Boston globe Mill article

Thirwell1216 said:
This whole thread is a sad commentary on MA. If Maura becomes the Governer, she may try to set an example at the mill....Like anything else. If she doesn't have a real law to enforce, she'll make one up. Keep businesses tied up in paperwork for years.
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As a governor she might have less power than she does today.

Today she can at least threaten businesses and many will stop. As a governor I don't think she can do much, maybe hold a law hostage and threaten to not sign until they modify the AWB.

I am not sure what else she could do.
 
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Correct. While it is being put in cue here is the Planning Board meeting of 9/18/22 before it.
They acknowledge there is nothing they can do about existing FFLs.
The senator then shows up and asks if the building as a whole is sold will the grandfathering go away.
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FalArAk said:
I'm sure if the tenants had any say in the matter you would be right.

I'm also talking about the manufacturers.
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Lol.... most dealers /are/ licensed manufacturers these days.

Can the town or COP revoke a business license at any time?
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I'm sure lots of local officials could do "whatever they wanted..." but that doesn't mean that the action is, per se, actually legally defensible. If I was going to hazard a guess I would think that the actual officials don't really care, outside of the fact that a bunch of braying moonbats/karens are wasting their time... it's not like there's some kind of actual public safety issue here.

ETA: I mean to put things in perspective here a crosswalk not being painted properly might actually be a public safety issue versus a bunch of guys in a building engaging in legally permitted and regulated business that nobody knew were there until newspaper published a negative fluff piece about it....
 
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FalArAk said:
Just think, if a few people at the Mill would have just kept their mouths shit we would be arguing about titanium and pizza.
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The only thing I’ll say is how do we know if the globe didn’t send in moonbats or FUDDs with LTC’s and went in asking for X gun among other things?
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All moot now of course. Damage is done
 
FalArAk said:
My only question is, what can be done legally when no laws are being broken?

Can an FFL be revoked at any time for any reason?
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Generally speaking whether it's the state or the ATF nobody's getting their dealers license pulled if their business conduct is otherwise lawful. There are possibly other parliamentary hacks but that has nothing to do with being a dealer and keeping your nose clean.
 
FalArAk said:
Just think, if a few people at the Mill would have just kept their mouths shit we would be arguing about titanium and pizza.
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However, since no actual laws are being broken at the Mill, I understand the willingness to be transparent. But sometimes it’s just best not to engage.
 
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I wish someone had pointed out how the 57 fast food restaurants and convenience stores all selling low quality high calorie foods in Littleton are contributing to the obesity epidemic in the US and especially Littleton, and how there really should be a way to limit the number of convince stores to protect the children.

Or talked about how the mill already has dance studios and artists’ studios and the other things they want to put there.

Or how nobody seems to care about the four professional dominatrixes with full dungeons, or the six BDSM toy manufacturers. Three of the four photography studios at the mill advertise they’ll do erotic private sessions, and one doesn’t hide that they make porn.

Hell, there are two licensed distilleries in the mill, also inspected by the state and the ATF, but nobody is complaining about the danger of sex crimes or drunk driving or child abuse even though there’s also a daycare in the mill!

Why? Because nobody told them. These businesses are complete non-issues, because nobody even notices. They only care about the one industry that had an article written about it that worked them into a hysterical group-think frenzy.

Or maybe I made those business up out of whole cloth. Who can tell?
 
milktree said:
I wish someone had pointed out how the 57 fast food restaurants and convenience stores all selling low quality high calorie foods in Littleton are contributing to the obesity epidemic in the US and especially Littleton, and how there really should be a way to limit the number of convince stores to protect the children.

Or talked about how the mill already has dance studios and artists’ studios and the other things they want to put there.

Or how nobody seems to care about the four professional dominatrixes with full dungeons, or the six BDSM toy manufacturers. Three of the four photography studios at the mill advertise they’ll do erotic private sessions, and one doesn’t hide that they make porn.

Hell, there are two licensed distilleries in the mill, also inspected by the state and the ATF, but nobody is complaining about the danger of sex crimes or drunk driving or child abuse even though there’s also a daycare in the mill!

Why? Because nobody told them. These businesses are complete non-issues, because nobody even notices. They only care about the one industry that had an article written about it that worked them into a hysterical group-think frenzy.

Or maybe I made those business up out of whole cloth. Who can tell?
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So wait.

About this porn...
 
Shark_Cage said:
Someone told me if a town in Mass takes property by ED they have to pay fair market value. If that’s the case, that would be a big number I would think.
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That's not only true in Massachusetts, but everywhere in the US. But if you own the Mill, do you really want to trust a jury of Ma**h***s to determine the value?

milktree said:
Think about the *total* revenue though, not the rate.

