Weapons found in Marine's baggage

[K1MIZ/USMC0311]

As usual most of the comments on here are ignorant and people cant distinguish the difference between a Marine and a soldier.
Marines are Marines
Soldiers are Army

one of the few comments i do agree with is from:

My point is, given the level of desensitization to weapons and munitions that you find in the military, this kid probably didn't realize what he did was wrong. Not saying that makes it okay, and his command should fry him for being a 'tard, but I highly doubt any criminal intent was involved.

I do agree this Marine clearly wasn't thinking and he will pay greatly for this. I agree with OCHMUDES point that desensitization of weapons in the military and lack of knowledge of state laws (because they vary greatly from state to state, ours being one of the worst) is a problem threw out our younger military personnel and they are not up to speed w the security back home here in the United states. And not everyone in the military has time to sit behind a pc everyday and read threw forums about state laws, rules and what if scenarios posted here in, because if they did, this Marine would have had a gut instinct telling him that this may not be a good idea and would ruin his now shorten Military career.

Though im sure this was very poor judgment for the most part and the rest was just lack of knowledge of airport regulations on handling/securing firearms and infernal devices (if that's what it really is) my opinion is that it was an innocent dumb mistake

One last note, even if the State slaps him on the wrist and sends him back to his unit, he is in a whole world if sh!t once the state is done with him. He will be court martial and will be sent to the brig and if not dishonorably he will be other than honorably discharged.

Its a shame because hes probably a good Marine

 

[M1911]

The grenade detonator cap (if it really was active) is likely a crime in a check bag.

I would not be surprised if it was actually a fuse for the rocket motors.

Ammunition is supposed to be in a proper (orriginal, or purpose) box. Though, it's hard to imagine it a criminal offense to have in a magazine.

TSA allows you to have them in a magazine as long as the top of the magazine is covered.

# You must securely pack any ammunition in fiber (such as cardboard), wood or metal boxes or other packaging that is specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.

# You can't use firearm magazines/clips for packing ammunition unless they completely and securely enclose the ammunition (e.g., by securely covering the exposed portions of the magazine or by securely placing the magazine in a pouch, holder, holster or lanyard).

Full text here: http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm

Aside: Is it legal to have a couple cardboard "book matches" in checked baggage? I's assume so. Would I be arrested if I had them?

Google is your friend

Strike-anywhere Matches - One book of safety (non-strike anywhere) matches are permitted as carry-on items, but all matches are prohibited in checked baggage.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm

 

[wolf223]

As usual most of the comments on here are ignorant and people cant distinguish the difference between a Marine and a soldier.
Marines are Marines
Soldiers are Army

one of the few comments i do agree with is from:




I do agree this Marine clearly wasn't thinking and he will pay greatly for this. I agree with OCHMUDES point that desensitization of weapons in the military and lack of knowledge of state laws (because they vary greatly from state to state, ours being one of the worst) is a problem threw out our younger military personnel and they are not up to speed w the security back home here in the United states. And not everyone in the military has time to sit behind a pc everyday and read threw forums about state laws, rules and what if scenarios posted here in, because if they did, this Marine would have had a gut instinct telling him that this may not be a good idea and would ruin his now shorten Military career.

Though im sure this was very poor judgment for the most part and the rest was just lack of knowledge of airport regulations on handling/securing firearms and infernal devices (if that's what it really is) my opinion is that it was an innocent dumb mistake

One last note, even if the State slaps him on the wrist and sends him back to his unit, he is in a whole world if sh!t once the state is done with him. He will be court martial and will be sent to the brig and if not dishonorably he will be other than honorably discharged.

Its a shame because hes probably a good Marine

you do realize that ALL of "our" policies and regulations come from DoD. so they really aren't that different. -just saying.

also, the

that desensitization of weapons in the military

is not limited to any branch either. a public or civil affairs specialist can find himself or herself with a special forces element at any given time.

 

[GSG]

I agree with the military de-sensitizing members to weapons. I know of more than a few military members who've broken gun laws because they assumed that the 2nd Amendment applied to everyone in every state.

