0 to 100mph LEO shootout

[SHOCKNAWE]

Hmmm... and don’t give a F’k what your opinions are really. Sound familiar.

Absolutely, it’s a two way street with me. All good there

 

[Sweeney]

Holy sh*t!

That was so fast.

Questions for the cops, I noticed the front door was open. Is there a reason why it was left open? Is it standard procedure? Or should they have locked the door?

Door had been kicked in, hence, the request for a locksmith.

 

[DrBurnsides]

Sweet Christmas. DV calls, keep your head on a swivel.

 

[Drix]

Armchair quarterback statement, but wouldn’t they have their sidearms drawn typically if there was even a possibility of the guy being in the house with or without a gun? Is that determined by threat level based on why they were initially called in?

You know, I would have thought someone'd at least have a hand on a gun.

Good on these officers.

Lets use this as a teaching moment though. If you’re there to protect someone inside a residence, instead of lally gagging around, monitor the avenues of approach.

Lollygagging didn't surprise me, but crossing your arms with your back to the door did. It's a "defensive" posture according to body language experts, but there's literally nothing usefully defensive about it. I know this is major armchair qb'ing, but I too would have thought that if they knew the suspect would be coming back, and knew he wasn't in the home, they'd be a little bit more situationally aware as domestic disputes are notoriously f***ed.

If you talk to LEO's they all seem to hate Domestic Violence calls and they all seem to have stories where a simple disturbance went south fast. I remember being told about an incident where the LEO pulled the husband off the wife and then as they restrained the husband the wife cold cocked one of the LEO's for hurting her husband (the guy who moments ago was beating the heck out of her). My non LEO take on this is situational awareness is not an issue when dealing with completely whacked people and yes drugs/alcohol plays in these situations.

When I was taking CJ classes in college this came up all the time, domestics are the most dangerous call to answer because of their unpredictablity.

 

[Fixxah]

I’m not saying that. But if they went in the house with guns drawn, stepping and dragging clearing rooms guys like you would be calling them Nazi’s so try again.

Are you really an a**h*** or just play one on the innaweb?

 

[Bistro]

You know, I would have thought someone'd at least have a hand on a gun.

Lollygagging didn't surprise me, but crossing your arms with your back to the door did. It's a "defensive" posture according to body language experts, but there's literally nothing usefully defensive about it. I know this is major armchair qb'ing, but I too would have thought that if they knew the suspect would be coming back, and knew he wasn't in the home, they'd be a little bit more situationally aware as domestic disputes are notoriously f***ed.

When I was taking CJ classes in college this came up all the time, domestics are the most dangerous call to answer because of their unpredictablity.

That’s the thing, officers get so many domestic calls that some do become complacent. Especially when the other party is not home, so they might think it as another report. It sucks to think like that, but that’s just the reality of it.

It’s like here when people make threads about “what firearm should I get?” Or a reptile thread.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

Are you really an a**h*** or just play one on the innaweb?

Everything I type is exactly what I would say in person so in your eyes I guess an a**h***? It’s all good though, because I think half of you are a bunch of shit talking clowns but I enjoy the other half of the group here that’s why I’m still a member.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

That’s the thing, officers get so many domestic calls that some do become complacent. Especially when the other party is not home, so they might think it as another report. It sucks to think like that, but that’s just the reality of it.

It’s like here when people make threads about “what firearm should I get?” Or a reptile thread.

It’s insanely difficult to judge how they will play out. My buddy took a round answering a call and luckily he survived.

 

[mac1911]

You know, I would have thought someone'd at least have a hand on a gun.

Lollygagging didn't surprise me, but crossing your arms with your back to the door did. It's a "defensive" posture according to body language experts, but there's literally nothing usefully defensive about it. I know this is major armchair qb'ing, but I too would have thought that if they knew the suspect would be coming back, and knew he wasn't in the home, they'd be a little bit more situationally aware as domestic disputes are notoriously f***ed.

When I was taking CJ classes in college this came up all the time, domestics are the most dangerous call to answer because of their unpredictablity.

I dont think they knew just how much that man wanted to hurt that women.
i wonder if he even knew the cops , well where cops and just started shooting in attempt at hurting/killing that woman?
Sucks all around.
i think those cops just found it to be a low chance he would return.
Never underestimate a determined man.

