Walk up to a piece of plywood at 10' with a 12 gauge and #7.
You'll be a believer
A pellet gun will go through plywood at ten feet too, would you use that for defense?
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Walk up to a piece of plywood at 10' with a 12 gauge and #7.
You'll be a believer
Its not so much the size of the shot in bird rounds but the lack of powder.
I'm drawing a blank on what it's called . It's a type of rock that when you break it , it's kinda looks like a deep purple glass. The shards are razor sharp , guess native Americans used it for blades etc.
Any way my dad has loaded some rounds with it . I don't think a doctor could fix the mess it would make .
Yup that's it .Obsidian?
Its not so much the size of the shot in bird rounds but the lack of powder.
A pellet gun will go through plywood at ten feet too, would you use that for defense?
If it made a gaping hole like that , heck ya
Please tell me you're kidding about the #7-9 bird shot.
+1My point was it doesn't take much to penetrate plywood. Lots of little pellet wounds might look ghastly but is no rival to penetration
I disagree! If you have a gun and are worried that someone might grab the barrel, you need more training. An 18" Mossy 500 or Remmy 870 is easily maneuverable for home defense. Also bird shot (#7-9) has low recoil and at 10' if you hit your target in center mass (again more training) there is very little chance of going through multiple layers of drywall.
Now here's a guy with the right idea.I prefer my 10.3 SBRed AR with 75 gr TAP for HD.
Agree to disagree?
I can transition from pistol to wingchun way faster and more effectively with a pistol than a shotgun of length 26+ inches. In fact I can do most wing chun with a pistol in my hands.
Dont know what wingchun is? Look it up!
Its just a super effective cqb hand to hand form. I dont follow it religiously or anything but I take the good stuff and mix it with krav maga (jewish karate).
It works for me. My chosen home defense pistol is a 1911cco in .357sig with glaser blue slugs.
Im all sorts of wierd that way.
A pellet gun will go through plywood at ten feet too, would you use that for defense?
Dick Cheney couldn't kill a friggin pussified, paper pushing, lite beer drinking lawyer with that birdshot crap, and you want me to protect my loved ones with it? Go 00 buck or go home.I disagree! If you have a gun and are worried that someone might grab the barrel, you need more training. An 18" Mossy 500 or Remmy 870 is easily maneuverable for home defense. Also bird shot (#7-9) has low recoil and at 10' if you hit your target in center mass (again more training) there is very little chance of going through multiple layers of drywall.
Dick Cheney couldn't kill a friggin pussified, paper pushing, lite beer drinking lawyer with that birdshot crap, and you want me to protect my loved ones with it? Go 00 buck or go home.
Who cares. If I shoot someone, I want the mofo as dead as disco.
Here you go:
My point was it doesn't take much to penetrate plywood. Lots of little pellet wounds might look ghastly but is no rival to penetration
I was keeping it in the context of the 10' scenario.
The average charge of 12 gauge # 7 shot is 1oz.
That's equal in weight to a 12 gauge slug
At 10 feet most if not all of the shot is still contained in the wad almost equaling a solid mass ,traveling at 1100-1200 feet per second.
Pretty devastating .
At 25 yards you'd most likely just be in for a long day at the ER having shot picked out.
If both intimidation and ammo capacity are what you want, clearly you need the 870 master key:
AR-15 with a 12 gauge pump mounted M-203 style. Best of both worlds, and who doesn't need an extra five pounds out at the fore-end of their AR?