Personally, I'd like to see pictures of what they found. This could be the top to a dummy grenade and a kids model rocket kit in a bag with a declared gun and ammo.

 

[Lamina]

I agree with the military de-sensitizing members to weapons. I know of more than a few military members who've broken gun laws because they assumed that the 2nd Amendment applied to everyone in every state.

Personally, I'd like to see pictures of what they found. This could be the top to a dummy grenade and a kids model rocket kit in a bag with a declared gun and ammo.

what's unfortunate is that we've gotten to the place where that belief is incorrect. we've been here for a while, but it still sucks just as much.

 

[gene]

And as of the news this morning the gun and ammunition charges have been dropped as they were declared. So now for the rest of the story which as I mentioned earlier the media was so quick to jump in spite of the fact that they had no facts.

 

[MassBites]

Let's begin with the opening line of the Pravda Globe article:

"Do any of you gun rights "extremists" want to defend this fellow?"

Pay attention to that sentence and hope to heaven that the Globe is soon put to bed with a shovel, as it deserves to be. By writing what he wrote above, the alleged news "reporter" reveals that he does not support the very document which gives him the right to be stupid and reveal that stupidity in print. The bottom line is that this "reporter" does not support the United States Constitution and I would like to see anyone try to argue otherwise.

This left wing NITWIT "reporter" considers anyone who owns a firearm or who supports the Second Amendment of OUR Constitution to be an extremist. He probably also "feeels" that our Founding Fathers were senile nincompoops for adding the Second Amendment in the first place.

Things he is missing:

1) His brain.

2) Reporters report the news, which is to say, they are supposed to report the facts. This "reporter" didn't bother to research the facts.

A] Because he's lazy.
B] Because it doesn't fit his agenda to vilify gun owners with the intent of turning public opinion against them in order to further the governments intent to deny gun owners their Constitutional RIGHTS.


3) His freedom to expose his stupidity in print is guaranteed by the very same Constitutional RIGHTS that he so eagerly hopes the government will deny to others.


4) That Marine has sworn an oath to defend that Constitution and the right of "reporters" to expose their stupidity in print. And that Marine will give his very life in defense of that "reporter's" right to be a complete and total a**h***!

Note the word "extremist" and consider carefully who the real extremists are. This "reporter" is one of them. This "reporter" has revealed that he is willing and able to subvert the United States Constitution.

The Usurper Administration has given out its Marching Orders via the DHS to be disseminated to all law enforcement agencies. The Usurper Administrations Department of Propaganda and Disinformation has disseminated its "buzz words" and emotional rhetoric to its Butt Boys in the Socialist Stream media.

Questions to ask ourselves:

Where is this Marine now?

Is he still in jail in lieu of posting bond?

Is there anything we can do collectively to help him?

I have a guest room I would be happy to offer to him should he need a place to stay while he defends himself against his "crimes."

 

[z0mbi]

I agree with the military de-sensitizing members to weapons. I know of more than a few military members who've broken gun laws because they assumed that the 2nd Amendment applied to everyone in every state.

This applies to civilians too, and in general not just related to airline flights. I know 2 people, close friends, who have inadvertently broken MA law because they moved up here from free states and didn't even consider that the gun laws might be different.

This is why the 2A needs to be incorporated amongst the states. It's complete crap that in one state exercising your constitutional rights is perfectly legal, but one state over it could get you locked up for 10 years.

 

[Admin]

Growing up in MN and going to CA for the Marines. I fired rifles and pistols 6 days a week all summer and I had no idea how much trouble I could get in with firearms at my apartment in Mission Bay.

 

[MassBites]

Found this:



Marine pleads not guilty to smuggling gun onto plane
By David Abel

Standing ramrod straight in his Marine Corps service uniform, Corporal Justin W. Reed pleaded not guilty yesterday to charges he illegally smuggled a semiautomatic handgun and a raft of bomb-making materials onto a Boston-bound plane Sunday.

A judge in East Boston District Court set 2,500 cash bail for the 22-year-old, who was traveling from a military base in California where he taught an urban-warfare course to his home in Jacksonville, N.C.

