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AR's with a fixed mag can be sold in MA.??

Discussion in 'Massachusetts Laws' started by slugworth, Sep 7, 2016.

  1. slugworth

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    Saw this on Facebook from a dealer in Westside.
     
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    Didn't know they existed. Why would anyone buy an AR with a fixed magazine?
     
  3. slugworth

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    I guess to make them MA legal??
     
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    Or CA legal. Or NY legal. Or CT legal.
     
  5. bill o

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    Link? This sounds entertaining.
     
  6. slugworth

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    It was Facebook so not sure if tha link would work. But I grabbed screen shots.

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  7. BREWINZ

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    Looks like they have an A2 birdcage though. Hmm..
     
  8. dreadedtrash

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    I could be wrong (and probably am), but could one also get one of those ugly ass stocks to get rid of the pistol grip? Or was that one of the "evil accessories" that no longer defines a "weapon of war"?
     
  9. slugworth

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    I noticed that as well.
     
  10. hminsky

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    According to the ever changing "enforcement note", the test of "interchangeability" is now


    Note that having a roll pin and a spring which are the same size as on an AR15 could make your rifle into a banned assault weapon.
     
  11. bill o

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    I think the facebook page is making a misinterpretation of Healey's disinterpretation. It's a circle of uselessness.
     
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  12. slugworth

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    That's what I figured too. These still have interchangeable parts to a banned weapon. So these would also be banned correct??
     
  13. Sawicki1991

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    I could be wrong but if I remember correctly semi autos with a fixed magazine are exempt from the AWB. That's why SKS are aloud to have their flash hider and even a folding stock.
     
  14. slugworth

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    I think she is an FFL dealer..

    But if they have found a way to sell them great!!!
     
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    The actual definition in the MGL (not one of the the AG's many flawed interpretations, but the actual law) specifically excludes, among other things, "any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition." With that in mind it would stand to reason that the AG's extra-legal feature test would not apply to such a rifle. Of course we're not living in reasonable times.


    Cite: https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section121
     
  16. peterthefish

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    "Cannot accept" - I'm thinking you'd need to do more than bullet button it in for this to fly...
     
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    Is that what they're doing? Can't tell from the pics....
     
  18. slugworth

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    So you pin a 30rnd pre ban mag in it....
     
  19. bill o

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    There's a new CA-compliant design with a mag release that simply doesn't work from the outside. To load, you pull a little cord attached to the takedown pin, then hit an internal lever that releases the mag (or top-load it). Maybe it's this design?

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    If you can pin it, you can unpin it. The only way to win the AG game is to not play.
     
  20. Sawicki1991

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    Or pin a 100 round beta.
     
  21. Carl in Ct

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    If they find a way to load them with stripper clips maybe. Of course at that point you just have a 5.56 SKS with a better barrel and trigger, etc. The only way I could see stripper clips working is like they show in the pics, the upper swinging out of the way to access the fixed mag. Not sure if a guide could be worked into it somehow. Still, half disassembling the rifle to reload with stripper clips is not good. I'd rather just have a SKS at that point.

    Is the MA law not restrictive to round count in fixed mags? In CT the fixed mag still has to be 10 rounds or less to not be an AW unless it's a tube feed rimfire rifle.
     
  22. Shire Guy

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    From the AG's enforcement notice:

    "If a weapon, as manufactured or originally assembled, is a Copy or Duplicate under one or both of the applicable tests, it remains a prohibited Assault weapon even if it is altered by the seller. Therefore, a Copy or Duplicate will be treated as an Assault weapon even if it is altered, for example, by pinning the folding or telescoping stock in a fixed position, by removing the pistol grip, by removing a bayonet mount or flash suppressor, or by preventing the weapon from accepting a detachable magazine."
     
  23. slugworth

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    Well I quess that answers that.
     
  24. Carl in Ct

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    Wow, so a single shot AR with no mag at all would be illegal in MA.
     
  25. jasons

    jasons Moderator Moderator NES Life Member NES Member

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    The AG's "enforcement notice" can't change what the actual law says. That goes way beyond her role as an interpreter. If the mag don't fit, you must acquit.
     
  26. bill o

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    The great trick she has pulled is changing what the law says in the minds of most gun owners. I never would have believed there'd be such a enthusiastic rush to comply with a Globe opinion piece.

    The only thing she has actually done is "virtue signaling" (look it up) her position on banning guns.
     
  27. jasons

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    Yep. There are people who are eating her "guidance" up with a spoon, even when it's clearly contradictory to the actual law. "Yay, we can buy MP-22s now!"
     
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    Just go get an M1A carbine and be done with it.
     
  29. MAJoe

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    According to the law, no. According to the AG, yes. A bolt action 22 rimfire upper on a standard AR lower with the magwell welded shut would be banned since the lower meets her criteria for interchangeable parts. Cool, huh?
     
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    A hunk of aliumunun is now illegal. What makes people think adding a pin will change that.
     

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