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What don't you like/do you like about the NRA?

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I've been reading up a fair bit on the NRA as I am planning to join. I notice a lot of people don't like all the junk mail and phone calls but what is it people don't like about their positions past and present? Anyone have any examples? Is anyone a member of GOA instead?

I've been reading some here:
http://www.nraila.org/issues/
 
Is anything perfect? NO! Neither is the NRA. Whenever you hear a politician or the Brady people talk they always mention the NRA......................Think about that for a minute........................They are the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Without the NRA we would be in a lot worse shape, more like the UK or Australia.

There are about 80,000,000 gun owners and about 4-5,000,000 NRA members. Pretty pathetic actually we are our own worst enemies. If just half of us were members think of the clout we would have!

You can opt out of all the junk mail, I have.

Many say the NRA doesn't fight for the assault weapon crowd. Life members and 5 year members are voting members of the NRA. Rather than complain or not join change them to what we want them to be. In the last couple of election cycles we have elected some board members that are friendly to the EBR crowd and you can see it is starting to change.

You can either be part of the problem or part of the solution? I am a member of many of the gun rights groups, you don't have to just choose 1. Join the NRA, GOA, GOAL, JPFO etc.
 
Thanks for the comment. Everyone keeps saying they are not perfect (here and other forums) but not too many say why they think that on specific issues. The assault weapons issue does shed some light. Just trying to get my around exactly what is it people don't like.
 
I like their support of the shooting sports. I don't like that they forget the shall not be infringed part of the 2nd amendment.
 
I think the NRA does a reasonable job and anybody putting up the good fight needs to be a supporter. Simple as that.
 
After literally decades of unbroken annual memberships, my old man and I both dropped our NRA memberships once it got to the point where the ridiculous levels of junk mail were no longer tolerable. The simple fact was that the NRA was wasting more money on junk mailings to us than we were paying in annual dues. In effect, we were a net financial drag on the organization. That just wasn't right. We wanted our membership money to go to good uses... not to unwanted junk mail printing and postage costs.

The last straw was the appearance of misleading and outright false "membership expiration" notices we both started receiving. How insulting. Did they think we were complete fools?

Now we donate anonymously. It's 99% better for us. Zero junk mail. No false, urgently-worded "membership expiration" warnings. Yes, we miss the magazines, but all such things in life are a trade-off.

CLMN
 
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After literally decades of unbroken annual memberships, my old man and I both dropped our NRA memberships once it got to the point where the ridiculous levels of junk mail were no longer tolerable.

Which could have been readily and easily terminated with a call to the NRA or through its website.

I do agree the junk mail is both excessive and counterproductive.
 
There are a group of (Tactical) gun carriers and a group of (hunters) outdoors men who are members of the NRA and both expect them to act differently. Some want unrestricted carry nationwide with no licensing and others want to be able to hunt everywhere and buy ammo at the hardware store. Its hard to please them both. Overall they do good work. GOA, GONH and GOAL are great groups as well. You should check them out.
 
Which could have been readily and easily terminated with a call to the NRA or through its website.
Not true at the time! Believe me, we complained loudly and tried to stop the insanity. It didn't work.

Granted, things may be 100% different now (I'll take your word for it!)... but I am not willing to "retest" the membership route.

We like the anonymous donation (in lieu of dues) route. It works well for us.

CLMN
 
The NRA is the most powerful lobby in the country and the most hated by the moonbats. We get screwed because we live in Taxachusetts. Mention the NRA to a Massachusetts liberal and they go crazy. That`s worth the annual membership right there.
 
I went NRA life over the installment plan after the AWB mess in the early 90's. I appreciate their courses and they have been helpful in my attaining Pistol Instructor, RSO and soon to be Level 1 shotgun. I appreciate the power behind the Political Victory Fund. The junk mail, cancer insurance and other crap really bothered me but went away three years ago with one phone call.