 

[Palladin]

Seriously

Can you say sarcasm? Sure you can

 

[mibro]

Without a warrant or clear and present danger, then yes. Otherwise, good situational awareness would've served better than staring at the walls like these guys did.

Come on, man. I expect this kind of DV call occurs frequently for these LEOs. I thought their situational awareness was fine. Both LEOs were looking at the doorway as soon as the perp appeared. They then won a gunfight with hosltered weapons against a perp with drawn weapon(s).

Gruesome detail. The second LEO is just completing his two-handed grip on his pistol when he is shot in the left hand. His third finger then dangles at an odd angle while he shoots one-handed.

 

[In God We Trust]

Armchair quarterback statement, but wouldn’t they have their sidearms drawn typically if there was even a possibility of the guy being in the house with or without a gun? Is that determined by threat level based on why they were initially called in?

It’s completely subjective. In training they teach you when it might be a good idea to draw your gun, but I’ve never heard of a department that has an official policy on it. It’s a judgement call.

 

[HARRYM]

Two NYPD officers assisting a family violence victim inside her residence when the suspect suddenly returns with not one but two handguns. 8 seconds later, both officers lay wounded and the suspect dead. 0-100 in the blink of an eye.



Skip to 3:50 mark for the shooting from the 1st officers bodycam. 2nd officer starts at roughly 8:35

‘That’s him!’ wife warned as domestic violence suspect fired at Queens cops in caught-on-camera gun battle

Domestic violence suspect Rondell Goppy’s final act was to open fire at a pair of cops in Queens — and the last 10 seconds of his life were captured by cameras worn by the men who shot …

www.nydailynews.com

Thankfully both officers and the woman survived their injuries.

If they had sent in a "counselor" there would have been no survivors and an armed murderer on the loose.

100% perfect example of where body cams tell an indisputable story and not anything there to have a march about.

Wishing the 2 officers a full recovery.

 

[PappyM3]

Locking the front door so if they are upstairs and need backup the responders need to kick the door down? The cops in question let their guards down which is easy to do, hopefully they recover from their injuries.

Complacency kills. But yes, I hope they recover quickly and fully.

... I thought their situational awareness was fine. Both LEOs were looking at the doorway as soon as the perp appeared. They then won a gunfight with hosltered weapons against a perp with drawn weapon(s).
...

Really? You thought their SA was fine? They had no clue the guy was approaching the house until he was already entering it. Their SA was utter garbage. And for anybody wanting to complain about Monday morning quarterbacking, it’s called analyzing and learning from mistakes. AARs should always take place.

Thankfully for them, while their SA sucked, their response was fast and effective.

 

[TLB]

Door had been kicked in, hence, the request for a locksmith.

The locksmith was being discussed to change the locks to keep the psycho out.

 

[clampett]

In the beginning of the video the cops are talking about disabling the security cameras.
I have seen other videos where they do this. It almost looks like standard procedure.
Why do they do this?

 

[Spartan65]

Wow that was fast. I couldn’t even imagine responding in that situation that fast especially bleeding out as fast as that second officer. Happy to hear they all survived hopefully they all recover.

 

[AHM]

Dup.

Those cops look like they let their guard down a little bit. I'm not t a cop or tactician, but once the house was clear, one of those guys should have been on/at the door.

House wasn't cleared.
Cops took the DV victim's word that the abuser w/ gun wasn't home.

 

[dcac01]

I‘m not sure in this case. The first cop asked her if she had seen it since “he got it back.” It sounds like it was taken for some reason and then subsequently returned to him. For some unknown reason.

His guns had been taken from him because he was suicidal. When he "got better" he got them back and the wife actually supported him in that. He probably needed them for his job as a security guard.

In the beginning of the video the cops are talking about disabling the security cameras.
I have seen other videos where they do this. It almost looks like standard procedure.
Why do they do this?

I thought it was because he could access the cameras remotely, then tell when she was home alone. If she had the codes and could lock him out easily I doubt anyone would advocate doing that.

Dup.

House wasn't cleared.
Cops took the DV victim's word that the abuser w/ gun wasn't home.

Since he came from outside, I actually think the abuser w/gun wasn't home. Might not have even known the cops were inside?

 

[mibro]

Complacency kills. But yes, I hope they recover quickly and fully.

Really? You thought their SA was fine? They had no clue the guy was approaching the house until he was already entering it. Their SA was utter garbage. And for anybody wanting to complain about Monday morning quarterbacking, it’s called analyzing and learning from mistakes. AARs should always take place.

