Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you applying to some sort of cop job?
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Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you applying to some sort of cop job?
The market was either Demoulis or Market Basket I believe. There is one other theory of why no one helped,assuming that people saw what was going on.
Let's say someone did stop and helped the woman and she was hurt in the process of the rescue by accident. A good liability lawyer could make a bundle with lawsuit claiming if "X" had minded his own business woman would not have be as severely injured. I don't know if Mass has a Good Samaritan law or not.
What kind of "proper training" is required to help a woman being raped? What else do you need to know?
Sigh... I'm not getting back into THIS topic again. I know this group has people that help strangers in danger and people that don't. What else is there to say??
Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley:
I've been looking for the artical, it was posted here a couple of months ago.
I can't seem to find it now.
Be careful what you wish for Martha.
this is nuts
i would have helped her. it could have been me.... it could be anyone here in that position-- unless you don't pull over for accidents
Having never been in that situation I can't answer honestly and no "lawsuit" would not be the first thought that crossed my mind. The question would bePlease don't tell me if you saw a woman being raped your first thought would be whether she would bring a civil suit against you if you helped her???
To put a lot of people at ease, the Massachusetts law only requires you to call the cops, sometime later.... here's the law-
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CHAPTER 268. CRIMES AGAINST PUBLIC JUSTICE
Chapter 268: Section 40. Reports of crimes to law enforcement officials
Section 40. Whoever knows that another person is a victim of aggravated rape, rape, murder, manslaughter or armed robbery and is at the scene of said crime shall, to the extent that said person can do so without danger or peril to himself or others, report said crime to an appropriate law enforcement official as soon as reasonably practicable.
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So there's certainly no duty to help a woman being raped. Your only duty is to make a phone call to the police, sometime later (provided of course that making such a call wouldn't put you in any peril)
okay, I have to stop! Sunday mornings are for chilling out, not getting riled up.
Having never been in that situation I can't answer honestly and no "lawsuit" would not be the first thought that crossed my mind. The question would be
how do I help without getting the victim and myself out of the situation without getting severely injured. As much as I hate to say it my days of rolling around on the ground wrestling with who knows what have long since
past.
Thank you for putting into words that I couldn't begin to come up with.There are some pretty big men behind some very little computer screens who feel that they must rush in and be Sir Galahad. Maybe if some of you sanctimonious wannbes would actually get off your hero-fantasy induced arses and actually THINK about what you are saying, then perhaps you can see that there are times, places and situations where you do not want to go in half-cocked. In these scenarios that somebody posts, we never have all the facts and it gets way, way too easy to spew moral indignation.
I swear that some of you will someday rush into a situation employ deadly force, overcome your perceived assailent and then find yourself with a manslaughter charge or worse because you misperceived the information your sensory input was providing you.
In the case cited, would I have assisted....most probably I would have, if I had OBSERVED what was going on, and I am of the opinion that was the main reason that there weren't more responses. Most people who are driving are observing the road conditions and not necessarily what's going on by the side of the road especially if an event is blocked by a vehicle, taking place in a vehicle or outside on the passenger side of a vehicle. Add to this our propensity for multi-tasking such as cell phone usage, and the number of people who are totally aware of their surroundings while driving becomes even more marginal. I know that some people will say "I always know what's going on and you are full of s**t." Well maybe you are that one exception.
Now some of you are going to write witty and not so witty little retorts to this post, no doubt or take the easier way out and give me a negative rep point for the first paragraph (if you do please be enough of a man or woman to sign it, anonymous negative rep points are really a form of cowardice, especially coming from people who talk big after the fact).
Unless you have been faced with a genuine life or death situation, you don't know what you will do. More than likely you will react the way you have been trained, but even that is dicey based on various and sundry psychological and even enviornmental dynamics. (watching helplessly while someone drowns because you can't swim would be an enviornmental dynamic, for instance).
I guess what gets me fired up, is that I have dealt with just too many wannabe gunshop/armchair commandos in my life who talk big, but in the context of their own behaviors are really quite small and self serving.
