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Correct me if I am wrong, but the ATF only enforces Federal Laws. MGL is not in their wheelhouse. Was anyone from Mass Public Safety running around with the Feds?
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Boston globe Mill article
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“massive ATF force descends on the mill after a gun sold there linked to straw purchase and gang shooting. No dealers from the mill were available for comment”
Not sure that’s better.
EMTDAD
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happens a lot where legislators create a law and leave it to the agencies to implement said law via regulations. I guess the thought is that the agencies are the "specialists" who know more about the practical ways to meet the law's requirements.
as we see in practice, that's not necessarily the case..
They don’t need to. They know the laws. If they want to refer something to the state they have a back channel for that.
Section 2: Unfair practices; legislative intent; rules and regulations
Section 2. (a) Unfair methods of competition and unfair or deceptive acts or practices in the conduct of any trade or commerce are hereby declared unlawful.
(b) It is the intent of the legislature that in construing paragraph (a) of this section in actions brought under sections four, nine and eleven, the courts will be guided by the interpretations given by the Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Courts to section 5(a)(1) of the Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. 45(a)(1)), as from time to time amended.
(c) The attorney general may make rules and regulations interpreting the provisions of subsection 2(a) of this chapter. Such rules and regulations shall not be inconsistent with the rules, regulations and decisions of the Federal Trade Commission and the Federal Courts interpreting the provisions of 15 U.S.C. 45(a)(1) (The Federal Trade Commission Act), as from time to time amended.
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Such a sick joke on Massachusetts citizens to be using this bullshit to deny the sale of one brand of handgun that is otherwise on the Approved Roster as good to go.
How does this apply to a post 98 Glock?
Explain it to me like I am Kamala.
Mesatchornug
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The office of the AG has used (c) to declare it so. Theoretically, they could probably go further, but making that adjustment now would probably draw novel scrutiny that might be harder to defend against.
IIRC, the claim hinged on insufficient loaded chamber indicator when they were before a judge before. That judge simply rubber-stamped it: sounds good; next!
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ok, on your knees first
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While I have no inside knowlege, I would half-expect that ATF will be scanning 4473's and be sharing that data with MA with the intention of formally investigating violations of MA firearms laws.
If they ever had wanted to do so, now would be that time.
Yeah, it’s like an advertisement for 3D printers.
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Asaltweapon
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I’m not sure I can act so stupid. She hit a new low over the astronauts story.
so, is there a 'massive ATF force' at the mill or not? what is all this about?
Rockrivr1
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I wasn't able to make it to the mill last night due to travel plans so when I got a call from the ATF on Tuesday they wanted to come do an inspection of my books and inventory. The guy was nice on the phone but was pushing for the inspection to be done last night. Guess they lined up a number of FFLs to take a look.
figures.
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The usual thugs doing the bidding of their masters. They will no doubt be looking for the smallest and most minute issue to screw over the FFL's
The Witch Hunt is on.
The Witch Hunt is on.
anyone see the Glob today, ATF has been swarming over the Mill this week
www.bostonglobe.com
Dozens of ATF inspectors descend on gun vendors at Littleton mill following dealer’s arrest - The Boston Globe
The 83 vendors in the building all face inspection in coming days.
www.bostonglobe.com
Someone called in a favor.
What would that accomplish? Let's say MA authorities find a 4473 for a Glock frame or an AR lower - so what? That's not against any law, state or federal.
See post 2,151anyone see the Glob today, ATF has been swarming over the Mill this week
Dozens of ATF inspectors descend on gun vendors at Littleton mill following dealer’s arrest - The Boston Globe
The 83 vendors in the building all face inspection in coming days.
Boston globe Mill article
The sky is not falling I’ve probably dealt with the ATF as an individual more then most of the mill “dealer” I doubt anyone is shitting their pants down there of the fact the ATF is coming. If I was ATF from my perspective it would just make my job easier to go down there, bang out 79 (or...
www.northeastshooters.com
I guess “One bad apple” only applies to LE, not us regular morons.
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Where was the atf & s/s when hunter biden lied on his form to buy a gun ?????
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Are you asking me what I would do if I was them?
Because I can think of a lot of things that I would do if I was them.
That is my starting point.
Are you going to pretend that they have no power and could't complicate your life if they only wanted to?
How big a boat would you have to buy a lawyer before you decided: F*ck It, I'm moving out of the state OR I'm dumping half of my gun collection?
I have a number. Do you?
The question is does harassing people who have acquired guns they don't personally approve of A) serve their political interests, and B) do they have the political will.
What is your answer to those questions?
"Under Massachusetts law, gun dealers can only sell Glocks to members of law enforcement. Prosecutors say Daigle attempted to skirt the law by selling the frames and slides of the Glocks separately, since Massachusetts law only regulates guns that are capable of firing bullets."
So is that illegal???
So is that illegal???
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First off, it is not "Massachusetts law" but "Massachusetts CMRs".
If the same dealer was selling both uppers and lowers for Glocks to the unspecial, it was a bad and foreseeably bad move.
And the CMR defined offense is not "gun sales" per se, but an "unfair and deceptive trade practice".
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I wonder if anyone who purchased one this way will be getting a visit?
