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Absolutely, it’s a two way street with me. All good thereHmmm... and don’t give a F’k what your opinions are really. Sound familiar.
Door had been kicked in, hence, the request for a locksmith.Holy sh*t!
That was so fast.
Questions for the cops, I noticed the front door was open. Is there a reason why it was left open? Is it standard procedure? Or should they have locked the door?
You know, I would have thought someone'd at least have a hand on a gun.Armchair quarterback statement, but wouldn’t they have their sidearms drawn typically if there was even a possibility of the guy being in the house with or without a gun? Is that determined by threat level based on why they were initially called in?
Lollygagging didn't surprise me, but crossing your arms with your back to the door did. It's a "defensive" posture according to body language experts, but there's literally nothing usefully defensive about it. I know this is major armchair qb'ing, but I too would have thought that if they knew the suspect would be coming back, and knew he wasn't in the home, they'd be a little bit more situationally aware as domestic disputes are notoriously f***ed.Good on these officers.
Lets use this as a teaching moment though. If you’re there to protect someone inside a residence, instead of lally gagging around, monitor the avenues of approach.
When I was taking CJ classes in college this came up all the time, domestics are the most dangerous call to answer because of their unpredictablity.If you talk to LEO's they all seem to hate Domestic Violence calls and they all seem to have stories where a simple disturbance went south fast. I remember being told about an incident where the LEO pulled the husband off the wife and then as they restrained the husband the wife cold cocked one of the LEO's for hurting her husband (the guy who moments ago was beating the heck out of her). My non LEO take on this is situational awareness is not an issue when dealing with completely whacked people and yes drugs/alcohol plays in these situations.
Are you really an a**h*** or just play one on the innaweb?I’m not saying that. But if they went in the house with guns drawn, stepping and dragging clearing rooms guys like you would be calling them Nazi’s so try again.
You know, I would have thought someone'd at least have a hand on a gun.
Lollygagging didn't surprise me, but crossing your arms with your back to the door did. It's a "defensive" posture according to body language experts, but there's literally nothing usefully defensive about it. I know this is major armchair qb'ing, but I too would have thought that if they knew the suspect would be coming back, and knew he wasn't in the home, they'd be a little bit more situationally aware as domestic disputes are notoriously f***ed.
When I was taking CJ classes in college this came up all the time, domestics are the most dangerous call to answer because of their unpredictablity.
Everything I type is exactly what I would say in person so in your eyes I guess an a**h***? It’s all good though, because I think half of you are a bunch of shit talking clowns but I enjoy the other half of the group here that’s why I’m still a member.Are you really an a**h*** or just play one on the innaweb?
It’s insanely difficult to judge how they will play out. My buddy took a round answering a call and luckily he survived.That’s the thing, officers get so many domestic calls that some do become complacent. Especially when the other party is not home, so they might think it as another report. It sucks to think like that, but that’s just the reality of it.
It’s like here when people make threads about “what firearm should I get?” Or a reptile thread.
I dont think they knew just how much that man wanted to hurt that women.You know, I would have thought someone'd at least have a hand on a gun.
Lollygagging didn't surprise me, but crossing your arms with your back to the door did. It's a "defensive" posture according to body language experts, but there's literally nothing usefully defensive about it. I know this is major armchair qb'ing, but I too would have thought that if they knew the suspect would be coming back, and knew he wasn't in the home, they'd be a little bit more situationally aware as domestic disputes are notoriously f***ed.
When I was taking CJ classes in college this came up all the time, domestics are the most dangerous call to answer because of their unpredictablity.
Can you say sarcasm? Sure you canSeriously
Without a warrant or clear and present danger, then yes. Otherwise, good situational awareness would've served better than staring at the walls like these guys did.
It’s completely subjective. In training they teach you when it might be a good idea to draw your gun, but I’ve never heard of a department that has an official policy on it. It’s a judgement call.Armchair quarterback statement, but wouldn’t they have their sidearms drawn typically if there was even a possibility of the guy being in the house with or without a gun? Is that determined by threat level based on why they were initially called in?