The NRA museum is a national treasure
 
OK, Sorry but rant mode on:

It is what it is. Who else is out there fighting for your 2nd Amendment rights on a daily basis on a national level? If you're a gun owner in this country and do not belong to the NRA, you are riding on the backs of all the members in this country for free.

If you're a gun owner inthe state of MA and do not belong to GOAL you are riding on the backs of all the members in this state for free.

If you remember the artical in Dillon's Blue Press a couple years ago you know what I really want to say but I'm goning to keep it clean.

Everyone complains about the cost of a box of ammo these days. For the cost of a couple boxes you can belong to both groups and stand up and be counted with the rest of the membership. Instead of hording two boxes of 9MM or a couple hundred rounds of .223 how about spending that cash on the guys who help our cause everyday. Without those guys You would have lost that AR or 9MM pistol a long time ago. You'd be collecting stamps or coins.

You get a mailing and can afford to send a couple bucks, do it. You can't? Toss it in the trash. You give what you can when you can. Done.

When the NRA say's we speak for the X million members, are they speaking for you? No, not if your not a member. It's that simple. You want Washington to stop making us firearm owners the bad guys? You want the Boston Old Boy's network to put an end to the stupid laws in this state? If there were more members we'd be a lot harder to ignore.

I'm a Patron Life Member of the NRA and a Sustaining member of GOAL. My back is sore. How about taking some of the load off?


OK, rant mode off.
 
I'm in a good mood, so I'll offer some positive comments.

10+ years ago, the NRA considered self defense and carry to be something not spoken of. NRA sanctioned matches that used silhouette targets were by policy police only (no civilian PPC matches had official sanction); NRA classes never touched on self defense; gun articles in American Rifleman never covered a defensive or carry gun; the NRA was largely absent on the carry permit issue; and the only use for a EBR (evil back rifle) was slow fire prone shooting. The NRA has started to steer the ship in a more pro-gun owner, rather than exclusively pro-hunter/pro-sportsman, direction which has been a very positive development - as evidenced by their activity in carry legislation; the interest in various forms or practical shooting (moving slowly, but moving in the right direction); adding a personal protection course that actually admits that a holster on one's person is a proper location for a handgun; etc.

Also, I needed assistance for the NRA in granting "official recognition" to a match in NY that was not covered by their programs (necessary fo rvisitors to qualify under the exemption to NY handgun licensing). The NRA competitions division was incredibly helpful and provided me with the paperwork I needed on a "same day" basis, and at no charge.
 
Although I don't believe in background checks or really any infringment..i am a member as i believe it could be a lot worse..they do their best in CT with what we have..
 
The other side is well funded and well organized....as imperfect as NRA is, it's the only .org on our side with real clout.

When the opposition uses you as a brand name for all that they hate, youe must be doing something right!

I've been a Life Member since I was about 14; my kids since they were about 10.

It's the old "Joiin or Die" flag.....
 
I posted this recently in another thread. It was easier to cut-n-paste, then type it all over again, so here goes:

Yours Truly said:
Since it's inception, the National Rifle Association has excelled at improving the marksmanship skills of the shooting public and educating both new shooters and non shooters alike. There's little question that the adoption of a legislative wing in the 1930's has nurtured a powerful force for the advocacy of the Second Amendment. One cannot however, extol virtue and press ahead toward the future without a look at the sum-total. This would include a travel through history and examination of the National Rifle Associations actions or inactions, with issues from McClure-Volkmer, the 1989 Import Ban, 1994's Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act - otherwise known forever as "The '94' AWB" and most recently, their attempted derailment of DC vs Heller. The National Rifle Association has been criticized - often rightly so from within it's own ranks - for not doing enough to repeal existing restrictions, helping to draft restrictive legislation and seeming to possess a willingness to compromise with regards to legislative restrictions. I'm still waiting for someone to post a comprehensive list of what the NRA did to prevent '86' '89' and '94'.... The problem is - it's a hard list to assemble. Ask any C3 owner in 1986, how under the bus they felt with the NRA's complacence and see what response you get.

