Boston globe Mill article

[rogersmithiii]

Littleton official tells angry residents 80-plus gun dealers in mill have complied with laws - The Boston Globe

The meeting followed a Globe report on Sept. 10 that the Mill houses the largest cluster of federally licensed firearms dealers in the nation and that many were openly defying Attorney General Maura Healey’s directives on the assault weapons ban.

www.bostonglobe.com

LITTLETON - The top town elected official, Matthew Nordhaus, insisted at a Wednesday meeting that a cluster of 80-plus gun dealers operating out of an industrial mill that were the subject of a Globe story have not been found to have committed any illegal activity — but he would not say if they had violated the attorney general’s controversial directives on the assault weapons ban.
Nordhaus, the Select Board chair, said the dealers “have met all requirements stipulated by the town,” and that the Littleton Police Department “has received no complaints of illegal, in-state sales by these dealers, nor has illegal activity been found during required inspections.”
The Globe reported on Sept. 10 that the Mill houses the largest cluster of federally licensed firearms dealers in the nation and that many were openly defying Attorney General Maura Healey’s directives on the assault weapons ban.
In 2016, Healey issued a controversial enforcement notice outlining how she would enforce the ban, threatening to bring charges against dealers who sold semiautomatic weapons with modifications meant to ensure that they didn’t meet the legal definition of a banned “assault weapon.” Such modifications had been an accepted practice in the trade for nearly two decades.
Healey has also said she would consider the sale of upper and lower receivers for these weapons — the parts of the gun that house the main operating mechanisms — the same as selling a complete assault weapon, even though the state does not regulate the sale of gun parts.

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But many in the gun community have insisted that her directives are not backed by state law, and are therefore unenforceable.
The Select Board of the 10,000-person town scheduled the Wednesday night meeting after an outpouring of concern from residents over the Globe’s story.
Roughly 70 people attended the meeting at the public library. . Nearly everyone who spoke was adamantly against the businesses — with one woman saying she stopped sending her sons to the music school inside the building, and another suggesting that the police chief be fired for issuing permits to so many gun stores.
But several residents expressed frustration that they hadn’t received any clarity on whether the vendors had actually violated the state’s assault weapons ban.
“I don’t know what Maura Healy’s interpretation of the law is, versus what the actual interpretation of the law is,” resident Julie Seitter said. “Is this breaking the law, or is Maura Healey incorrect from her assumption about the loopholes?”
Nordhaus declined to answer the question. When asked by the Globe after the meeting, he said, “I’m not going to say they haven’t done anything illegal. It’s a gray area.”
Numerous gun store owners from the Mill attended, but most stood quietly near the back. Only one spoke, William Parker of Battle Road Firearms. He defended the town officials and the police chief, saying “the businesses are permitted by right … There’s nothing that the town can do to stop it unless you change the law.”
He ended his statement by addressing pleas from the many parents at the meeting who said they didn’t want so many gun dealers near where they send their children to day care and school. “For anybody that’s very worried about the safety of their children in that building, everybody in there is permitted, licensed, background-checked a hundred ways from Sunday. So there are really a lot of very good people there,” Parker said.
Immediately prior to the meeting, the Select Board held a closed executive session to discuss purchasing the 100,000-square-foot mill building, which was put on the market after the longtime owner died in April.
Nordhaus declined to go into details of the discussion during the open meeting, but told residents the purchase “is something we could do if the town wills it.”
Healey, now the Democratic nominee and front-runner in the governor’s race, has continued to decline to comment on the Globe’s findings.
On Monday, Gov. Charlie Baker was asked about the Globe’s findings on WGBH. Baker responded, “It certainly seems to me like somebody should be talking to” to the dealers, but made clear that it was Healey’s responsibility to pursue the matter.
“Her rules, her regs,” Baker said. “The enforcement authority will belong to her. We would be in a position, certainly, to support the attorney general on this.”

I read about this when I was 5. Henny Penny, Foxie loxie, and the rest.
The mainstream press has absolutely no credibility. They are Pravda to the socialist Democrats.

 

[JJC]

Here is the archived link for the meeting:

Castus VOD Widget

littleton.vod.castus.tv

 

[rogersmithiii]

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The Mill made the news this morning should we be proud or worried

I get it. Just like 10 guns and 1000 rounds of ammo is an arsenal, 80 outranged Karens with bunched up little girl panties is an entire town.

