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Active Shooter El Paso Texas August 3rd 2019

drgrant said:
Little douche jr is sent to counseling and told to swallow some drugs that nobody knows will work or not...
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Or they might just deaden junior's ability to empathize with other human beings. I want to know what this guy was on. I always want to know what they're on. Both things are happening at the same time--missing mental health treatment and prescribing things like SSRI's that, for some people, make senseless acts of violence possible.
 
CTsupra said:
I havent kept up with the reading in here but has it been confirmed this dude was a leftist or a righty?
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Registered Dem, but his manifesto and online presence was almost a satire of right wing stuff. Clown could very well be a nihilist sitting back and laughing at everyone arguing and fighting over his motivations for committing the atrocity (like the New Zealand creep). Or he could have gotten on the Trump train and gone nuts. Or he could be a lefty Moby pretending to be right wing to help his own team. We don't know anything other than the fact he is a psycho.
 
Dadstoys said:
The "We're going to take care of it " comment got the hair on the back of my neck standing up.
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I have a feeling we are predetermined victims already. Not good at all!

The real American carnage - The Boston Globe
America is sick. And it’s getting sicker.

Sick with hate, sick with rage. Sick with warped masculinity, sick with Internet-fueled radicalization and social isolation. Sick with racism, sick from social media that has breathed new life into old prejudices.

And sick, of course, with guns.

In one sense, the two mass shootings this weekend within 24 hours of each other, which left 20 dead at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, and at least another nine dead near a bar in Dayton, Ohio, don’t tell us anything we don’t already know: We’re in the midst of a national outburst of mass gun violence, overwhelmingly at the hands of young, white men.

Just this year, 125 people have died and scores more wounded in 22 mass-fatality events in the United States, and yet the political system remains incapable of delivering any meaningful steps to reduce access to assault weapons, ammunition, and other weapons of war. We need a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, universal background checks, and legislation to remove the gun industry’s special exemption from liability so it can be held accountable for the devastation caused by its products. Yet even a modest effort to tighten background checks for gun-buyers is stuck in the Republican-controlled Senate.
 
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10thSFFD said:
I have a feeling we are predetermined victims already. Not good at all!

The real American carnage - The Boston Globe
America is sick. And it’s getting sicker.

Sick with hate, sick with rage. Sick with warped masculinity, sick with Internet-fueled radicalization and social isolation. Sick with racism, sick from social media that has breathed new life into old prejudices.

And sick, of course, with guns.

In one sense, the two mass shootings this weekend within 24 hours of each other, which left 20 dead at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, and at least another nine dead near a bar in Dayton, Ohio, don’t tell us anything we don’t already know: We’re in the midst of a national outburst of mass gun violence, overwhelmingly at the hands of young, white men.

Just this year, 125 people have died and scores more wounded in 22 mass-fatality events in the United States, and yet the political system remains incapable of delivering any meaningful steps to reduce access to assault weapons, ammunition, and other weapons of war. We need a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, universal background checks, and legislation to remove the gun industry’s special exemption from liability so it can be held accountable for the devastation caused by its products. Yet even a modest effort to tighten background checks for gun-buyers is stuck in the Republican-controlled Senate.
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Did the Globe say that it wanted gun manufacturers to be held accountable ? wat
 
rocket500 said:
I think after the shooting in New Zealand we are going to be seeing anti gun loons killing people as martyrs for gun control. May have already started here.
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I agree and it is ultimate hippocrisy.

Lets create the demand for gun control by increasing the supply of mass shootings.

Someone mentioned it earlier in this thread about the parallel to Christine Ford and I think it is spot on. It is so easy to get yoir point across, just do exactly what you say you are opposed to.
 
10thSFFD said:
I have a feeling we are predetermined victims already. Not good at all!

The real American carnage - The Boston Globe
America is sick. And it’s getting sicker.

" overwhelmingly at the hands of young, white men."

"Just this year, 125 people have died and scores more wounded in 22 mass-fatality events in the United States".
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So I guess we aren't counting Chicago as part of the US anymore, because that city alone is over 125 this year and the vast majority were minority on minority killings.
 
Guys, not two, THREE shootings. The last one in CA went down the memory hole already. That loon was on Valium, hated pretty much everyone, had white supremacist & Islamist propaganda in his personal items, and worked fairly hard to circumvent federal & state laws.

Kind of like the Antifa nut that attacked the ICE facility in Washington State. Or the mass gang shooting of a block party in New York City that never made the national news despite being almost as bad as what happened in Dayton, OH today.

Edit: Actually it is FOUR because of the NYC atrocity occurring the same weekend as the Gilroy, CA one.
 
drgrant said:
There's also the whole "armed citizen guy is at walmart with his 2 kids and hears gunfire across the store" guess what, he's getting his kids the f*** out of that store via the nearest exit, away from the gunfire, not running into it...

-Mike
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The amount of posts shitting on “good guys” is appalling. Good guys protect their families first, others second.
 
Meet the hero soldier who saved children's lives during the El Paso Walmart shooting
A 22-year-old Army automated logistics specialist assigned to the 504th Composite Supply Company, 142nd Combat Support Sustainment Battalion, 1st Armored Division Sustainment Brigade at Fort Bliss, Texas, Oakley had been shopping at a sporting goods store inside the Cielo Vista Mall in El Paso when a young child burst into the store shouting about an active shooter at the nearby Walmart.

