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[not new guy]

I saw that maxxtech stuff, but do have a prime account. Are all 3 about the same performance wise?

 

[Live-a-Little]

Came home to some unexpected swag today. No ammo, but the cleaning kit is an Otis so you know it’s legit and the ammo can is pretty nice as well. For a plastic ammo can the quality is much better than most. Solid lockup with almost a tactile click when it locks/unlocks. Good seal, the handle feels great with the finger grooves, and in general the box seems sturdy.

 

[not new guy]

Is the Barnaul in the tin (46c per rd): Barnaul 7.62x39mm Ammo 123 Grain FMJ Lacquer Coated Steel Case 700 Rounds in Sealed Tin

worth the extra 9 cents per round over the Wolf: Wolf Performance 7.62x39mm Ammo 122 Grain FMJ Steel Case 1000 Rounds ?

I'm guessing it's not.

 

[DW357]

Is the Barnaul in the tin (46c per rd): Barnaul 7.62x39mm Ammo 123 Grain FMJ Lacquer Coated Steel Case 700 Rounds in Sealed Tin

worth the extra 9 cents per round over the Wolf: Wolf Performance 7.62x39mm Ammo 122 Grain FMJ Steel Case 1000 Rounds ?

I'm guessing it's not.

IMO no. I'm not worried about ammo being sealed for long term storage against corrosion/rust etc. My basement is humidity controlled.

 

[enbloc]

I've been very happy with the Republic Range & Training made by Barnaul that I got from TSports... (their zinc-plated 9mm is also very good range fodder)

The Golden Tiger is excellent too at 619DW. Price is excellent and no tax...

Comes back in stock every couple of weeks...
Paid $.32 cents each in February.

 

[enbloc]

If I see the Republic pop up again, I'll post it here with a link.

 

[not new guy]

Any big difference between lacquer and poly coatings? Not that I actually ever clean anything.

 

[SKumar]

Any big difference between lacquer and poly coatings? Not that I actually ever clean anything.

I believe lacquer is just to seal the openings around the primer and the bullet to prevent moisture from entering. The polymer coating on the steel case is to to supposedly for self-lubing and to ease friction on the extractor. IMO I don't see a major difference. They're both great. Super reliable.

 

[not new guy]

I believe lacquer is just to seal the openings around the primer and the bullet to prevent moisture from entering. The polymer coating on the steel case is to to supposedly for self-lubing and to ease friction on the extractor. IMO I don't see a major difference. They're both great. Super reliable.

I think the whole case is supposed to be lacquer coated. The sealant is something different. Found this thread: Lacquer coating on 7.62x39 ammo

 

[DavidC77]

^^^

I think someone here was asking about Carry Ammo for their Governor/Judge/Derringer .410 handgun. (Don't recall the make or model...)

That was me, I just picked up a Governor and TSUSA doesn't have any 410 or 45LC in stock...

 

[DavidC77]

619DW has 45 Colt in stock for $54.99 a box of 50 with no limit. Bought 250 rounds there last weekend.

I have no idea what/who 619DW is???

 

[puška m70]

I saw that maxxtech stuff, but do have a prime account. Are all 3 about the same performance wise?

The MaxxTech Essential Steel and Golden Tiger 7.62x39 are both made by the Vympel plant, which is a Russian state munitions factory, it is very good quality mil-spec ammo that is corrosion and moisture resistant lacqer coated case as well as sealed case necks and primer.

I was able to get like a 2-3 MOA group with it, so pretty accurate for AK ammo, and I'm not the best shooter.

The Wolf is likely Tula commercial-grade ammo which is still perfectly fine range, practice, etc ammo. It is lower quality ammo, loaded a bit less consistantly, but also cheaper. Not bad for the gun or anything. I would prefer the other two for long term storage, self defense situations, and shooting beyond 100 yards.

 

[puška m70]

I have no idea what/who 619DW is???

It is a gun store at 619 Daniel Webster Hwy Merrimack, NH. aka Collectable Arms and Ammo.

 

[slap shot]

I have no idea what/who 619DW is???

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

lmgtfy.app

 

[DavidC77]

Something like this, perhaps?

Frank

I almost bought one of those, I couldn't though, the GS was holding a S&W Governor for me...

 

[DavidC77]

Judge not, lest . . .

I one upped the Judge; I went all the way up the Political Ladder to a Governor...

 

[puška m70]

Any big difference between lacquer and poly coatings? Not that I actually ever clean anything.

Lacquer/sealed cartridges deposit a bit more "gunk" from the aforementioned coatings but not enough of a difference to make a difference.

I think the whole case is supposed to be lacquer coated. The sealant is something different. Found this thread: Lacquer coating on 7.62x39 ammo

I believe lacquer is just to seal the openings around the primer and the bullet to prevent moisture from entering. The polymer coating on the steel case is to to supposedly for self-lubing and to ease friction on the extractor. IMO I don't see a major difference. They're both great. Super reliable.

Lacquer coated cases are usually found in mil-spec 7.62x39 and 5.45x39, other Russian calibers, and serve the purpose of totally sealing the steel case from the outside elements, as well as making the case smooth, less friction, so it feeds and extracts better + more reliably.