 

[babygorilla]

My only question is, what can be done legally when no laws are being broken?

Can an FFL be revoked at any time for any reason?

No

 

[rogersmithiii]

Think about this.
In most gun shops, they won't let me touch a gun to even look at it, unless I have a license. That means anyone touching a gun in such places has been background checked by the feds. Since Massachusetts is a "may issue state", the police chief does his own background check. If you hang around with the wrong people, have had too many visits from the local Po Po, or have even been suspected of doing anything questionable, the chief will not issue the permit. In the past, I know some chiefs who wouldn't issue to minorities, women, and even LGBT people. That means the visitors to the mill, or any gun shop are a safer, higher quality people than the Karens who are up in arms, and screaming bloody murder. Any sex offender, drug addict / dealer, criminal, child molester can waltz into any day care center, Y, school, church or preschool without any checks. So why are they upset?

 

[safetyfirst2125]

Even the Globe knows the AG BS isn't the law. But they are promoting its enforcement anyway. That doesn't sound legal.

Liberals are predisposed to tyranny, so executive directives are like orders from the King for them.

It’s universally understood that laws are only for their political enemies.

Funny to note the point the one FFL who spoke at the meeting made: everyone in the Mill has been background checked repeatedly.

Fact is: The towns children are FAR safer at the Mill than in their own classrooms where pedophiles and groomers lurk.

 

[rogersmithiii]

No

I'm sure that the feds or police can come up with a reason to revoke an FFL if they so desire. I hear the ATF is doing just that, revoking FFLs for minor paperwork issues. It's all part of Biden's push for gun confiscation.

 

[JJC]

What is really disturbing is the complete ability of these people to disregard facts because "my feelings tell me so". Initially they piled on the "incomplete but approved applications" but once they were informed that they were redacted not incomplete, the same cryptkeeper shouts it's not true! It's incomplete.

"This town needs a coffee shop." You mean like Starbucks across the highway? You may have heard of them, they are unionized now.

The Facebook bullying and threats have to stop. These spinsters' cats see your negative posts and are very upset. Seriously. Who the hell uses Facebook? I think NES needs to stage an intervention for anyone that ever uses Facebook and gets within 100 feet of the Mill, or people.

 

[DW357]

Littleton official tells angry residents 80-plus gun dealers in mill have complied with laws - The Boston Globe

The meeting followed a Globe report on Sept. 10 that the Mill houses the largest cluster of federally licensed firearms dealers in the nation and that many were openly defying Attorney General Maura Healey’s directives on the assault weapons ban.

www.bostonglobe.com

LITTLETON - The top town elected official, Matthew Nordhaus, insisted at a Wednesday meeting that a cluster of 80-plus gun dealers operating out of an industrial mill that were the subject of a Globe story have not been found to have committed any illegal activity — but he would not say if they had violated the attorney general’s controversial directives on the assault weapons ban.
Nordhaus, the Select Board chair, said the dealers “have met all requirements stipulated by the town,” and that the Littleton Police Department “has received no complaints of illegal, in-state sales by these dealers, nor has illegal activity been found during required inspections.”
The Globe reported on Sept. 10 that the Mill houses the largest cluster of federally licensed firearms dealers in the nation and that many were openly defying Attorney General Maura Healey’s directives on the assault weapons ban.
In 2016, Healey issued a controversial enforcement notice outlining how she would enforce the ban, threatening to bring charges against dealers who sold semiautomatic weapons with modifications meant to ensure that they didn’t meet the legal definition of a banned “assault weapon.” Such modifications had been an accepted practice in the trade for nearly two decades.
Healey has also said she would consider the sale of upper and lower receivers for these weapons — the parts of the gun that house the main operating mechanisms — the same as selling a complete assault weapon, even though the state does not regulate the sale of gun parts.

