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Vets to be Banned from owning guns...

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More of the same from the left. This shit just causes more Vets to NOT seek treatment.

http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=21430

Basically, legislation to cause anyone in service having had any diagnosis of PDST to be placed on the federal ban list.

How nice of our leaders to screw over the very people fighting and dying.

I wonder how long it will be until cops are placed on the list too.
 
I can feel the heat being turned up on the frog pot...

First they get the vets (probably because they're nervous about that whole "defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic" thing... ) then who's the next group that they disenfranchise?
 
(For reference.... section of HR 2640 mentioned in GOA article)...

(iv) A record that identifies a person who has been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution (as determined in regulations implementing section 922(g)(4) of title 18, United States Code, as in effect on the date of the enactment of this Act) and whose record is not protected from disclosure to the Attorney General under any provision of State or Federal law.

Another strange twist to this legislation...

Democrats Stall on Gun-Records Bill
Despite Support, Background-Check Measure
Staggers in Senate Amid Infighting
By DAVID ROGERS
September 21, 2007; Page A6

WASHINGTON -- After 32 people were shot to death at Virginia Tech in April, the new Democratic House moved quickly to close an administrative gap that allowed the killer to buy two guns despite a history of mental troubles.

It was a rare political alliance between the National Rifle Association and its foes on the left, who together seized the moment to try to make federal background checks on gun purchasers more effective. But with students back on campus the Democratic-controlled Senate has yet to act, and the bill is in jeopardy.

"I'm getting anxious," says Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to End Gun Violence. "I get concerned that the longer we are away from Virginia Tech, folks are going to ignore the problem."

For Democrats in Congress, this has been a frustrating year, with numerous presidential veto threats and Republican delaying tactics in a closely divided Senate. A minimum-wage increase took five months to enact; with a new fiscal year starting Oct. 1, spending bills are incomplete and a stalemate continues over policy in Iraq.

But the saga of the gun-records bill is something different: a self-inflicted wound for the new majority.

After the House bill passed in June, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) personally appealed to Democratic senators to pass it without amendments. "I wanted it to be taken up right away," she said. "If it's clean, it's over."

But Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, a turf-conscious Vermonter, insisted that the bill go through his panel and in the process reignited an old fight with his Democratic colleague, Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts.

For House Democrats, the delays were all the more frustrating because the bill's basic framework was already familiar from past Congresses: a mix of carrots and sticks to encourage states to share their mental-health and felony records with federal authorities.

In the Virginia Tech case, the shooter was able to buy firearms in part because relevant court records weren't forwarded to the National Instant Criminal Background System, the data center that helps conduct background checks.

The NRA lent its support to the bill, and to protect its flank against rivals on the right, it also won new language that for the first time allows someone banned from possessing a gun to appeal at the state level to have those rights restored. Some gun-safety advocates criticized this concession, but the bigger problem turned out to be infighting among Democratic senators.

Mr. Leahy, who dislikes federal mandates, complained that his small state would be hard-pressed to meet the House deadlines for sharing information, and therefore risked being penalized.

But it wasn't until August that he advanced his package, which ran almost 50 pages more than the House bill and added provisions that split the law-enforcement community.

Both measures promise new federal money to update records while states face future aid cuts if they don't comply. Mr. Leahy's version has a richer "carrot" and gentler "stick," narrowing the records that must be shared and giving states twice as long before mandatory penalties can be imposed.

But the chairman then also reopened a fight with Mr. Kennedy by including amendments to an existing law that allows retired law-enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons across state lines.

Enacted in 2004, the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act continues to meet resistance from states and cities, such as New York, as an intrusion on local control.

Mr. Leahy's proposed changes would make it easier for retired officers to get around these obstacles and also lower the years of service needed to qualify to carry concealed weapons from 15 to 10.

Pressing for the changes is the 325,000-member Fraternal Order of Police, a politically influential group that claims close ties to Mr. Leahy and his top staff. The FOP says it is only asking for "tweaks" to the current law. Mr. Leahy's office argues that as a former prosecutor he has a natural alliance with the police organization and has long been active on law-enforcement legislation.

Critics of the safety Act in the law-enforcement community point to the fact that Mr. Leahy's involvement in the issue grew after a brouhaha with the New York Post over whether the Democrat was obstructing the awarding of medals of valor to police and firemen killed on Sept. 11. Sen. Leahy angrily denied the charges, and after the FOP came to his aid, he took a higher profile role in support of the bill.
[Patrick Leahy]

Today, sheriff and police-chief lobbies oppose reopening the issue. "We warned the senators that it was something we had a lot of heartburn with," says Gene Voegtlin, legislative counsel for the International Association of Chiefs of Police.

In crowded cities, the prospect of out-of-state retired officers, unknown to the local force and not subject to the same training, is a worry. New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly is a critic, for example, and Mr. Kennedy vowed a fight on the Senate floor. "It's outrageous. This makes no sense," Mr. Kennedy said in an interview.

