Reciprocity gets out of committee - not sure if dupe

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  1. Noreaster78

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    They are not pressed for time, judging by earlier votes. Clock will say 0 for a good 3 - 5 minutes before votes are finalized.

    Votes are not incrementing all that quickly. I bet they are confused on what they are voting for at this point and are getting clarifications.


    Or, everyone left.
     
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    There’s a guy on the phone who was a gun dealer in MA who now lives in AZ. He’s got some salient points about con carry.
     
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    So here we go, vote on passage of HR 38.
    Let me guess, ~230 for ~190 against.
     
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    it just passed
     
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    Wow. Still not outta the woods but another step forward. Now comes the Senate
     
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    231-197. Gotta hand it to the 6 Dems who broke rank.
     
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    Yeah, but 14 repubs jumped. Which was interesting.
     
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    facing re-election fights in states that went red.
     
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    I hear ya. So, it looks like two groups were pissed off today more than anything. That Sarsour lady and the Moms, our job is done for the day.
     
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    Woah. :eek::eek::eek:
     
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    no, bloomturd, giford, brady, all pissed too. We'll see what poison is injected by the Senate next.
     
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    GOA says that it will never make it to a Senate vote. They sent an email last night saying that the joining of the fix NICS bill to the Reciprocity bill was in order to get the Fix NICS bill killed since they knew reciprocity would die in the Senate. This was all a charade to allow House members to get a minute of floor time to beat their breast either against the failure to address the carnage taking place on our streets or the squashing of our constitutional rights depending on what you wanted you constituency to see.
     
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    I wish I was in a state where calling my senator might matter. Hopefully those that are will.

    GOA has been talking this down from the beginning, I'd like to see them proven wrong. I don't know why they are so against it now that the bump stock ban is gone. Maybe they aren't, but it looks that way to me.
     
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    Passed the House
     
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    LOL. You don't think that calling "Pocohontus" or the Ice Cream Man will do any good? They are both very reasonable. ;)

    Saw an article today that said that ATF is looking at legality of Bump Stock.
     
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    Does anyone actually think this will pass the Senate? Are we all arguing for nothing?
     
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    Basically. It is dead in the Senate.

    This is stroke job so Congress can slither home and throw a bone to the 2a mouthbreathers.
     
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    Why do I think he hasn't even read the bill.
     
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    Trump got elected. Anything can happen. Dream bigly!
     
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    No and I'm not arguing.

    Lots of piss lip flapping by people who just don't care about us.

    It's for the children and the votes. Kick the f***ing soap boxes out from under their feet and watch them crawl into their safe places.
     
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    Tomorrow there will be one less evil no vote in the senate.
     
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    Given the NRA's activities a couple years ago in NH (against Constitutional Carry iirc) and Rep Gohmert's track record, I can respect his position. The NICS deal seems like it has morphed into a mistake and he is against the current configuration of the NICS and that is effecting his position on the 'fix'.

    On to the Senate - lets see if they strip out the carry part and just leave the NICS stuff - it is McConnell after all.
     
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  24. jpk

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    The passage of combined NICS/Reciprocity bill isnt a dream.....its a NIGHTMARE

    This bill needs to die
     
  25. gunofthrones

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    I am not sure I followed. You mean more gun control in the states that doesn't require gun license? They can still withhold the current local gun law... just don't travel to our state.
     
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    First and foremost the notion that the fed gov has the power/auth to force states to accept the permitting schemes of other states is BS.....its just another unconstitutional over reach.

    The ONLY constitutional way to do it would be to make constitutional carry the law of the land (ie "Shall not be infringed"

    Second, the dems added the poison pill NICS expansion.

    As I stated previously the bill needs to die because its a bad bill that will screw us all in the long run
     
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    'Shall not be infringed' has not gotten us very far. Even in the Heller case, the court declared 'we will allow some infringement, but we are not going to tell you how much and leave it at that for a decade or so'.
     
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    There are 16 states that say otherwise who have implemented Constitutional Carry or nearly its equivalent.......

    Allowing the federal sausage mill to fark things up with unconstitutional over reach is just a BRILLIANT idea that could ONLY come from battered gun owners from progressive states.

    You dont like your states gun laws then pack up and move......dont advocate that the rest of us need to give up OUR rights to improve YOUR lot in your farked up state
     
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    Just from another angle to look at it: Isn't this the way that Fed Gov to ensure our constitutional right shall not be infringed by telling some states to compliant?
     
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    I mean they are not telling NH what to do, they are telling MA to chill the f*** out.
     

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