ChevyGuy91
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I wouldn't give him that much credit.
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ATF New "White Paper" interesting reading!
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I wouldn't give him that much credit.
DarthRevan
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There is a lack of banana suits and skippy.
Create a White House petition
I see lots of people questioning/commenting on this post.
I believe it is real because the ATF has NOT issued a statement stating its is fake.
That being said, why not take it to the next level !
Create a White House petition requesting that the ATF act in the recommendation outlined in the white paper.
Fake or not, this way the white paper and recommendation's gets national coverage and attention and it opens up for possible action by the White House.
Maybe GOAL can create the petition so they get credit and make people more aware of their organization.
If not them, then anyone else can!
I see lots of people questioning/commenting on this post.
I believe it is real because the ATF has NOT issued a statement stating its is fake.
That being said, why not take it to the next level !
Create a White House petition requesting that the ATF act in the recommendation outlined in the white paper.
Fake or not, this way the white paper and recommendation's gets national coverage and attention and it opens up for possible action by the White House.
Maybe GOAL can create the petition so they get credit and make people more aware of their organization.
If not them, then anyone else can!
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Horrible
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Correct. Not fake news.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...rector-ban-import-assault-rifles-nonsensical/
That's my point. The power accumulates to the office. The person holding the office changes. Don't give the office more power just because you like the guy in it. The guy in it changes every 4 years.
People have been saying this in earnest since the 19th Amendment was passed and nothing has slowed down the power creep. It's time to take the opportunity to abuse the power while we have it and make it impossible for the libs to change anything back without starting a physical civil war on top of the ongoing cultural war.
I view this ATF white paper as a meaningless plea: "please don't fire us Mr. President," until real policy changes are made.
Nope.
It's worthless though to abuse executive to fix gun rights- because when the next socialist ****wit gets in (and you can be sure there will be more of those) they will just undo everything the last president did.
We need broad based law changes to GUT AUTHORITY away from the ATF. Large chunks of it, gone. Gun imports should only be regulated by hard law, if at all.
It's bad enough that we have shit like the Clinton and Bush Sr. EO bans from the 80s and 90s on the books that could be rescinded in 10 seconds by Trump but he hasn't done so yet. It'll be interesting to see whether or not the gun mafia gets to him. (the protectionist types in the gun industry that love import bans).
-Mike
Hiram Percy Maxim, the person that invented and filed a patent for them called it the Maxim Silencer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_Percy_Maxim
Personally I would like to see the entire agency deep sixed.
Every last one of them gone.
Most if not all of them should be barred from ever holding another government job again.
Some of us older guys have a long memory and the list of abuses perpetrated by those monkeys over the span of a number of presidents would fill a shelf at the library.
Every last one of them gone.
Most if not all of them should be barred from ever holding another government job again.
Some of us older guys have a long memory and the list of abuses perpetrated by those monkeys over the span of a number of presidents would fill a shelf at the library.
MaverickNH
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If you shoot a suppressed 22lr in the woods and nobody hears it, did you shoot a gun?
Yup. In order of "difficulty to change", we have:
- Regulations - Easy to change by some policy nitwit putting forth a new regulation, with or without plausible knowledge from the people in charge.
- Executive Orders - Easy to change when a new president comes in and wipes out the previous actions. However, they can have the effect of changing the status quo for a period of time.
- Laws - More difficult to change. A controversial law would need super-majority in the senate at least. The president could veto, so you'd either need to hold the presidency or have a veto-proof majority.
- Supreme Court ruling on constitutionality - Extremely hard to change. The Supreme Court does not like to overrule their own precedents.
- The Constitution - Nearly impossible to change, and hasn't been attempted for anything in decades.
While regulations and EOs might be nice now and have some benefits, we really need to get a supreme court ruling on our side to throw out the Massachusetts crap as unconstitutional.
Earliest use of "suppressor" in USA was Patent 4530417, July 23, 1985
The first recorded use of the term "suppressor" dates back about thirty-some years, the ATF usually calls them silencers, e.g. in the BATFE terminology site.
See reply #9. Jan Kemp, spokeswoman for the ATF, has authenticated the document as coming from associate deputy director Ronald B. Turk
Chicago Tribune said:
Only the last one is a bad thing. The Obama administration was denying FFL to people who want FFL based on the fact that they were gun show dealers. The AP ammo classification wouldn't change anything except allowing manufacturers to make rifle AP ammo. That's the best the ATF can do without a repeal of the law banning handgun AP ammo.
Dennis in MA
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Forget silencer/suppressor. I have it on good authority that the proper historical terminology for "gun" as defined as a man-portable weapon in the 50-cal-or-under category is SUPPOSED to be called a Shooty-Stick.
Never in my life have I so wanted people to debate 45/9. Just to stop this silencer/suppressor stuff. LOL
Never in my life have I so wanted people to debate 45/9. Just to stop this silencer/suppressor stuff. LOL
But what about .40? Is it good enough for a bear?
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Next time some Snowflake claims that nobody uses so called "Assault Weapons" for sporting or hunting, we can now provide this quote direct from the ATF:
"Since the sunset of the Assault Weapons ban in 2004, the use of AR-15s, AK-style, and similar rifles now commonly referred to as 'modern sporting rifles' has increased exponentially in sport shooting. These firearm types are now standard for hunting activities."
Ronald Turk, Chief Operating Officer, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
Options to Reduce or Modify Firearms Regulations
January 20, 2017
And to keep it handy, it's now my signature.
"Since the sunset of the Assault Weapons ban in 2004, the use of AR-15s, AK-style, and similar rifles now commonly referred to as 'modern sporting rifles' has increased exponentially in sport shooting. These firearm types are now standard for hunting activities."
Ronald Turk, Chief Operating Officer, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF)
Options to Reduce or Modify Firearms Regulations
January 20, 2017
And to keep it handy, it's now my signature.
amm5061
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You're forgetting that's a fact. A good liberal never lets facts get in the way of his/hers/its/whatever violent emotional outbursts. Expect this to simply be disregarded when you bring it up.
