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Yeah... theoretically, Alice increases liability. Lots of administrators get freaked about any whiff of confrontation, though some do see the light. Even in a profession with no shortage of milquetoasts, some are more milque, others more toast. If that makes any sense.
Once you fight back you open yourself to prosecution
Better open to prosecution than open casket. You are correct though, in this state if you do anything to or against a criminal the lawyers line up on their side before you are done at the police station.
They do? I see this sentiment repeated over and over here, but there are never any examples cited. I agree with the open to prosecution being better than an open casket mentality of course, and Im well aware of your more than warranted disgust with the system. Id love to see some actual numbers in regards to criminal or civil prosecution of victims that fought back.
You guys are all missing the real issue here. This guy used a fully-automatic, 4000lb, assault transmission equipped missle. I move to ban all automatic transmissions and from here on out order all vehicle manufacturers to sell manual transmissions only. No one needs an automatic vehicle.
Breaking: Photo released of the suspect being shot
One of the greatest ad-libbed scenes of all time. Sword-swinging actor was on the ball and reacted to the gunshot. Look it up, its' hilarious.
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Yeah Harrison Ford was really sick that day and he was suppose to use his whip in a drawn out fight scene. He drew his gun instead (out of script) and the rest is history.
One of the greatest ad-libbed scenes of all time. Sword-swinging actor was on the ball and reacted to the gunshot. Look it up, its' hilarious.
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I never heard of this round. Your link makes it sound like a .300 Black Out on steroids. Does anyone on this forum shoot this round?Yes, they did. These bad hombres were hopped up on some crazy drugs and something was needed to take them down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_SOCOM?wprov=sfsi1
Another great link, Thanks. I wanted to buy an AR-10, but Maura shit all over those plans. Now I think I will buy one of these uppers and put it on one one of my AR-15s.I do and it's pretty sweet against water gallons and food coloring.
This guy makes it even cooler
https://youtu.be/cheDdArbo_A
I never heard of this round. Your link makes it sound like a .300 Black Out on steroids. Does anyone on this forum shoot this round?
I do recall a case back years ago that sparked the outrage that prompted the passing of the castle law in Ma.
I can't find a link to it .
The basics were that some gals ex kicked in her door and went after her with a knife.
He chased her around the house and got her a few good ones and cornered her upstairs before she got to a gun and shot him.
Whoever the D-bag DA was at the time went after her balls out.
His claim was that she could have escaped by jumping out a second story window if she really wanted to , so there was no justification to shoot him.
She got found innocent and the public outcry got the bill passed
They do? I see this sentiment repeated over and over here, but there are never any examples cited. I agree with the open to prosecution being better than an open casket mentality of course, and Im well aware of your more than warranted disgust with the system. Id love to see some actual numbers in regards to criminal or civil prosecution of victims that fought back.
Am I the only one who looks at this pic and thinks, "damn, that's the easiest head shot ever"? Big melon on that one.
Hey man thanks for at least addressing my post; as usual, the ones most vociferous on this subject have melted into solitude. Im shocked.
If you can find the particulars, or a name, or a town, a county, or something that I can research, itd be most appreciated.
Interestingly, the Castle Doctrine was not always an undisputed principle. In my home state of Massachusetts, for example, our supreme court ruled in 1975 that residents of the Commonwealth enjoyed no such exemption from the generalized duty to retreat [see Commonwealth v. Shaffer, 326 N.E.2d 880 (MA Supreme Court 1975)]. The facts of the case are quite horrific. Shaffer and her two small children had retreated from her abusive fiance all the way to the basement of her home. She had received numerous beatings from him in the past. The fiance, standing at the top of the basement stairs, told her: “If you don’t come up these stairs, I’ll come down and kill you and the kids.” When contrary to the woman’s pleas and warnings he began coming down the steps, she shot him once with a .22 rifle. The wound was mortal. Shaffer was indicted for murder, and was tried on manslaughter. She was convicted at trial, the conviction was affirmed by the appellate court, and then again by the state Supreme Court (in the case cited above), on the basis that she failed to take advantage of a safe avenue of retreat.
