1. Kevin_NH

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    Heavy MJ users I used to know (mostly computer programmers, if you use Linux, you benefit from the work of potheads) were at least as good a judge of their own THC impairment as you are of your booze impairment. The US NIH acknowledges that pot users are likely better judges of their own impairment than are users of alcohol and acknowledge that most "car accidents caused by THC users" are really about polydrug abuse, generally pot and booze at the same time:
    See also the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) paper "Drug and Alcohol Crash Risk".
     

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    Mmm did you only spend 1 minute in Maine because I’ve seen DUIs there handed out every year and the state is the toughest in the lower 48.
     
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    Fascinating how the maternal instinct overrides common sense in exchange for an imagined sense of greater security: “for the children”. I know the world is a scary place, but let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water; punish people for actual crimes not crimes that could be.
     
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    Better than nothing, which doing nothing or looking the other way is politicians favorite pastime
     
  6. Woodsy

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    It is doing nothing and they know that. Just appears they actually give a crap. Then people will say oooooohhh look they are getting it done hahahaha such fail. Until BATF sends out a letter saying it’s clear , it’s not.
     
  7. crispnipz

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    I am unable to find a single instance of anyone being charged for being a firearms owner while possessing or purchasing legal recreational marijuana in any state where it is legal.

    As an example, socialite playboy Dan Bilzerian both:

    Publicly admits to being a cannabis user: Dan Bilzerian Gives Exercise Tips for Stoner Gains
    Publicly shows his collection of firearms: https://static.independent.co.uk/s3...mbnails/image/2017/10/04/07/dan-bilzerian.jpg

    Bilzerian is about the most blatant example of someone being a simultaneous cannabis user and firearms owner. And until he is prosecuted by the ATF for such, the ATF has no business telling anyone in compliance with state law that they can't own firearms.
     
  8. Woodsy

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    Dan has much more money than you. And sure you can rant on the ATF all day but they are the ones who can make your life a living hell. So roll the dice. Maybe the defense that they can’t tell you what to do will work, I doubt it but I’m not a lawyer.
     
  9. crispnipz

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    So? What's more important is that he is a high-profile individual who breaks this law, but is otherwise lawful. If the ATF wanted to send a message, they would nab him or someone like him.

    It's not rolling the dice, nobody has been prosecuted for this and I doubt they would because:

    1. they want distributors
    2. they don't want to create a situation where some people get prosecuted for this and others don't
     
  10. weekendracer

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    I spent 8 years there, but I was in a very remote area. Don't get get all in a ruffle about anecdotal strawman non-sequitur.
     
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    Millionaires have different rules. But good luck
     
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    Ok so I’m only 23 years but they hand them out and people are prosecuted each year. I don’t like Ruffles I prefer Doritos
     
  13. crispnipz

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    You're right. But sometimes the govt can "make an example" out of a celebrity to discourage law-breaking. Like the British rapper who was just arrested by ICE.
     
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    Nash I don’t see it. Dan has broken laws before and he just flies away in his Gulfstream. I have no doubt the ATF likely in a state mi Mass will make an example out of some poor SOB. That’s how mass rolls. Crucify a law abiding guy as they have before to scare the masses.
     
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    The other side of it is if the ATF thinks the law is vulnerable at all they would want to only hit little people with it. Someone like him has the money and time to hire good lawyers, and appeal things as far as he has to. I don't know that's what is happening, but it is a thought.
     
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    That would have the opposite effect: It would embolden "the masses." You would get people protesting and whatnot. It could actually be a good thing to force this conversation more into the mainstream and force Trump's hand.

    I find it interesting that you're so adamant in your position about this but neither you nor anyone else can provide a single example of a firearms owner, famous or not, being charged under this law for buying or possessing recreational marijuana in a legal state in compliance with that state's law. Colorado is relatively gun-friendly and has had recreational marijuana since 2012 I believe. I guarantee at least 1 person, just in Colorado, is a gun owner who has purchased and consumed from a recreational dispensary there.

    Heller wasn't a rich guy as far as I know but he sure took the time and money to fight.
     
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    It doesn't always come down to that, but it is probably a consideration. I am not saying that's why this is being allowed in that case, it's just a possible scenario.
     
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    You just need to read the Ruling by BATF and the Form both we clear, very clear. I’m pointing that out but your argument since no one has been arrested it can’t be. Ok go with that good luck
     
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    I have read the ruling and the purchase form. What I'm saying is that we have had 6 or so years of legal recreational pot in the USA and not a single person has been popped--why would they start now? Yes it's the letter of the law but in the same way a cop would generally not pull someone over for 1MPH over the speed limit, this would likely not be prosecuted unless there's another reason to.
     
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    I have no doubt that our AG will use this at some point to drive Chiefs to start categorizing those who have admited tonuaing or those that have Medical uses, non suitable. It would be easy, you violate Federal law, you’re unsuitable for A firearms license. Of course right now every Federal Employee or those that have jobs that require testing for security reasons are still screwed, period.
     
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    How can the AG enforce Federal law and how does the AG control PD's if there's not a state law against it
     
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    Very easy, if you break the federal law you can be classified as unsuitable. Similair in the way if you work for a Company in Mass who’s HQ requires a drug test. Doesn’t mean shit if Mass allows it. Plus if you lie on a transfer form it’s done in the state and again you could be found unsuitable. Frankly I could give a shit less about who and who doesn’t smoke but I could see them using it as a Trojan horse to restrict more. But like I said go for it.
     
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    If I don't buy a gun (fill out the form) I haven't done anything illegal, unless there is something on the LTC (renewal) application regarding Cannabis I would say the AG would be SOL
     
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    Actually you break federal law by doing it anyway , the transfer is just one documented way to out you.
     
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    Where did I say anything about a transfer, only renewal of LTC
     
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    Purchase line 11E. Since you broke federal law you’d be unsuitable and your chief could deny you.
     
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    So I purchased a firearm in say 2016 (filled out the form), and I purchase Cannabis in 2019 the form is not a contract or a promise
     
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    So if you claimed you used you are in violation and if you lied and didn’t you’re in violation. Pretty simple but like I said smoke away. Personally I don’t and nor would I in these circumstances.
     
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    .....and I just saw an article the other day... MA state officials baffled why the illegal market for mary jane is still so robust.
     
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    If I didn't scan my ID in 2016 to buy Cannabis when I filled out the form (to purchase a firearm) but did scan my ID in 2019 to buy Cannabis, you're saying my signature (from 2016) is a felony 3 years later because I scanned my ID (2019) to purchase Cannabis
     

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