Steel, as we know, when left un-coated and exposed to ambient humidity, will rust.

Lacquer coated, mil spec cartridges also typically have sealed case necks and primers, which is usually some other color (red, green, blue, purple, etc). This seals the primer and powder from water/humidity/other elements, which is a main cause of ruined+unreliabily ammo... and what we find in proper military grade cartridges are lacquered AND sealed.

Some of the less expensive, commerical-grade offerings, are polymer coated cases, and are often unsealed cases and primers. The polymer coating is not nearly as good as a corrosion barrier, and is not as smooth as lacquer coated cases. But it is cheaper. Ammo like this is usually under the branding of TulAmmo, Red Army Standard white box (repackaged Tula), Wolf, (repackaged Tula).

Below illustrates this. Left to right order.
Top img: Sealed+lacquered mil spec ammo, laquered + clear sealant Barnaul, Tula with no sealant but polmer coated case. (Notice where the case meets the bullet itself)

Bottom img:The 3 on the left are sealed + lacquered (center is clear sealant) and the two on the right (tula and commercial spec Barnaul) are polymer coated, unsealed primers

 

[DavidC77]

.410 Bore SD ammo at TSUSA

Hornady CD 410 Bore Ammo 41 Caliber FTX Slug over two 35 Caliber
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Not In Stock

 

[DavidC77]

How does Aquilas Standard Velocity compare to CCI SV? Has anybody here compared the two?

I hate it compared to the CCI SV...

The Aquilas runs real dirty, a lot of grease or wax from what I remember, my guns junked up real bad with that Aquilas stuff...

 

[FalArAk]

where have you managed to get a corrosive 7.62x39? so odd, it must be really old.
again, no need for panic there or avoiding it, just clean the barrel same day evening, don`t let it sit. nothing bad will happen.
just odd, i think they stopped making such rounds by 1960s something.

The Yugo ammo that comes in 1200 rounds or so crates is corrosive. I have seen it for sale on here but the seller didn't advertise it as corrosive.

 

[DavidC77]

It is a gun store at 619 Daniel Webster Hwy Merrimack, NH. aka Collectable Arms and Ammo.

Ah OK, Thanks

That's a bit too far for me from Western MA

 

[92G]

I've been shooting Aguila .22 all this week. There is no discernable amount of sticky coating on these just-bought rounds.
Remmy Golden Bullets on the other hand would stick to a wall if thrown at one...



Maybe Aguila is cutting back???

i have a significant quantity of aguila super extra 40 gr from ~2019. They’re coated in a substance that is thin and slick in warm conditions but below ~50F becomes gooey. The result is temperature dependent feeding of the Ruger mark III and IV due to rounds binding in the mags. Perhaps aguila is no longer using this horrible substance. It may be the concentrated tears of mexican leftists…just a hypothesis.

 

[slap shot]

Ah OK, Thanks

That's a bit too far for me from Western MA

Worth the trip. He doesn’t treat ma**h***s like the ma**h***s they are

 

[FalArAk]

Worth the trip. He doesn’t treat ma**h***s like the ma**h***s they are

Just wear a facemask when going into DW, they appreciate it that you care about their health.

 

[DavidC77]

Worth the trip. He doesn’t treat ma**h***s like the ma**h***s they are

I might just have to do a Road Trip...

 

[DavidC77]

Just wear a facemask when going into DW, they appreciate it that you care about their health.

That sounds a bit like "Baiting"...

 

[FalArAk]

That sounds a bit like "Baiting"...

Some call me the master of baiting.

 

[Christian]

Came home to some unexpected swag today. No ammo, but the cleaning kit is an Otis so you know it’s legit and the ammo can is pretty nice as well. For a plastic ammo can the quality is much better than most. Solid lockup with almost a tactile click when it locks/unlocks. Good seal, the handle feels great with the finger grooves, and in general the box seems sturdy.

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Yeah, I just got a Hoppe's pistol cleaning kit(it's a super duper limited edition as it comes pre-marinated in it's own juices).

Two pairs of Champion ear plugs.

And finally a sweet set(2) of the exclusive thin banner stickers like yourself.

 

[enbloc]

i have a significant quantity of aguila super extra 40 gr from ~2019. They’re coated in a substance that is thin and slick in warm conditions but below ~50F becomes gooey. The result is temperature dependent feeding of the Ruger mark III and IV due to rounds binding in the mags. Perhaps aguila is no longer using this horrible substance. It may be the concentrated tears of mexican leftists…just a hypothesis.

I think you are right about the tears.

The ammo is now very clean and no longer has that odd ammonia smell that some call "cat piss" scented.
Very good ammo IMO.

 

[enbloc]

Any big difference between lacquer and poly coatings? Not that I actually ever clean anything.

Not in my Com-bloc rifles. I believe they are built for the steel cased x39 and will eat the lacquer or poly without a care.
From what I've heard, the AR's with 7.62x39 uppers can have issues with coatings, but others don't. If you are going with an AK clone, SKS or something along those lines you
will be able to shoot the lac or poly without any issues.

You did mention that you are partial to brass cased and I've found both the Igman and S&B brass lines are very nice, clean and accurate, with the Igman being my favorite of the two.