​

But many in the gun community have insisted that her directives are not backed by state law, and are therefore unenforceable.
The Select Board of the 10,000-person town scheduled the Wednesday night meeting after an outpouring of concern from residents over the Globe’s story.
Roughly 70 people attended the meeting at the public library. . Nearly everyone who spoke was adamantly against the businesses — with one woman saying she stopped sending her sons to the music school inside the building, and another suggesting that the police chief be fired for issuing permits to so many gun stores.
But several residents expressed frustration that they hadn’t received any clarity on whether the vendors had actually violated the state’s assault weapons ban.
“I don’t know what Maura Healy’s interpretation of the law is, versus what the actual interpretation of the law is,” resident Julie Seitter said. “Is this breaking the law, or is Maura Healey incorrect from her assumption about the loopholes?”
Nordhaus declined to answer the question. When asked by the Globe after the meeting, he said, “I’m not going to say they haven’t done anything illegal. It’s a gray area.”
Numerous gun store owners from the Mill attended, but most stood quietly near the back. Only one spoke, William Parker of Battle Road Firearms. He defended the town officials and the police chief, saying “the businesses are permitted by right … There’s nothing that the town can do to stop it unless you change the law.”
He ended his statement by addressing pleas from the many parents at the meeting who said they didn’t want so many gun dealers near where they send their children to day care and school. “For anybody that’s very worried about the safety of their children in that building, everybody in there is permitted, licensed, background-checked a hundred ways from Sunday. So there are really a lot of very good people there,” Parker said.
Immediately prior to the meeting, the Select Board held a closed executive session to discuss purchasing the 100,000-square-foot mill building, which was put on the market after the longtime owner died in April.
Nordhaus declined to go into details of the discussion during the open meeting, but told residents the purchase “is something we could do if the town wills it.”
Healey, now the Democratic nominee and front-runner in the governor’s race, has continued to decline to comment on the Globe’s findings.
On Monday, Gov. Charlie Baker was asked about the Globe’s findings on WGBH. Baker responded, “It certainly seems to me like somebody should be talking to” to the dealers, but made clear that it was Healey’s responsibility to pursue the matter.
“Her rules, her regs,” Baker said. “The enforcement authority will belong to her. We would be in a position, certainly, to support the attorney general on this.”

So only one person on our side spoke last night?? Ugh. No issues talking to the globe and now an opportunity to defend our side and no one does. Wtf

 

[TLB]

Circular firing squad in full effect I see. SMH

 

[one-eyed Jack]

Don't pay any nevermind to all this shit. See my post #1241, 6:13 PM. yesterday. BTW, a FFL tenant called me yesterday afternoon to let me know that the Globe bitch was in the Mill and that they had cameras set up in the parking lot. He trespassed them and the Littleton PD escorted them off the property. Thanks to that tenant and the PD. Good reason to have another martini. Bottoms Up! Jack.

 

[one-eyed Jack]

So only one person on our side spoke last night?? Ugh. No issues talking to the globe and now an opportunity to defend our side and no one does. Wtf

That's because there is nothing to "defend". Jack.

 

[DW357]

That's because there is nothing to "defend". Jack.

Well silence on our side, might confirm the oppositions bias? We needed someone to shut down the Karen’s.

 

[babygorilla]

I'm sure that the feds or police can come up with a reason to revoke an FFL if they so desire. I hear the ATF is doing just that, revoking FFLs for minor paperwork issues. It's all part of Biden's push for gun confiscation.

That was not the question though.
Local po-po do not issue FFL's.

 

[Roadglide]

The senator then shows up and asks if the building as a whole is sold will the grandfathering go away.

Can’t say my experience with a business operating in a residential neighborhood as a pre existing non conforming structure (aka “grandfathered”) is an apples to apples comparison but I do know if that business in that situation were to sell to a new owner who kept the original business intact the grandfathering stays.

 

[EJFudd]

So only one person on our side spoke last night?? Ugh. No issues talking to the globe and now an opportunity to defend our side and no one does. Wtf

Well silence on our side, might confirm the oppositions bias? We needed someone to shut down the Karen’s.

Do you really think that any one of us (or many of us?) could have convinced even one anti-2A Littleton Karen that their thinking was wrong in regard to The Mill?

I only watched a little of the meeting last night, but I don't think the Karens were exactly open-minded on the topic.

 

[walter62]

Littleton residents outraged by gun shop cluster in old mill

The Littleton mill has become the largest collection of federally licensed gun dealers in the nation.

www.cbsnews.com

CBS 'report' from the meeting.

 

[vicorjh]

Littleton's planning board (earlier video) appears full of wokeness.

 

[DW357]

Do you really think that any one of us (or many of us?) could have convinced even one anti-2A Littleton Karen that their thinking was wrong in regard to The Mill?

I only watched a little of the meeting last night, but I don't think the Karens were exactly open-minded on the topic.

Very true. But that doesn't mean to sit and cower either. We can't keep getting steamrolled in this state.
Now I'm certainly not suggesting that any time the media gets involved we should do an interview to speak for our side.

