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Active Shooter El Paso Texas August 3rd 2019
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Buck F
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With the exception of those who have actually been in the situation (combat vets, a minority of LEO who have experienced it), none of us knows how things will play out or how we’ll react. I’m with you on not being a sheepdog moving towards gunfire unless my kids are in harms way. My theory is protect yourself/loved ones and that will most likely be best achieved by 1. getting out of there or 2. Hiding. Definitely don’t want to go up against a rifle w/ a carry gun. That being said, if I’m hidden under a table somewhere sucking my thumb, I’d be carrying than not - still might not make it out alive but will have a better chance than if not carrying.
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How does a "Gun Free Zone" work in a Mall where the anchor stores like Walmart and Dick's SELL guns...?
For example: Pheasant Lane Mall (Nashua, NH) has a Dick's and they sell long guns and ammo.
PLM is a Simon's Mall and has a "GFZ" Policy.
For the record, this may be the only thing that I support about Dicks. (Until the FUDD Board of Directors say they are stopping sales...)
For example: Pheasant Lane Mall (Nashua, NH) has a Dick's and they sell long guns and ammo.
PLM is a Simon's Mall and has a "GFZ" Policy.
For the record, this may be the only thing that I support about Dicks. (Until the FUDD Board of Directors say they are stopping sales...)
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Thought I read a stat somewhere, Juarez MX averaged 200 murders A MONTH last year.
Creep was living with grandparents in Allen, Tx outside Dallas. That's a long drive. Father is a mental health counselor. Registered Democrat but statements to police, online activity, manifesto are all cartoonishly over the top caricatures of right wing positions. Smells to high heaven.
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DispositionMatrix
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No, but If security personnel or a mall representative inform you of the policy, ask you to leave, and you do not comply, you could be jammed up on a trespassing charge.
Of course, said personnel could simply make a frantic man-with-a-gun call to the authorities to try to get someone they have detected carrying killed.
fencer
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03 Marine here. Take this for what it's worth, which admittedly is what most internet posts are worth.
But, I think most folks seriously underestimate the advantage a rifle has over any side arm. At 30 yards, even a 10/22 has an advantage over a pistol. A rifle round will pass through most of what is on the shelves and still be lethal. A 9mm hollow point will likely not.
Your best bet, and even this is a long shot, is to try and ambush the shooter at very close range. Hide in a clothes rack, wait for shooter to close or pass, then engage. If you don't neutralize the target with a single magazine, your chances for success plummet. If the target can get his muzzle swung around to engage you, your chances for success plummet. Even vs. a noob with a POS AK.
I think the biggest challenge would be to maintain control over yourself. Your adrenaline will be raging, your heart pounding and palms sweating. You may suffer tunnel vision and the report from his rifle will be deafening if he is close. Add to that the screaming and yelling, people scrambling, running and freaking out.
Again. Take the above for what it is worth. But I think I am going to start carrying more often with a round that starts with a 4. Shit like this is the new reality in America. And while I like my PM9 and Sig 365 and 320, I will feel just a little more comfortable with a full sized 1911 and three spare mags in a shoulder rig.
I worry about copy cats. If another white kid decides to reduce the immigrant population...How long before Latin gangs decides to retaliate ? And they are not going to do it in downtown brown town. They are going to roll up to suburbia. And they are nationwide. If they pull it off with any type of coordination, the ringing you hear in the back ground will be the alarm on the go time clocks. Tin Foil hat? Maybe. Spare box of 45 in the truck? Definitely.
depends on the profit margin, we both know that morality or law has absolutely nothing to do with this.
richc
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Sometimes it's just the optics of the situation. Like Jeff Bezos buying a personal yacht that cost $400 million while his employees bathroom breaks are measured to the second...
I had a respected, published, doctorate, expert in mental health confirm for me that "on the lower levels" the mental health industry is highly attractive to, and has a disproportionate number of, people with mental health problems..... so a mental health counselor is far more likely to have mental health issues than the average person. Now imagine this person is you father, how F'd up would you be?
But in NH the cops would respond with "but what is he doing with the gun? Just carrying it. Then I suggest you not assault him and MYOB."
This is my point, I ignore signs in mass because they mean nothing to me. Until someone asks me to leave, I am in the clear. So in NH there is no reason to not carry, and no reason to respect a sign like that. The texas thing is thorny because if it is only a $200 fine then honestly, screw it, I would carry anyway. But I am not a lawyer and do not know if there is another law somewhere that ties in and could jam you up.
Jason Flare
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I suspect that fewer people carry in gun free zones in Texas because the laws against it provide a greater penalty than the laws in MA and NH.
Because generally good people try to follow the letters of the law.
Because generally good people try to follow the letters of the law.
Here is a discussion about this. 5.56 vs 9mm penetration question It's more to do with whether the bullet is the same construction and what the media is that the bullet is impacting than if it's a pistol or rifle round. The rifle definitely has an advantage the further the distance and if body armor is involved.
I'm not so sure they're really afraid of the NRA since the NRA supports infringements pretty much just like they do. The NRA backed Trump and he gave us the bump stock ban and ERPO's. Wayne and his cronies were more interested in enriching themselves and by playing gun owners against the threat of dems gun control he was able to do so.
Corey Booker just said "shithole countries" in reference to Trump on Meet the Press, and NBC DIDN'T BLEEP IT OUT!!!!!
Parade of hurt feelings on Meet the Press.
They’re pissy because Mulvaney actually responded to what the previous guests said, instead of politely letting the show interview him in a vacuum. I don’t think the show intended for him to hear them.
They weren’t prepared for that, and it was awesome.
Not on the federal level but his take the guns first, due process later led to a flurry of them in the states.
Over the years the NRA has rated politicians like Harry Reid as A and given us gun control. The A's of the NRA only would be rated about a C or lower by GOA. As I said I don't think they really feared the NRA and in fact I think they tended to play good cop bad cop in order to enrich all those involved. The NRA, Dems and RINO's.
Yes, they would be remarkable but they should have been that way all along yet instead they've supported infringements all along.
Yes I agree the NRA should be reformed but unfortunately I'm concerned that they've become too corrupted by the money and power in DC and are unlikely to do so. LaPierre should have stepped down already but he hasn't.
I'm a Patron life member of the NRA but until they recognize what shall not be infringed means they will get no more money from me. The GOA is much closer to what I want in a pro-gun organization.
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