Two NYPD officers assisting a family violence victim inside her residence when the suspect suddenly returns with not one but two handguns. 8 seconds later, both officers lay wounded and the suspect dead. 0-100 in the blink of an eye.
Skip to 3:50 mark for the shooting from the 1st officers bodycam. 2nd officer starts at roughly 8:35
‘That’s him!’ wife warned as domestic violence suspect fired at Queens cops in caught-on-camera gun battle
Domestic violence suspect Rondell Goppy’s final act was to open fire at a pair of cops in Queens — and the last 10 seconds of his life were captured by cameras worn by the men who shot …www.nydailynews.com
Thankfully both officers and the woman survived their injuries.
If they had sent in a "counselor" there would have been no survivors and an armed murderer on the loose.
Complacency kills. But yes, I hope they recover quickly and fully.Locking the front door so if they are upstairs and need backup the responders need to kick the door down? The cops in question let their guards down which is easy to do, hopefully they recover from their injuries.
Really? You thought their SA was fine? They had no clue the guy was approaching the house until he was already entering it. Their SA was utter garbage. And for anybody wanting to complain about Monday morning quarterbacking, it’s called analyzing and learning from mistakes. AARs should always take place.... I thought their situational awareness was fine. Both LEOs were looking at the doorway as soon as the perp appeared. They then won a gunfight with hosltered weapons against a perp with drawn weapon(s).
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The locksmith was being discussed to change the locks to keep the psycho out.Door had been kicked in, hence, the request for a locksmith.
His guns had been taken from him because he was suicidal. When he "got better" he got them back and the wife actually supported him in that. He probably needed them for his job as a security guard.I‘m not sure in this case. The first cop asked her if she had seen it since “he got it back.” It sounds like it was taken for some reason and then subsequently returned to him. For some unknown reason.
I thought it was because he could access the cameras remotely, then tell when she was home alone. If she had the codes and could lock him out easily I doubt anyone would advocate doing that.In the beginning of the video the cops are talking about disabling the security cameras.
I have seen other videos where they do this. It almost looks like standard procedure.
Why do they do this?
Since he came from outside, I actually think the abuser w/gun wasn't home. Might not have even known the cops were inside?
Complacency kills. But yes, I hope they recover quickly and fully.
Really? You thought their SA was fine? They had no clue the guy was approaching the house until he was already entering it. Their SA was utter garbage. And for anybody wanting to complain about Monday morning quarterbacking, it’s called analyzing and learning from mistakes. AARs should always take place.
Thankfully for them, while their SA sucked, their response was fast and effective.
Yahbut I don't think the cops had an objective reason to believe that.Since he came from outside, I actually think the abuser w/gun wasn't home.
The cruiser(s) parked out front were Nature's Way of telling the perpMight not have even known the cops were inside?
Because it’s entirely probable that the domestic partner has remote access to the camera feeds to see exactly what’s going on there.In the beginning of the video the cops are talking about disabling the security cameras.
I have seen other videos where they do this. It almost looks like standard procedure.
Why do they do this?
If I was the DV victim, I still wouldn't have been happy if one/both of the cops had accompanied meThere's not a lot of people that can handle the stress of being ever vigilant. Unfortunately this is the result of that. They were distracted by conversation and got ambushed. Very lucky to be alive and that the perp is a terrible shot.
Someone can correct me if I am wrong but they asked if it was a Ring camera. I don't have one of those but they advertise that you can answer your front door on your phone even if you are not at home. So if the bad guy who lives there can see them on his phone if cameras are working.In the beginning of the video the cops are talking about disabling the security cameras.
I have seen other videos where they do this. It almost looks like standard procedure.
Why do they do this?
Let's try an experiment.The only question that comes to mind for me is why does anyone chose to be a cop these days?
Through the loophole of course!How did that guy get a handgun in NYC ?????
Let's try an experiment.