During Reed's layover at Logan International Airport on Sunday morning, federal baggage screeners going through his military-style backpack found the handgun, a fully loaded gun magazine, a grenade fuse and detonator, model-rocket engines containing explosive mixtures, matches, and a disposable lighter. The bag had been checked without incident at McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas. His baggage also contained several boxes of 9mm and 7.62mm ammunition.

Reed was arrested on charges of possessing an infernal machine and attempting to put an explosive device on an aircraft.

In court, Reed's attorney, Jeffrey Miller, said his client has no criminal record and has an "excellent record" as a Marine. He added that Reed had cooperated with authorities.

Neither Miller nor his relatives would answer questions after the arraignment.

Prosecutors called Reed very cooperative, but they said they had no plans to drop the charges.

Ann Davis - a spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration, which oversees airport security - said that officials are investigating the case and that it may be that Reed simply made a mistake.

She said gun owners and members of the military can travel with firearms, but they must declare them, the gun has to be unloaded, and it must be packed in a secure lock box. Some ammunition is also allowed, but it has to be packed separately from the firearm.

Reed declared the firearm in Las Vegas, as required. Investigators initially reported that he did not declare the gun, which was secured in a locked box, but later determined he had after locating the paperwork, she said.

Still, Reed was carrying items that are prohibited. "These were items that should have not been on the airplane, but they never posed an imminent threat to aviation," Davis said.

Reed was traveling to North Carolina to surprise his wife for their second anniversary and their 1-year-old son, his mother previously told the Globe. He travels frequently between California and Camp Lejeune, N.C., where he is based, she said.

Reed arrived in Boston at 7 a.m. Sunday and was scheduled to board an 8 a.m. US Airways flight to Charlotte.

Reed will have to return to East Boston for a probable cause hearing on May 18.

 

[JonJ]

So this was no worse than carrying on a 16oz bottle of shampoo. But because it's Massachusetts...

 

[MrsWildweasel]

So this was no worse than carrying on a 16oz bottle of shampoo. But because it's Massachusetts...

No kidding.

 

[MassBites]

Does anyone know anything about his attorney, Jeffrey Miller? What firm he works for and things like that?

 

[wolf223]

what a crock of shit. thanks a lot (Boston, MA) for buddy f***ing our guys!

 

[M1911]

Does anyone know anything about his attorney, Jeffrey Miller? What firm he works for and things like that?

I wonder if this is the guy: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/lgs/1128251240.html

 

[Bob P]

So this was no worse than carrying on a 16oz bottle of shampoo. But because it's Massachusetts...

Yep. And because they made such a huge stink about this to the press, now they have to prosecute the guy or look like asses.

I got news for them, they already do.

Poor bastard. He DID declare the gun and was likely stupid about the rest of the stuff. Boston TSA got their panties in a bunch thinking they'd just caught one o them domestik terrist fellers that DHS was warning about and crowed to the press.


Ooops, we made a small miscalculation. Sorry sir but we're going to have to throw the book at you and smear you in the press so we don't look worse then we already do.

[sad2]

 

[Rob Boudrie]

Some ammunition is also allowed, but it has to be packed separately from the firearm.

Absolutely incorrect (it can be packed in the same box with the firearm), however, I ran into one TSA agent at Logan who thought such a regulation existed.

 

[ochmude]

Wow. Just, wow. This kid is screwed over a stupid mistake and irresponsible reporting. Regardless of what happens here in MA, his command is going to crush him for this. What a waste of a good Marine.

 

[jcr]

I really thought that netiquette said that when posting copy from others a URL would be provided.

In this thread there are two without. I found one (how many others spent the extra time to look it up, rather than taking the hyperlink?http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/22/marine_pleads_not_guilty_to_smuggling_gun_onto_plane/).

The other, referenced as in the Pravda Globe, I could not find in the Boston Globe. There is name calling of the reporter (perhaps accurate), but I don't know who the reporter is, or the context of the one sentence quoted.