If that place were filled with condos, the total value would be way higher than its current use, enough that the tax revenue is likely to go up.
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On the flip side, residential use comes with far more demands for town resources (like schools) than office/light manufacturing use.
 
milktree said:
I wish someone had pointed out how the 57 fast food restaurants and convenience stores all selling low quality high calorie foods in Littleton are contributing to the obesity epidemic in the US and especially Littleton, and how there really should be a way to limit the number of convince stores to protect the children.

Or talked about how the mill already has dance studios and artists’ studios and the other things they want to put there.

Or how nobody seems to care about the four professional dominatrixes with full dungeons, or the six BDSM toy manufacturers. Three of the four photography studios at the mill advertise they’ll do erotic private sessions, and one doesn’t hide that they make porn.

Hell, there are two licensed distilleries in the mill, also inspected by the state and the ATF, but nobody is complaining about the danger of sex crimes or drunk driving or child abuse even though there’s also a daycare in the mill!

Why? Because nobody told them. These businesses are complete non-issues, because nobody even notices. They only care about the one industry that had an article written about it that worked them into a hysterical group-think frenzy.

Or maybe I made those business up out of whole cloth. Who can tell?
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now that would've been a great use of the podium....
 
SBrackett said:
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However, since no actual laws are being broken at the Mill, I understand the willingness to be transparent. But sometimes it’s just best not to engage.
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Unfortunately we have true retards in our tribe and they are in the Mill and they talked to a big foreheaded bitch with pointy elbows because she’s a “gurl”. F you and you get what you f-ing deserve but shame on you for ruining it for everyone else. FU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Matt_SERE said:
Correct. While it is being put in cue here is the Planning Board meeting of 9/18/22 before it.
They acknowledge there is nothing they can do about existing FFLs.
The senator then shows up and asks if the building as a whole is sold will the grandfathering go away.
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Tonight's special Select Board Meeting video, Wednesday, Sept 28, 2022

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SBrackett said:
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However, since no actual laws are being broken at the Mill, I understand the willingness to be transparent. But sometimes it’s just best not to engage.
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Someone should invest in a "Loose lips sink ships" poster for the mill.

Put it right by the front door.
 
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Does anyone have a link to a video of the meeting.. I want to get my blood pressure elevated
 
Shark_Cage said:
Unfortunately we have true retards in our tribe and they are in the Mill and they talked to a big foreheaded bitch with pointy elbows because she’s a “gurl”. F you and you get what you f-ing deserve but shame on you for ruining it for everyone else. FU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe they thought they were adding "one to the ranks".
 
Matt_SERE said:
The link is 2 posts above your asking for it.
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Ya, don’t even bother watching that. You won’t be able to get a hard on for at least a week.

I love these people self identifying as Karens, “what about the children”

“My two sons go to Kelly’s dance class or whatever”

It was best nobody showed up to try to defend the mill…

To all those at the mill who let the globe even talk to them. You f***ed up

I wouldn’t stress too much, That was a joke of a meeting. I deal with left handed female officers and helicopters. Drones flying over my property..

Talk is cheap until it cost you money.
 
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Littleton official tells angry residents 80-plus gun dealers in mill have complied with laws - The Boston Globe

The meeting followed a Globe report on Sept. 10 that the Mill houses the largest cluster of federally licensed firearms dealers in the nation and that many were openly defying Attorney General Maura Healey’s directives on the assault weapons ban.
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LITTLETON - The top town elected official, Matthew Nordhaus, insisted at a Wednesday meeting that a cluster of 80-plus gun dealers operating out of an industrial mill that were the subject of a Globe story have not been found to have committed any illegal activity — but he would not say if they had violated the attorney general’s controversial directives on the assault weapons ban.
Nordhaus, the Select Board chair, said the dealers “have met all requirements stipulated by the town,” and that the Littleton Police Department “has received no complaints of illegal, in-state sales by these dealers, nor has illegal activity been found during required inspections.”
The Globe reported on Sept. 10 that the Mill houses the largest cluster of federally licensed firearms dealers in the nation and that many were openly defying Attorney General Maura Healey’s directives on the assault weapons ban.
In 2016, Healey issued a controversial enforcement notice outlining how she would enforce the ban, threatening to bring charges against dealers who sold semiautomatic weapons with modifications meant to ensure that they didn’t meet the legal definition of a banned “assault weapon.” Such modifications had been an accepted practice in the trade for nearly two decades.
Healey has also said she would consider the sale of upper and lower receivers for these weapons — the parts of the gun that house the main operating mechanisms — the same as selling a complete assault weapon, even though the state does not regulate the sale of gun parts.