It's also hard to fully fall in line with what has been historically an American organization - brimming with patriotic symbolism, when they continually push cheap, imported, Chinese crap on their membership and the shooting public. The have put the once revered National Rifle Association moniker on "NRA Optics" for example - cheap, low-grade junk optics made in The Peoples Republic of China. This imported crap also includes caps, gym bags, briefcases, knives and beyond. They are also bedfellows with Tim Leatherman, who is no real friend to gun owners.

I think the real problem with the National Rifle Association comes from within some of its membership - who hold the NRA with an almost omnipotent regard. What the National Rifle Association needs in my opinion, is something which it lacks: A true platform for dissent and debate from within, (just ask Neal Knoxx). The NRA needs to be challenged by its membership on issues from politics, to spamming members, pushing imported junk, legislative reform, involvement, (or lack) in front-line battleground states, (like Massachusetts) and beyond. The trouble is, no such platform exists, nor is it in the best interests of an organization who at times seems more invested in shiny office buildings, thick salaries and deals with the devil - instead of a firm, aggressive commitment to the reestablishment of the Second Amendment. 'People Before Profit' - it's an old union organization term which could be put to far better use within the ranks of The National Rifle Association...


That's about it in a nutshell....
 
In 1986 NRA was instrumental in getting McClure Volkmer Firearm Owners Protection Act passed.

The title sounds impressive but as with most laws its not always accurate as to the description of the law inside.

NRA basically traded Transferable Machine Guns for milsurps.

I'm sure Scrivener could clarify if he wants IE confirm or deny and or expand on this.
 
I like when the NRA approves/endorses candidates who support the 2nd Amendment. They send me an orange card before the election. If it is a local yokel race and I really have no other deciding factors, I will go with their endorsement.
 
The problem with the NRA is that 99% of its communication to me is via the stack of mailers I get every week, and they all say one of two things: they're trying to scare me into giving them more money, or trying to sell me something. You wanna talk about sheep, I feel like the NRA treats me like a sheep, a sheep with a wallet who's going to open it every time they send me a pretty envelop with a headline that says "They're coming for your guns!" The NRA are supposed to be the good guys, but I still feel I have to second guess and doubt and read between the lines of anything they send me.

On the other hand, I think their training program is the backbone of firearms education in this country...
 
I don't get jack from the NRA (other than my magazine), and I've never requested to be removed from any mailing lists. I feel left out.
 
If the NRA did nothing whatever other than rate candidates and continue the work they do in support of firearms education and training they would be worthy of support. They do a LOT more than that and on a national level they make a giant difference. Remember 1994. The NRA had a lot to do with the GOP taking the House back after 40 years.

Do they do everything I would like them to? No, they don't. I don't like their political stances occasionally and I think they do poorly at outreach to non-shooters, something that I think is critical to maintaining our rights. But all in all they are well worth the trivial amount of money they get from me and more. If we had the money I'd be a life member. I just don't have $1000 to spend nor do I want to take on another debt right now.
 
The NRA does more for the RKBA than any individual, or any other group, and it's in all gunowners best interests to advocate joining and working together. All gunowners benefit from the work done by the NRA, whether, or not, you are a member. For example - we all remember that in 1987 only 10 states recognized the right to carry for self-protection. Today, due to the NRA, 40 states do.

Let's not forget what they've done for Preemption Laws, Castle Doctrine, Emergency Powers Laws, protecting gun owners and dealers privacy rights with the Tiahrt Amendment, "The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act”, and the Heller decision, as well as fighting against the old and new AW bans, National Park firearms bans, UN Gun Control, Gun Show bans and reforming the abuses of the BATFE.

It's easy for the the anti-RKBA media, democrats and liberals to denigrate and distort the NRA organization and membership. That way they don't have to recognize or validate the historical, legal and constitutional truths of the RKBA. Imagine what it would mean if even half the gunowners in the US were NRA members? You have to decide whose side you are on. Join and support the NRA and encourage every one you care about to join too.