 

[Bob P]

here you go

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...leads_not_guilty_to_smuggling_gun_onto_plane/

 

[Underwhere]

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[Underwhere]

Wow. Just, wow. This kid is screwed over a stupid mistake and irresponsible reporting. Regardless of what happens here in MA, his command is going to crush him for this. What a waste of a good Marine.

He reported properly...or are you talking about the newspaper?

 

[Bob P]

He reported properly...or are you talking about the newspaper?

I think he's referring to the media sensationalization (is that a word?) of the event.

 

[ochmude]

I think he's referring to the media sensationalization (is that a word?) of the event.

That's what I was referring to. The way the story was presented when it initially broke was very damning for him. Hell, I even feel bad for throwing him under the bus, and I didn't think he did anything wrong. Once everyone (and by that I mean the general public, aka "sheep") was ready to throw the book at him for being a domestic terrorist, the Globe get's more information and attempts to write a more balanced article. Unfortunately, the damage has already been done. Like I said earlier, even if the charges are dismissed in civilian courts, he's screwed once he gets back to Lejeune. The absolute best he can hope for right now is NJP and non-req for promotion for, well, the rest of his contract.

 

[wolf223]

I HOPE that his command backs him (some do, some don't).

nothing would be greater than having a few Sr. Ranking Officials from his command arrive to the court room in thier dress uniforms along with the acused.

 

[gene]

Most interesting about the story were the comments from story #1 in which all the comment liberals say " I told you so!" The comments on the second story from the liberals were non existent! Comments for the most part were in support. What a totally f***ed up state and country we live in these days!

 

[MassBites]

I wonder if this is the guy: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/lgs/1128251240.html

Thanks, M1911. I'm going to call that number tomorrow and see if he is the Marine's attorney. If he is, I'm going to offer whatever support I can give.

Folks, at the very least, can't we organize a letter writing campaign to the prosecutor's office in support for this Marine?

I'm also going to contact the Eagles Up and Oath Keepers organizations and see if they can't put some heat on this too.

This is bullshit and we all know it.

 

[Underwhere]

That's what I was referring to. The way the story was presented when it initially broke was very damning for him. Hell, I even feel bad for throwing him under the bus, and I didn't think he did anything wrong. Once everyone (and by that I mean the general public, aka "sheep") was ready to throw the book at him for being a domestic terrorist, the Globe get's more information and attempts to write a more balanced article. Unfortunately, the damage has already been done. Like I said earlier, even if the charges are dismissed in civilian courts, he's screwed once he gets back to Lejeune. The absolute best he can hope for right now is NJP and non-req for promotion for, well, the rest of his contract.

Ah I see now.

This is why I always second guess media as well as police before throwing people under the bus.

I've noticed that most people on the forum jump to conclusions just as much as the "sheep" do. Strange place this forum.

 

[SA John]

I didn't read every post on this thread so I'm not sure the kid is a Mass resident and if he has a valid permit for the firearm. If he does not have the permit he should do the mandatory one year prison term under Mass law. We as gun owners are always saying that we do not need new firearms laws, that we need to enforce the ones we do have. On this I agree whole-heartedly. Put this guy in jail and make a big deal about it in the media so that other soldiers and citizens alike will see that the gun owners want enforcement of current law and not more laws. Then go after this halfwit for carrying fuses and all the other crap he had too. To say offhand that he is not a domestic terrorist threat is making one large leap. Why in the hell would an adult be carrying that kind of shit with him? I got over firecrackers and the like at about age 13. He could very well be a Tim McVeigh (sp?) in the making. If this a**h*** had been a Harvard student you guys would be calling for his testicles. Being a Marine means not a damn thing. Burn this bastard and keep pouring on the gas. We don't need this kind of moron or criminal representing this country or former vets or gun owners. When we as law-abiding gun owners have the chance to do the right and show no support for this kind of act, we can't pass it up. Do we want current laws enforced or not? If you don't want this law enforced then stop moaning the next time a firearms law is passed. People see him skate and they'll pass new laws, just wait and see.

 

[DickWanner]

I didn't read every post on this thread blah-blah-blah-blah-blah

Maybe you should