 

[EJFudd]

Very true. But that doesn't mean to sit and cower either. We can't keep getting steamrolled in this state.
Now I'm certainly not suggesting that any time the media gets involved we should do an interview to speak for our side.

It's pure, irrational leftist emotion and fear over facts, truth and logic. That's a hard battle to win in moonbatty Massachusetts.

 

[btnh6668]

It's pure, irrational leftist emotion and fear over facts, truth and logic. That's a hard battle to win in moonbatty Massachusetts.

Indeed but when you only hear one side, that is what people will believe is the truth. As we have seen in other circumstances of late.

 

[EJFudd]

Indeed but when you only hear one side, that is what people will believe is the truth. As we have seen in other circumstances of late.

True. But have you ever met a deranged, lefty, anti-2A Karen from moonbatty Massachusetts who was open to changing her mind on the topic of Ga Ga Ga Guns?

I sure haven't.

 

[Roadglide]

It's pure, irrational leftist emotion and fear over facts, truth and logic. That's a hard battle to win in moonbatty Massachusetts.

While that is true never underestimate the power of facts truth and logic. I single handedly backed down a business with deep pockets, an attorney and an entire select board with nothing more than a high school education and facts. Every time they would screech irrationally I calmly presented facts and stayed in my lane. They were wetting their pants because I called them out in public with facts and they knew there was nothing they could do. The attorney got so pissed at me at one point he jumped up at a town meeting and yelled “I object to that!!!” The selectman chair just looked at him and said object to what this isn’t a courtroom he has a right to state his case. It was F’n priceless to see that bafoon drop his head in shame and sink into his chair.

 

[SwampYankee42]

Don't pay any nevermind to all this shit. See my post #1241, 6:13 PM. yesterday. BTW, a FFL tenant called me yesterday afternoon to let me know that the Globe bitch was in the Mill and that they had cameras set up in the parking lot. He trespassed them and the Littleton PD escorted them off the property. Thanks to that tenant and the PD. Good reason to have another martini. Bottoms Up! Jack.

I was there when that happened but didnt wanna mention it until someone involved did. It was pretty funny watching word of the incident spread while I did paperwork. Big mistake thinking the gruff (but very nice) guys in Ma**h*** firearms would allow their soy boy cameraman and clown makeup reporter anywhere near the vicinity.
The big concern seemed to be them harassing and questioning customers as they were leaving. Scumbags!

Too much excitement out east for my bumpkin self but it was quite a thrill

 

[Drix]

So only one person on our side spoke last night?? Ugh. No issues talking to the globe and now an opportunity to defend our side and no one does. Wtf

I think in order to speak you needed to be a citizen of the town or a busniess owner, which would explain why there weren't many to speak up.

 

[one-eyed Jack]

I was there when that happened but didnt wanna mention it until someone involved did. It was pretty funny watching word of the incident spread while I did paperwork. Big mistake thinking the gruff (but very nice) guys in Ma**h*** firearms would allow their soy boy cameraman and clown makeup reporter anywhere near the vicinity.
The big concern seemed to be them harassing and questioning customers as they were leaving. Scumbags!

Too much excitement out east for my bumpkin self but it was quite exciting

Anyone have pics? Be interesting if they went to Cabelas/Bass Pro and pulled this shit, talking to customers coming out. Jack.

 

[MainelyFree]

Well silence on our side, might confirm the oppositions bias? We needed someone to shut down the Karen’s.

Pretty sure no one is disputing the opposition’s “bias”.

 

[walter62]

I posted the video that went out 'on air' from CBS and the reporter, Ms. Chen.

 

[Asaltweapon]

I posted the video that went out 'on air' from CBS and the reporter, Ms. Chen.

So between the glob and CBS with a bunch of others we now have every single piece of scum around knowing that there’s lotsa guns there.
Great!!
... and some here won’t even put a simple gun related sticker of their vehicle.

 

[SwampYankee42]

I think in order to speak you needed to be a citizen of the town or a busniess owner, which would explain why there weren't many to speak up.

I asked about the meeting and this is 100% correct. Those who are not residents or business owners were being discouraged from going. I kind of understand, the last thing this incident needs is someone like myself with no public speaking pedigree to say something out of context or sloppy that goes "viral"
Probably not a bad look for some slovenly nutjob leftist with a trans kids shirt spouting off and getting eyerolls from the gen public as opposed to real hardline 2A talk being the focus