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ATF Agents Raid Home of Youtube Gun Personality FPSRussia
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Primus, the place you went wrong in this thread is right here:
FPSRussia is a businessman. He makes money by posting videos on Youtube and collecting ad revenue (plus he sells t-shirts etc). If he doesn't "flaunt" his stuff on the Internet, he doesn't make a living.
I think the fundamental issue many have with your attitude is that you seem to be assuming that he has done something illegal, when the article shows that no evidence of illegal activity was found despite a 40 person raid on his home. His rights were trampled upon in a vain attempt to find something illegal, and they found nothing at all. The ATF should not be raiding people's houses just because they think there might be something illegal.
PrimusTactical said:
FPSRussia is a businessman. He makes money by posting videos on Youtube and collecting ad revenue (plus he sells t-shirts etc). If he doesn't "flaunt" his stuff on the Internet, he doesn't make a living.
I think the fundamental issue many have with your attitude is that you seem to be assuming that he has done something illegal, when the article shows that no evidence of illegal activity was found despite a 40 person raid on his home. His rights were trampled upon in a vain attempt to find something illegal, and they found nothing at all. The ATF should not be raiding people's houses just because they think there might be something illegal.
Rad- did i say anywhere that i agree with him? No. I just get tired of seeing anyone with an opposing opinion get shit on. Why not just stay on topic? He has his opinion, i strongly disagree so maybe i say that, then move on. No reason to derail everything.
PrimusTactical
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Correct. Again, PLEASE DON'T TURN THIS INTO OUI THREAD, my point in the thread was that the COURTS (same courts he just quoted about any person can have the same weapons the military does) said the checkpoints are legal. Your proving my point, I believe in LEGAL stuff.
PrimusTactical
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I agree. But again, from the other side of the equation (guy trying to find bad guys), like I said previously if he posts thing that look illegal (big BOOMS) then it may be P/C to get he warrant to go search. Again, it's using the legal system. I understand he is a business man, that's awesome he his. How many guys on here watch what they say about what they own because they don't want to get in trouble? It's the same thing... and I'll try one last time... I never said if i thought anything was legal/illegal good/bad.
Legal dosn't always mean right. I could hop in on this dogpile but i think MLAboss said it best:
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ntomsw
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FPSRussia can do whatever he wants, with anything that he owns.
This Government has gone FR.
The only thing they wanted to do was check out any toys he may or may not have had. Period.
This Government has gone FR.
The only thing they wanted to do was check out any toys he may or may not have had. Period.
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That's a win.
PrimusTactical
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Not trolling for anything, ever actually. I know guys don't believe that because they come in on page 48 and they see "PT u suck!! u are so against me and my rights! You shoot puppies! etc. etc." That's the problem with forums sometimes. There have been numerous guys in this thread and others that have said the same thing I do, the guy who is down the middle on stuff get s shouted down by other guys and labeled a anti or something else. It's all or nothing on here sometimes. It's either pro gun for everyone with everything at everytime, or nothing for anyone and everyone is slaves. That sucks.
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I agree, takes more then just a video, but I'm sure there is thousands of videos of him doing it. And it's not a video from 10 years ago.. he makes videos often enough that a resonable person would believe that he has a stock pile on hand somewhere. Your opinion? You have alot of experience and I'm trying to gain it so I'm curious what you think.
Is it me, or has there been an abundance of posts lately from people who "never post here anymore"?
Big booms are not evidence of illegal activity. He's out on private land, setting off explosions with Tannerite, which is completely legal. If they used the Tannerite explosions in his videos as PC for a search warrant, then that is 100% complete and utter BS.
We have an entire subforum dedicated to showing off people's guns (Gun Gallery). People talk about what they own all the time. Posting pictures of legal activities and/or items Internet should not be probable cause for a search warrant, and in 99.99% of cases it isn't. This is a case of a search warrant being granted on the flimsiest of grounds.
PrimusTactical
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There have. More and more threads I see guys popping up with that same statement and I get PMs with the same statement too.
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I have noticed that too.
Define reasonable.
Also, since when is stockpiling illegal or indicative of criminal intent?
PrimusTactical
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Again, I personally don't know anything then what is in the article that we all saw. It states that was the reason. Not saying good/bad, I'd need to see/know more. Just saying it's possible to get jammed up with posting illegal stuff and it's not good.
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Only if there is a limit to the amount you can have. This article was talking about Tennerite is legal to have up to a certain amount. So I guess stockpiling anything over x amount of lbs would become illegal.
I think you missed my point.
PrimusTactical
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I'm certain I did. I assum you may have meant something negative about it (you didn't elaborate). But either way what you said is true, there are more guys posting on here saying they never post anymore because it's all or nothing. I don't know these guys but they are coming out and saying it...
IIRC, the only law against the use of tannerite is a state law in Maryland.
There are no laws limiting the amount you can use.
Obviously posting illegal stuff is dumb. That is irrelevant to this topic because nothing FPSRussia posted was illegal. There is not a limit to how much Tannerite you can have, only how much you can mix in a single batch. Before it is mixed, Tannerite is not considered an explosive.
The fact that you are unwilling to express an opinion on whether this situation is good or bad is exactly why you are catching so much flak. This is a clear example of a pointless search that accomplished nothing other than wasting resources and invading someone's home. That is bad, and if you cannot recognize or acknowledge that then you really need to think hard about why that is.
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He makes you tube videos..
Doesn't that make him a de facto "film company" and thus exempt from all laws everywhere? If mark Wahlberg as a convicted felon is able to run around with machine guns blowing up crap, as a convicted felon... Why not this guy. Granted, he is not as good an actor..
Doesn't that make him a de facto "film company" and thus exempt from all laws everywhere? If mark Wahlberg as a convicted felon is able to run around with machine guns blowing up crap, as a convicted felon... Why not this guy. Granted, he is not as good an actor..
I don't think this is correct.
Tannerite is a binary product. Federal law restricts the amount of pre-mixed powder, not the total amount you can have.
FPSRussia could have five tons of the stuff as long as it's not mixed.
FPSRussia could have five tons of the stuff as long as it's not mixed.