"The guy at the register and I sort of looked at each other," Oakley told Task & Purpose in a phone interview on Saturday. "He's a little kid ... are you going to believe him?"

The threat was very real. At least 20 people were killed and dozens more wounded when a gunman opened fire at the Walmart, sending terrified bystanders fleeing through the neighboring mall.

When Oakley exited the store minutes later and headed to the neighboring Footlocker, he finally heard the sound of gunfire echoing across the mall. He immediately pulled the Glock 9mm he occaisionally carries under Texas's concealed carry laws. While he had just returned from an incident-free deployment to Kuwait, this was not his first firefight.

"That's what you do," he told Task & Purpose. "You pull your gun, you find cover, and you figure out what to do next."
 
Waher said:
El Paso Shooter Wanted to Kill People to Save Environment
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El Paso Shooter:
"We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations."

Reuters:
Americans use too much toilet paper and it’s hurting the planet, report says
U.S. consumers use roughly three rolls of toilet paper a week, accounting for a fifth of the world’s tissue consumption, according to the report by environmental groups Stand.earth and the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC).

Single-use tissue products such as toilet paper used in the United States are made from wood pulp, mostly derived from logging in the old-growth northern, or boreal, forest in Canada, where logging companies clear cut more than a million acres (405,000 hectares) every year, the NRDC said.

The forest plays a key role in combating global warming because it absorbs and stores carbon dioxide, the greenhouse gas that contributes to it, the group said.

Logging releases that carbon into the atmosphere. Canada’s forest area has declined more than 9 percent since 2000 from logging, it said.
 
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firestorm said:
Licensed vs unlicensed. Texas has no unlicensed carry. It only becomes a class A if they are informed by someone that they are trespassing and refuse to leave.


30.06 and 30.07 cover licensed carry trespass and signage requirements.
Texas Penal Code - PENAL § 30.07 | FindLaw
Texas Penal Code - PENAL § 30.06 | FindLaw
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I know. I was there and actively involved when the Texas CHL law was finally passed in 1995 (with the first licenses issued 1/1/1996).

My comments were about the history behind the signage, and why it's so large. Yes, it was partly a thumb in the eye of businesses who wanted to to ban guns, but it was also very practical.

PC 30.06 didn't pass and become effective until September 1, 1997. For those first (almost) two years, there was considerable debate about what "effective notice" was required to ban someone from legally carrying. Before 30.06, any judge could find that the little circle-slash "no guns" symbol hidden amongst the credit card signs was "effective notice", bumping the penalty from Class C to Class A.

Class A misdemeanor is also the same penalty as Unlawfully Carrying a Weapon (PC 46.02), but if done on the premises of any business licensed to sell alcoholic beverages, UCW jumps up to a felony of the third degree.
 
richc said:
Saw a talking head on tv saying he'd spent some time in Israel. And over there they search folks entering a mall or shopping area. This fella felt that was a good idea for America.

I don't know if this is true or not. But malls and their retail occupants are already getting their asses kicked by online retailers. That would be the nail in the coffin IMHO.

Unless I'm being frisked by a scantily clad voluptuous blond they can kiss my fat white ass before I'll agree to that.
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Israel profiles extensively. The majority of people searched entering a shopping mall will be Arabs. That's why/how it works there.
 
jpk said:
And his comments today were very moderated.......almost as if he's learning eh?
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The bodies were barely cold, of course he was toned down. In the past 2 and a half years, Trump hasn't done much of anything pro gun, when the opportunity to swap suppressors for bump stocks came up, it was shot down by Trump himself all thanks to the NRA saying have the ATF do it.

The NRA will be in Trump's ear for this shooting too, plus the Dayton one where 100 rd drum and a pistol brace was used. The ATF has changed positions on pistol braces going back to Obama, so that would be a non surprise to see them change that ruling again, but apart from that, I don't see what else Trump and the dumpsterfire NRA can come up with as a means to "do more" that's not inherently anti gun.

My guess is they're gonna look hard at a ban on semi auto rifles to people under a certain age.
 
jpk said:
And on a federal level neither have gone anywhere......much ado about nothing
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It doesn't matter on the federal level if they're all passed on the state level. Tell the guy in Maryland that was killed that it's much ado about nothing. Oh wait you can't he's dead. Tell that to the Uncle in VT. that had his guns confiscated because a nephew had threatened to steal his uncle's guns and commit a shooting so the local law enforcement confiscated the uncle's guns. ERPO's are unconstitutional and they should be taken seriously.
We'll see what he says today at 10.
 
Super99Z said:
Trump isn't a gun guy, he's going to look to the organization that has sold us up the river plenty of times and helped advance gun control in the US since 1871: the NRA.
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Just for clarification.....the term is "sold DOWN the river" not sold up the river.

It comes from the slave trade when slaves sold in Louisville, KY were transported down the Ohio and Mississippi rivers to the southern cotton plantations. Hence they were "sold down the river".

And now you know the rest of the story.
 

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