Thankfully for them, while their SA sucked, their response was fast and effective.

What exactly do you expect from LEOs? A shootout like this is probably a once in a career event. Most LEOs retire without ever having been in this situation. You want cops acting like Marines in the sandbox? Law enforcement is militarized enough already. As for clearing the house when the DV victim had already told them the perp had left, I dunno, that seems pointless and silly to me.

They were both looking at the perp before he started shooting. They did a great job.

 

[AHM]

Since he came from outside, I actually think the abuser w/gun wasn't home.

Yahbut I don't think the cops had an objective reason to believe that.
Only knowing that the Twitter video ends in a gunfight,
I was completely expecting either
the DV victim to have had a change of heart and come down the stairs from the second floor with guns blazing,
or to have the DV victim roust the abuser upstairs and have him come downstairs with guns blazing.

Might not have even known the cops were inside?

The cruiser(s) parked out front were Nature's Way of telling the perp
that he had company.

 

[PappyM3]

In the beginning of the video the cops are talking about disabling the security cameras.
I have seen other videos where they do this. It almost looks like standard procedure.
Why do they do this?

Because it’s entirely probable that the domestic partner has remote access to the camera feeds to see exactly what’s going on there.

 

[xtry51]

Eesh. That's a shit sandwich situation. I think its tough to be "switched on" all the time when your job has you constantly in these situations. There's not a lot of people that can handle the stress of being ever vigilant. Unfortunately this is the result of that. They were distracted by conversation and got ambushed. Very lucky to be alive and that the perp is a terrible shot.

 

[AHM]

There's not a lot of people that can handle the stress of being ever vigilant. Unfortunately this is the result of that. They were distracted by conversation and got ambushed. Very lucky to be alive and that the perp is a terrible shot.

If I was the DV victim, I still wouldn't have been happy if one/both of the cops had accompanied me
upstairs - because of the tradition of moving around a house on any pretext in case there's
evidence of a crime in plain sight. But if I was those cops, I would have had to have had
one heck of a simpatico conversation with the victim prior to escorting her to the house
before I would have been comfortable letting her wander around out of my eyesight.

On the other hand, the woman must have thought
that if the cops didn't stop the abuser,
she was definitely getting shot by him.

 

[drgrant]

DV calls are hot garbage.

There's a lot of controversial stuff in policing but honestly i wouldn't even recoil if 80% of these calls ended with the cops smoking one or both of the people involved, itd probably be justified.

 

[ReggieB9mm]

The only question that comes to mind for me is why does anyone chose to be a cop these days?

 

[07Mustang]

In the beginning of the video the cops are talking about disabling the security cameras.
I have seen other videos where they do this. It almost looks like standard procedure.
Why do they do this?

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but they asked if it was a Ring camera. I don't have one of those but they advertise that you can answer your front door on your phone even if you are not at home. So if the bad guy who lives there can see them on his phone if cameras are working.

 

[AHM]

The only question that comes to mind for me is why does anyone chose to be a cop these days?

Let's try an experiment.
Google: Boston detective said
One of the most recent hits is

Boston police recover 16 guns from city streets in 3-day span

Boston police seized a staggering 16 guns from city streets over the weekend, a dozen of which were loaded.

www.bostonherald.com

Boston police seized a staggering 16 guns from city streets over the weekend, a dozen of which were loaded.​

​

“In covering these illegal guns, it’s safe to say they prevented many tragedies from occurring,” Boston Police Sgt. Detective John Boyle told the Herald.​

OK, what does Sgt. Detective Boyle bring home?

John T. Boyle | Police Sergeant/Detective | Boston, Massachusetts

Boston, Massachusetts records show the employment of John T. Boyle from 2011 to 2019.

openpayrolls.com

In 2019:

$125,534.33 pay.
$ 83,989.07 overtime pay.
$ 15,983.41 other pay.
=======
$256,890.58 total pay.

Thank God that as a civil service worker,
he can expect pension and benefits to make up for these crumbs.

 

[McReef]

How did that guy get a handgun in NYC ?????

Through the loophole of course!

 

[AHM]

Let's try an experiment.

• openpayrolls.com's GUI is a little too simplistic for me to sort "police by salary".
• But I got lucky with my first news article and quit while I was ahead.
• If I searched for "Boston rookie patrolman said", the numbers would have been a lot smaller.

So it was cherry-picking, but in a subtle way.