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^ Well, apparently the Marines don't want plastic or aluminum in their sidearms.
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I am not familiar with 1911's wear, but how long is the barrel good for? I know an AR-15 barrel is good for about 15,000.
Sorry for the (sort of) necro-post.
I agree, and this shit needs to stop. A Glock 21 will almost double the capacity of the 1911 in the same caliber with more reliable mags, has no manual safeties, and doesn't need to hit the pits every few laps. While I would take the 1911 over the M9 or any other DA/SA, slide-mounted decocker abortion, I would much rather take a simple striker-fired piece of tupperware over both of them.
M1911 said:Also, I suspect service rifle shooters replace their barrels before 15K rounds.
Go ahead and smash into a wall in full gear with a plastic gun and see how it holds up. I personally must have thumped my m9 off a wall at least once every 3 missions on deployment in the act of hopping a wall or kicking in doors, and a plastic grip would not have survived.
I have watched a 9mm round bounce off the head of a cow, followed by a 30 round mag of 5.56... we ended up having to use 7.62 from a confiscated ak to kill the damned thing. Kudos to the Marine Special Forces for switching back to a gun that actually works, now if only we could get the rest of the armed forces to follow suit...
A Glock would hold up no problem. Also, the 16 vs 14 comparison is apples and oranges. A Glock21 vs a 1911 is apples to apples ammo-wise. Yet the 21 is lower maintenance and has a higher capacity with less parts. Not to mention it is at least at dependable as the 1911 at a fraction of the price.
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Colt needed that contact like we need air.
Here's a revolutionary idea: Who gives a shit?
I think maybe 500 pistol rounds have been fired in anger in the entire GWOT. Shit, as I was getting out of the Corps in 2009, the plan was that nobody below the rank of Colonel would have a pistol because it was pointless.
While I was a squad leader, one of the Platoon Commanders in the company suggested every squad leader and up have a sidearm. My company commander asked me why I should have a sidearm, and I told him I couldn't think of anything a pistol has that a rifle does not. It's just another piece of serialized gear to clean and be accountable for, and they really add nothing special to the equation.
Can I choose another rifle with its tits down?If your rifle/carbine goes tits up, would you prefer nothing, or a handgun and a few mags for it?
-Mike
Go ahead and smash into a wall in full gear with a plastic gun and see how it holds up. I personally must have thumped my m9 off a wall at least once every 3 missions on deployment in the act of hopping a wall or kicking in doors, and a plastic grip would not have survived
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You say this but some of us know better. I'm guessing you're "one of those guys" that has never owned a polymer framed handgun?
The only way to kill a Glock/XD/etc really with physics is to shoot it. That's the only way I've seen a polymer gun fail in such a fashion. If bullets are hitting your sidearm, you have bigger problems, more than likely, then the kind of gun you are carrying.
-Mike
I've seen a P2000 snap in half from falling off an ATV.
We're talking quality polymer guns, not HK.
Just from falling? Or did another vehicle run over it?
We're talking quality polymer guns, not HK.
Given that glocks have been tortured by many different people under all sorts of circumstances including having been thrown out of a small plane, I would dismiss this as a one-off manufacturing defect rather an indictment of the design itself. Polymer frames generally aren't brittle enough to do that.
HK: Because you suck and we hate you.
HK: Because you suck and we hate you.
If your rifle/carbine goes tits up, would you prefer nothing, or a handgun and a few mags for it?
-Mike
Here's a revolutionary idea: Who gives a shit?
I think maybe 500 pistol rounds have been fired in anger in the entire GWOT. Shit, as I was getting out of the Corps in 2009, the plan was that nobody below the rank of Colonel would have a pistol because it was pointless.
While I was a squad leader, one of the Platoon Commanders in the company suggested every squad leader and up have a sidearm. My company commander asked me why I should have a sidearm, and I told him I couldn't think of anything a pistol has that a rifle does not. It's just another piece of serialized gear to clean and be accountable for, and they really add nothing special to the equation.