Davy Crockett was quoted as saying: "Be sure you're right and then go ahead." That's good advice. Obioviously the Hon. Mr. Crockett felt he was doing the right thing when he fought and was killed at the Alamo, so he was willing to pay the price because of his principles...just make sure that you are willing to pay the same price and more importantly accept the fact that be reacting in a certain manner you might also be mistaking your perception of reality with what is actually happening.
You can write or say anything you want, just make sure you aren't being a wannabe who is Monday Morning Quaterbacking it. You owe that much to yourself in my opinion.
Mark056
There are some pretty big men behind some very little computer screens who feel that they must rush in and be Sir Galahad. Maybe if some of you sanctimonious wannbes would actually get off your hero-fantasy induced arses and actually THINK about what you are saying, then perhaps you can see that there are times, places and situations where you do not want to go in half-cocked. In these scenarios that somebody posts, we never have all the facts and it gets way, way too easy to spew moral indignation.
I swear that some of you will someday rush into a situation employ deadly force, overcome your perceived assailent and then find yourself with a manslaughter charge or worse because you misperceived the information your sensory input was providing you.
In the case cited, would I have assisted....most probably I would have, if I had OBSERVED what was going on, and I am of the opinion that was the main reason that there weren't more responses. Most people who are driving are observing the road conditions and not necessarily what's going on by the side of the road. Add to this our propensity for multi-tasking such as cell phone usage, and the number of people who are totally aware of their surroundings while driving becomes even more marginal. I know that some people will say "I always know what's going on and you are full of s**t." Well maybe you are that one exception.
Now some of you are going to write witty and not so witty little retorts to this post, no doubt or take the easier way out and give me a negative rep point for the first paragraph (if you do please be enough of a man or woman to sign it, anonymous negative rep points are really a form of cowardice, especially coming from people who talk big after the fact).
I guess what gets me fired up, is that I have dealt with just too many wannabe gunshop/armchair commandos in my life who talk big, but in the context of their own behaviors are really quite small and self serving.
You can write or say anything you want, just make sure you aren't being a wannabe who is Monday Morning Quaterbacking it.
Mark056
There are some pretty big men behind some very little computer screens who feel that they must rush in and be Sir Galahad. Maybe if some of you sanctimonious wannbes would actually get off your hero-fantasy induced arses and actually THINK about what you are saying, then perhaps you can see that there are times, places and situations where you do not want to go in half-cocked. In these scenarios that somebody posts, we never have all the facts and it gets way, way too easy to spew moral indignation.
There are some pretty big men behind some very little computer screens who feel that they must rush in and be Sir Galahad. Maybe if some of you sanctimonious wannbes would actually get off your hero-fantasy induced arses and actually THINK about what you are saying, then perhaps you can see that there are times, places and situations where you do not want to go in half-cocked. In these scenarios that somebody posts, we never have all the facts and it gets way, way too easy to spew moral indignation.
I can't believe this crap. This country is falling apart because of week scared sheep. I would have gotten involved and one way or another that guy would have had a worse day then she did. My Hart goes out to that women and and her family. This type of thing really makes me sick.
Stuff like this has been going on for years.Way back in the 60's or 70's,sorry I forgot,a woman was repeatedly raped in a NYC alley in broad daylight and nobody came to her aid.The victim screamed the whole time and she saw literally hundreds pass by without even calling the cops.Nothing surprises me any more.
Charged in fast and screamed who wants to die first and when the group caught alook of my dog they ran for cover. Then all of a sudden the person that was being beaten stands up from behind the car and says no no no, these are my freinds, it's my birthday. Were just having fun. Great now i just stuck my face in where it did not belong. I was scared but i thought this kid was being killed.
What kind of "proper training" is required to help a woman being raped? What else do you need to know?
That she is indeed being raped and not an exhibitionist and masicist who gets off on public and violent sex for one.
Oh, come on! I think the crying & screaming is a good indicator.
I can't believe this crap. This country is falling apart because of week scared sheep. I would have gotten involved and one way or another that guy would have had a worse day then she did. My Hart goes out to that women and and her family. This type of thing really makes me sick.
I know that this is going to make me sound like a heartless fu&k, but I have a wife and kids to take care of and if The Man is going to continue to make it a crime in MA to help other people out (and you know that it would come to that, the "attacker" would be her husband, etc), I ain't stopping.
It will haunt me for the rest of my life.