Don't feel the NRA gives you any info on what they are doing? That's easy to fix. Get and stay informed with “The First Freedom” NRA’s monthly magazine (the most consistent in depth reporting on gun issues, laws and politics) and the NRA-ILA legislative and political RKBA e-mail alerts. Subscribe at http://www.nraila.org/
 
I don't get jack from the NRA (other than my magazine), and I've never requested to be removed from any mailing lists. I feel left out.

Same here.

What I like about the NRA is they sanction and promote competitions and matches and they teach good gun safety.

What most people think of when they think of the NRA is only about protecting their rights, which is fine, but there's a lot more to them than just fighting Washington and they can't do everything.
So if all you do is go to your club and bang a few off, maybe they don't do enough for you.

Oh, the magazines suck. they were once a very good magazine years ago, with excellent articles, but now it just sucks and I mean it really sucks. I flip through it in two minutes and then throw it out. A complete waste of paper. Garbage. Terrible.
 
Oh, the magazines suck. they were once a very good magazine years ago, with excellent articles, but now it just sucks and I mean it really sucks. I flip through it in two minutes and then throw it out. A complete waste of paper. Garbage. Terrible.

WHICH magazine? There are now about 4.

I get First Freedom.
 
I stopped the NRA junk mail with a phone call. If you mention stop it or cancel my membership the junk mail stops. I can't get them to stop calling at election time though. Its always boogeyman stories and its hard to get them to stop talking long enough to tell them to stop preaching to the choir. I also made it a point to tell them the caller ID said BIG BROTHER and I found that to be in remarkably poor taste. The NRA seems to have given up all hope of ever having success in Massachusetts. They'll print a plea for phone calls and letters in their magazines but little interest seems to exist for providing any sort of assistance of any of the attempts to disarm and overregulate Mass gun owners.

Goal used to just run to the table with a plan to compromise on any gun issue brought up. When you compromise you give something away and we have so little left for them to take as it is. The antis figured that out and used it to make great strides against us putting giveaways in everything they proposed. Things have changed now as Goal is much more aggressive.

The RKBA and the Second Amendment Foundation are much more agressive in bringing legal action to challenge asaults on gun owners. The NRA usually steps in to bankroll their larger efforts.
 
WHICH magazine? There are now about 4.

I get First Freedom.

I get american Rifleman.

I haven't seen enough copies of the other magazines to say that they are all bad, but from the few that I have read, many of them have the same articles carry over to each different magazine.

I feel the magazine (American Rifleman) is a very poor example of what it once was regarding the quality of the articles. Once, they were very well written with articles on competition, hunting and safety. Now, it seems the articles are mostly reviews of new products. when there are pieces about competition, it seems to be that it is written as if the writer is a spectator, or news reporter. In the past, there were in depth interviews and interesting stories. It was more like watching the History channel.

I think I might change magazines, to see if it can hold my attention a bit better.
 
The NRA is "us" - all 4 million or so - not "them." Remember the ad's "I'm the NRA?"

It works within "The System" to protect our 2nd Amendment, which means it protects the other 9 of the Bill of Rights too.
"The system" is our Constitutional Government - warts & all - there's none better on earth. [It's called a Republic - John Wayne can tell you about that better'n me.] I don't think there's another organization as effective at promoting & achieving it's goals.

Some folks don't like the results of the political process - remember "no man should see how laws or sausages are made!"

The NRA also provides a massive infrastructure for all the shooting sports & professions. It helps clubs run Shooting Camps & Women-on-Targets, & certifies the NRA instructors who qualify police & civilians, runs the national matches......look on www.nra.org & see all the resources they provide.

ps the American Rifleman is awesome - evaluating new stuff without the BS factor of the other magazines, & far fewer Viagra ads.....
 
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