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But many in the gun community have insisted that her directives are not backed by state law, and are therefore unenforceable.
The Select Board of the 10,000-person town scheduled the Wednesday night meeting after an outpouring of concern from residents over the Globe’s story.
Roughly 70 people attended the meeting at the public library. . Nearly everyone who spoke was adamantly against the businesses — with one woman saying she stopped sending her sons to the music school inside the building, and another suggesting that the police chief be fired for issuing permits to so many gun stores.
But several residents expressed frustration that they hadn’t received any clarity on whether the vendors had actually violated the state’s assault weapons ban.
“I don’t know what Maura Healy’s interpretation of the law is, versus what the actual interpretation of the law is,” resident Julie Seitter said. “Is this breaking the law, or is Maura Healey incorrect from her assumption about the loopholes?”
Nordhaus declined to answer the question. When asked by the Globe after the meeting, he said, “I’m not going to say they haven’t done anything illegal. It’s a gray area.”
Numerous gun store owners from the Mill attended, but most stood quietly near the back. Only one spoke, William Parker of Battle Road Firearms. He defended the town officials and the police chief, saying “the businesses are permitted by right … There’s nothing that the town can do to stop it unless you change the law.”
He ended his statement by addressing pleas from the many parents at the meeting who said they didn’t want so many gun dealers near where they send their children to day care and school. “For anybody that’s very worried about the safety of their children in that building, everybody in there is permitted, licensed, background-checked a hundred ways from Sunday. So there are really a lot of very good people there,” Parker said.
Immediately prior to the meeting, the Select Board held a closed executive session to discuss purchasing the 100,000-square-foot mill building, which was put on the market after the longtime owner died in April.
Nordhaus declined to go into details of the discussion during the open meeting, but told residents the purchase “is something we could do if the town wills it.”
Healey, now the Democratic nominee and front-runner in the governor’s race, has continued to decline to comment on the Globe’s findings.
On Monday, Gov. Charlie Baker was asked about the Globe’s findings on WGBH. Baker responded, “It certainly seems to me like somebody should be talking to” to the dealers, but made clear that it was Healey’s responsibility to pursue the matter.
“Her rules, her regs,” Baker said. “The enforcement authority will belong to her. We would be in a position, certainly, to support the attorney general on this.”
 
LITTLETON - The top town elected official, Matthew Nordhaus, insisted at a Wednesday meeting that a cluster of 80-plus gun dealers operating out of an industrial mill that were the subject of a Globe story have not been found to have committed any illegal activity — but he would not say if they had violated the attorney general’s controversial directives on the assault weapons ban.
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Even the Globe knows the AG BS isn't the law. But they are promoting it's enforcement anyway. That doesn't sound legal. [smile]
 
I guess my question would be that since all good things must come to an end, is there a plan going forward?
Is there a Mill Shop Owners group? Association or whatever?
Any thoughts on where you all might land if it gets bought out or suffers from Old Mill syndrome? Contingency plans?
I get that it's not simply retail as much as combined studio/maker space.
 
Boston Globe said:
In 2016, Healey issued a controversial enforcement notice outlining how she would enforce the ban, threatening to bring charges against dealers who sold semiautomatic weapons with modifications meant to ensure that they didn’t meet the legal definition of a banned “assault weapon.” Such modifications had been an accepted practice in the trade for nearly two decades.
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The Globe openly admits that her enforcement notice is well out of line with accepted legal practice.

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Healey has also said she would consider the sale of upper and lower receivers for these weapons — the parts of the gun that house the main operating mechanisms — the same as selling a complete assault weapon, even though the state does not regulate the sale of gun parts.
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The Globe openly admits Healey is trying to regulate something the state has no authority to regulate.

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Nearly everyone who spoke was adamantly against the businesses — with one woman saying she stopped sending her sons to the music school inside the building,
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Apparently if you're near a gun shop, you might get "a case of the gunz", and ... I'm not sure what happens next.


Boston Globe said:
But several residents expressed frustration that they hadn’t received any clarity on whether the vendors had actually violated the state’s assault weapons ban.
“I don’t know what Maura Healy’s interpretation of the law is, versus what the actual interpretation of the law is,” resident Julie Seitter said. “Is this breaking the law, or is Maura Healey incorrect from her assumption about the loopholes?”
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Listen Julie, if there's been zero enforcement, what do you think is the likely answer? I'd be embarrassed to say, "I don't know what the laws are, and I don't care enough to do any research."
 
240Geezer said:
I guess my question would be that since all good things must come to an end, is there a plan going forward?
Is there a Mill Shop Owners group? Association or whatever?
Any thoughts on where you all might land if it gets bought out or suffers from Old Mill syndrome? Contingency plans?
I get that it's not simply retail as much as combined studio/maker space.
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It is beginning to sound like "The Mill" (as we know it) was always known... or at least suspected... to have a finite lifespan. And I'm talking about the future plans for The Mill by the owners of The Mill, not anything to do with the current "turmoil" that the GlobeDimocRAT rag has sought to cause.

I, too, hope there is a succession plan brewing. [thumbsup]
 

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