This is NOT a DQ as a safety issue would be and it's crazy that you didn't get to at least shoot (with no scores)- never the less WATCH the rest of the match!! Sorry about that Jon- that just plain sucks!
If he had to stop shooting, that was a DQ.
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This is NOT a DQ as a safety issue would be and it's crazy that you didn't get to at least shoot (with no scores)- never the less WATCH the rest of the match!! Sorry about that Jon- that just plain sucks!
If he had to stop shooting, that was a DQ.
Guy pays $125 to shoot and gets sent home because his commercial ammo didn't make PF. I don't care what IDPA says- the shooter would continue in my match. No scores would be posted but he'd shoot the day... and tape, pick up brass with his friends...
I had my first DQ ever today at the S&W Indoor IDPA Championships. My factory ammunition failed the chronograph test.
The ammunition in question was Silver Bear 9mm 115gr FMJ. I opened a brand new case last night because I only had 3 boxes of Blazer left and did not want to mix ammunition.
My Glock 17 has always functioned perfectly with this stuff. No problems whacking plates or bowling pins at club level matches.
So I spent $125 in match fees and $50 in child care costs only to shoot 1 of the 14 great stages! On top of that, I had to wait for the match to finish because my passenger Dale was also shooting the match.
I'm not a gamer (not that there is anything wrong with that) so it never occured to me to chronograph factory ammunition.
Enough said.
I don't care what IDPA says- the shooter would continue in my match. No scores would be posted but he'd shoot the day... and tape, pick up brass with his friends...
USPSA has elected officals, IDPA is an autocracy. You may suggest, but Big Bill decides.we all agree the rule suck, what needs to be done is for the issue to be escalated up the chain.
There is an issue with one of USPSA's rules, which is being escalated... hopefully it will get changed
There is an issue with one of USPSA's rules, which is being escalated... hopefully it will get changed
Which one? I didn't know anything about it.
I had my first DQ ever today at the S&W Indoor IDPA Championships. My factory ammunition failed the chronograph test.
The ammunition in question was Silver Bear 9mm 115gr FMJ. I opened a brand new case last night because I only had 3 boxes of Blazer left and did not want to mix ammunition.
My Glock 17 has always functioned perfectly with this stuff. No problems whacking plates or bowling pins at club level matches.
So I spent $125 in match fees and $50 in child care costs only to shoot 1 of the 14 great stages! On top of that, I had to wait for the match to finish because my passenger Dale was also shooting the match.
I'm not a gamer (not that there is anything wrong with that) so it never occured to me to chronograph factory ammunition.
Enough said.
I am disapointed you couldnt "audit" the rest of the match. We had a gentleman in our squad (15) that didnt make chrono and he was allowed to finish the day. He had a box of ammo that was not what it said it was. Sounds like a similar deal to yours.
Geez, I don't know what to think now................
That is not a rule, but a policy. Yes, there is a difference - slot policy is not part of the rulebook, but is a separate board adopoted policy.A class winner at the nationals is not guaranteed a spot at the next nation. But Area (only your Area) winners are
Rather than get all bent out of shape, I've pm'd the MD to ask if someone else got DQ'd and was still able to shoot the match.
The MD is a good guy and IDPA savy. I be surprised by the above.
I'm not a gamer (not that there is anything wrong with that) so it never occured to me to chronograph factory ammunition.
Enough said.
It isn't an MD issue, it is a rule book issue. It is a National Championship match, the MD and all the SOs have to follow the rule book across the board. Doesn't make it right, but it is out of their hands.
To make accusations that someone would DQ a competitor to sell them ammo and make money is insulting.
It isn't an MD issue, it is a rule book issue. It is a National Championship match, the MD and all the SOs have to follow the rule book across the board. Doesn't make it right, but it is out of their hands.
Well, the IDPA rules are IDPA rules. Does't make them anywhere close to right though.
Even running your ammo over a chrono at home is making significant assumptions. Different conditions, different scale, different chrono. Then you have to assume everything is performed correctly. There is enough variability for a great reading at home to be not good enough at the match. Literally, a squirt of oil in the chamber could have made the difference between another great match experience and being grouped with cheaters. Chrono "stages" need to be approached with caution.
The chrono should be used as a scoring tool. Make it and get scored properly, don't make and not get scored at all. That is punishment enough. How does sending anyone home for anything other than being unsafe or unsportsmanlike help the sport?
Everytime I start to get the feeling that IDPA guys are nice enough to put aside my reservations about the organization, I see something like this that straightens me out. Thanks.
Edit to add: The person with 20 posts telling people IDPA doesn't want them needs to revisit the sport. I will match my commitment to this sport to his any day and will also tell him IDPA is always looking for new shooters. Your comments are out of line. I may disagree with some of the posts here but they have a right to an opinion. These little pissing contests really grate on me.
I think you are taking this the wrong way, I have always encouraged new shooters to come and try the sport. What I was referring to here was the people who were bashing IDPA, the match, the MD and everything and everyone else. They weren't at the match, they don't know the rules and they aren't expressing an opinion, they are making judgments on a situation they don't know the full extent of the details. And if that is the case then I really don't think they should be in the sport. I was referring to one or two people, not every poster in this thread.
Second, stay away from IDPA, we don't want you.
and speak for yourself.I don't want you
Rather than get all bent out of shape, I've pm'd the MD to ask if someone else got DQ'd and was still able to shoot the match.
The MD is a good guy and IDPA savy. I be surprised by the above.
Once your DQ'd, for any reason, you are finished shooting. This is in IDPA and IPSC.
Gammon:
Why would you get a rufund when you came to a match with inferior ammo?
Who's fault is that? The Match Director's or the Shooters?
One addition though, The IDPA Rule Book states all sanctioned matches will be on a cold range. How did they get around that rule? Really done now.