The public response to this decision was immediate and overwhelmingly negative, and the MA legislature promptly passed Massachusetts General Law Ch. 278 §8A. Killing or injuring a person unlawfully in a dwelling; defense, creating a statutory Castle Doctrine. Even today, however, the Massachusetts Castle Doctrine is among the most restrictive in the country, applying only to the space within the four walls of your home—step one foot outside, and the generalized duty to retreat is once again imposed. (Most other states’ Castle Doctrines also apply it to what is known as the curtilage, the area around your home that is part of the ordinary use of the home–so, the porch, the driveway, the front yard, etc.)
Read more: http://www.ammoland.com/2014/01/muc...nd-your-ground-castle-doctrine/#ixzz4SyktDffI
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Seriously check into this. Our school changed it's policy too. AFAIK, the teachers also received to training as to what they should do besides sheltering. This was in conjunction with the local PD.......I'll see if I can get you some info on it.
They do? I see this sentiment repeated over and over here, but there are never any examples cited. I agree with the open to prosecution being better than an open casket mentality of course, and Im well aware of your more than warranted disgust with the system. Id love to see some actual numbers in regards to criminal or civil prosecution of victims that fought back.
GPP said:They do? I see this sentiment repeated over and over here, but there are never any examples cited. I agree with the open to prosecution being better than an open casket mentality of course, and Im well aware of your more than warranted disgust with the system. Id love to see some actual numbers in regards to criminal or civil prosecution of victims that fought back.
Even though some examples may not have made it thru the system why overlook them?
How about the guy who pounded pedo diddler in bathroom promoting the AG to famously quote " we dont believe in self help..."
Or my personal favorite the security guard who dispatched the psycho stabbing a doctor. It was two weeks before they reversed course on his railroading...
Going by case law strictly is going to lead you right where they want you. The system wants it this way. Im sure you must have presented evidence before a grand jury. would you say the DA is more interested in the truth or a solid case?
I asked a DA who even after an extremely biased presentation of attempted murder on a child endangerment case that involved a massive amount of speculation why no charge on the attempt? Because that one would have been hard to get to stick... Forget the fact that it obviously didnt even happen.
I got ya brother. The case was in 1975. Google search "ma castle doctrine cases"
Here's a link to the case. http://lawofselfdefense.com/law_case/commonwealth-v-shaffer/
Even though some examples may not have made it thru the system why overlook them?
How about the guy who pounded pedo diddler in bathroom promoting the AG to famously quote " we dont believe in self help..."
Or my personal favorite the security guard who dispatched the psycho stabbing a doctor. It was two weeks before they reversed course on his railroading...
Going by case law strictly is going to lead you right where they want you. The system wants it this way. Im sure you must have presented evidence before a grand jury. would you say the DA is more interested in the truth or a solid case?
I asked a DA who even after an extremely biased presentation of attempted murder on a child endangerment case that involved a massive amount of speculation why no charge on the attempt? Because that one would have been hard to get to stick... Forget the fact that it obviously didnt even happen.
Shaffer is an awful case to go by, do I agree with the fact that she needed to ventilate the guy? Absolutely. In Shaffer, the threat wasnt there in the eyes of the jury when she fired. She also had multiple opportunities to get out of the house with the kids, and to call police. Shitty situation, no question, and I cant help but wonder if that case was tried today, if the result would have been different.
I got ya brother. The case was in 1975. Google search "ma castle doctrine cases"
Here's a link to the case. http://lawofselfdefense.com/law_case/commonwealth-v-shaffer/
Yeah the GJ is great. Unless guns, kids, and women who make poor choices are involved. Oh add dogs to that list.
I put in six days and walked out knowing never to expect any rational out of my fellow man when its actually needed...
Or my personal favorite the security guard who dispatched the psycho stabbing a doctor. It was two weeks before they reversed course on his railroading...