Mr. Leahy's relations with Mr. Kennedy, a former Judiciary chairman, have long been strained. Friction has risen in recent years because of the Massachusetts liberal's lead role on immigration legislation, a topic within the judiciary committee's purview. Mr. Leahy's office says it is "baseless" to suggest he was retaliating by adding safety-act provisions to the gun bill.

Party leaders are dismayed, and a top Democrat predicts: "That bill is going nowhere."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) will be reluctant to devote floor time to a messy fight.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.), an early proponent of the House bill, has begun planning for a back-up strategy: If Sen. Leahy's package stalls, Mr. Schumer said -- and the chairman's office agrees -- that the chairman has promised the gun records bill will move as a standalone piece of legislation.

Mr. Leahy says he is the wronged party. If House Democrats had consulted with him more in advance, "the bill could be on the president's desk right now," Mr. Leahy says.

"I think we have made the bill much better and provided far more reasons for the states to comply," he says. "I don't see how we have it delayed it at all. We're ready to go."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119033829426334720.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Leahy sounds just as bad as any gun-grabbing pissant MA has to offer...


Patrick Leahy on gun control


How in the hell did he get elected in RKBA friendly VT of all places?

He can go take a flying-f*** at both his proposals.

Hopefully, all the bogus nonsense attached to this bill will mean the end of it.
 
I have a wonderful young lady that works for me that is an Afganistan and Iraq vet. She spent 3 years serving our country in the sand and can still be called back any time for the next year.

she has actually considered joining the reserves because of how dedicated she is to this country.

When I showed here this she replied, "I don't know one person that has come back that doens't have some form of post traumatic stress. f*** them."

I think this will have a slim chance to get in... but who knows... this country has it's head so far up it's ass sometimes it is hard to know what they are capable of.
 
Many LEOs are Vets...Military experience to get on the force. Then there is Blackwater, all Vets...
 
The treasonist scum that thinks up crap like this should be hung
at the nearest tree.

It's already bad enough as it is that a teenager can get drafted/volunteer
for military service and fight and die for his/her country but they can't
buy a frigging handgun without begging an adult for permission. [sad2]

Now we have this kind of crap which denies a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT
to people who shed blood protecting those rights- the idea
that we would inhibit a vet from owning a firearm is atrocious on its
face.

I really wish that these cretins in congress would have to
face a hall filled with PTSD diagnosed veterans and tell them that
they don't have access to a constitutional right because of a
problem they acquired while fighting for their country. Bunch
of f***ing a**h***s- they have no respect for our veterans, and
often times, for the military in general, in more ways than one.

Sorry for the language, but this kind of thing makes my blood
boil. [angry] It doesn't matter whether someone is for or against
war, but disrespecting veterans, especially in this manner,
is just plain wrong on so many levels.

-Mike
 
no need to appologise... i think we all feel the same.

this facist crap makes me want to puke.

The communisim and socialism that has plauged our government is getting worse and infecting many of the youth into thinking it is "ok".

wont be long before we are getting microchipped...
 
I cannot imagine how any human being who has been deployed to a war zone can return to a "normal" life within a month and not suffer some sort of PTSD. And that same person may be recalled in a year to return to the war zone. One night a soldier is facing a child with a bomb in its pack and the next night the soldier is kissing their own babies good-night. If that isn't enough to trigger stress and PTSD in a human being, what is? This ploy to deny a gun license to any returning soldier who suffers PTSD is a cleverly disguised attempt to reduce the numbers of soldiers affected from getting proper treatment. And the number of eligibles from obtaining guns. PTSD is treatable. It may last for months or years;it may last a lifetime.
The person suffering from PTSD is not more likely than most of the general population to go over the deep end and do harm.
"Thanks for your service. You're asking for mental health assistance? Sign on the dotted line and lose your civil rights." This is an outrageous insult to our troops.
Best Regards.
 
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I cannot imagine how any human being who has been deployed to a war zone can return to a "normal" life within a month and not suffer some sort of PTSD. And that same person may be recalled in a year to return to the war zone. One night a soldier is facing a child with a bomb in its pack and the next night the soldier is kissing their own babies good-night. If that isn't enough to trigger stress and PTSD in a human being, what is? This ploy to deny a gun license to any returning soldier who suffers PTSD is a cleverly disguised attempt to reduce the numbers of soldiers affected from getting proper treatment. And the number of eligibles from obtaining guns. PTSD is treatable. It may last for months or years;it may last a lifetime.
The person suffering from PTSD is not more likely than most of the general population to go over the deep end and do harm.
"Thanks for your service. You're asking for mental health assistance? Sign on the dotted line and lose your civil rights." This is an outrageous insult to our troops.
Best Regards.

+1. Worse still this sort of legislation would likely act as a dissincentive for someone to seek help and treatment for PTSD. Way to make the world a safer place dumbass politicians. [frown]
 
Why would anyone want to join the military knowing this?

If I knew in 1984 what I know now, I would not have.
 
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