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Non-resident CCW?

I was talking to a friend who lives in a CT border town with MA. He explained how he works it this way. But first some background.

For a MA resident, having your LTC taken is truly frightening because it means that if you don't act fast enough, your town will show up at your door and confiscate your firearms.

For a CT resident with a MA LTC, that is not a risk. Even if the CT resident's pistol permit is revoked, you do not need any licenses to merely POSSESS in CT.

If you carry in MA on a valid license but in excess of the restrictions, you are committing a non-criminal civil offense.
If you carry in MA on an expired license, you are committing a non-criminal civil offense.

The danger to a MA resident carrying like this is the likely seizure of their firearms collection.
Like I said above, this is not a risk for a CT resident.

So based on this, what he does is simply continue to carry in MA on an expired license. He renews it every couple of years to show good intent but otherwise just carries in MA.

Thoughts?

Well, something similar has been "suggested" before: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...locate-to-NH?p=3485339&viewfull=1#post3485339

Earlier in that thread, Mike wrote this:

I would hazard a guess that someone with an invalid LTC is going to face "arrest them now and let someone else sort it out later" as opposed to a guy with a valid one. I would also guess that a LEO would be more likely to ignore the dumb restriction garbage than ignore an LTC which is expired. I think "running on the insulation provided in the law on an expired" is a far riskier approach than having something that's valid.

-Mike

My question for your CT friend would be to ask why he bothers to renew it every couple of years "to show good intent." I don't think his intent would ever come into play if he got caught.

IMO, the only thing renewing intermittently is doing for him is that during the times he's strictly legal he isn't facing the arrest-them-now-and-let-someone-else-sort-it-out-later possibility that Mike wrote about. As a CT resident, his gun collection may not be at risk, but I wonder how many MA police officers actually would arrest someone for such a "non-criminal civil offense" and if that were to happen, what could be the ultimate cost (just a fine; no night in jail, no lawyer needed, no work days missed)?
 
My question for your CT friend would be to ask why he bothers to renew it every couple of years "to show good intent." I don't think his intent would ever come into play if he got caught.

IMO, the only thing renewing intermittently is doing for him is that during the times he's strictly legal he isn't facing the arrest-them-now-and-let-someone-else-sort-it-out-later possibility that Mike wrote about. As a CT resident, his gun collection may not be at risk, but I wonder how many MA police officers actually would arrest someone for such a "non-criminal civil offense" and if that were to happen, what could be the ultimate cost (just a fine; no night in jail, no lawyer needed, no work days missed)?

I would agree. The Superior Court case I testified for the Defense this Summer, the guy was charged with possession of a gun and ammo w/o a license amongst other charges. He had an old FID that expired in 1999 and the guns were one blackpowder revolver and one SKS. I wrote in my report that the charge was BS, quoting MGL and at some point those charges were dropped (I was told) but the law didn't stop him from initially being charged with a non-crime.
 
Kingfisher and Len,

Good points, all.

I should have included that this guy is not afraid of being arrested.

Another CT v MA distinction. If you are a MA resident upon arrest in MA for something like this, confiscation is certain if you don't act fast.
If you are a CT resident, there is no threat to your firearms, other than the one you were caught with.

Isn't it interesting how 5 years ago, most of us would never have given information on how to essentially circumvent the law. But now things have gotten so ridiculous that it seems the right thing to do.

Don

p.s. the last time I checked the 1A was still in effect.
 
I was talking to a friend who lives in a CT border town with MA. He explained how he works it this way. But first some background.

For a MA resident, having your LTC taken is truly frightening because it means that if you don't act fast enough, your town will show up at your door and confiscate your firearms.

For a CT resident with a MA LTC, that is not a risk. Even if the CT resident's pistol permit is revoked, you do not need any licenses to merely POSSESS in CT.

If you carry in MA on a valid license but in excess of the restrictions, you are committing a non-criminal civil offense.
If you carry in MA on an expired license, you are committing a non-criminal civil offense.

The danger to a MA resident carrying like this is the likely seizure of their firearms collection.
Like I said above, this is not a risk for a CT resident.

So based on this, what he does is simply continue to carry in MA on an expired license. He renews it every couple of years to show good intent but otherwise just carries in MA.

Thoughts?
Your description of the town showing up at the door and confiscating your firearms is incorrect. Under MGL C.140;S.129D If you have your LTC revoked you must surrender your firearms without delay to the licensing authority where you reside (i.e. CLEO) unless you have filed an appeal. Also upon surrender you will be informed that you have 1 year to transfer the firearms to somebody else who can legally own them. So you have one year (plus the amount of time taken by the appeal) to dispose of your guns.
 
Kingfisher and Len,

Good points, all.

I should have included that this guy is not afraid of being arrested.

Another CT v MA distinction. If you are a MA resident upon arrest in MA for something like this, confiscation is certain[STRIKE=undefined] if you don't act fast
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If you are a CT resident, there is no threat to your firearms, other than the one you were caught with.

Isn't it interesting how 5 years ago, most of us would never have given information on how to essentially circumvent the law. But now things have gotten so ridiculous that it seems the right thing to do.

Don

p.s. the last time I checked the 1A was still in effect.

No, they get confiscated immediately after you get arrested and the letter and/or warrant is issued for MA residents. You don't have time to blink.

No, I don't think doing this is smart. There is no expungement, you have to explain it everywhere and likely will be declared unsuitable for MA and for jobs that learn of the arrest for "gggguns". 1A does not apply in MA, no part of the Constitution applies here. You only have what privileges are given to you in the Commie state.


Your description of the town showing up at the door and confiscating your firearms is incorrect. Under MGL C.140;S.129D If you have your LTC revoked you must surrender your firearms without delay to the licensing authority where you reside (i.e. CLEO) unless you have filed an appeal. Also upon surrender you will be informed that you have 1 year to transfer the firearms to somebody else who can legally own them. So you have one year (plus the amount of time taken by the appeal) to dispose of your guns.

Sorry, wrong (in practice)! Yes, you must surrender immediately and you may or may not be advised of your right to give them to someone of your choosing BUT if the PD wants to screw you, they have Dowd waiting at the PD when they arrive and take them to the bonded warehouse in which case they are "GONE!" Ask Rob Boudrie how this works in reality, he has the direct knowledge of this.

ETA: About the unless you filed an appeal, that's another bogus law. The LE seminars make the point to all the assembled chiefs/LOs that since you hand the person the suspension/revocation letter AND collect the guns at the same time that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the person to have already filed an appeal prior to getting suspended/revoked! Therefore this really does NOT work!!
 
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No, they get confiscated immediately after you get arrested and the letter and/or warrant is issued for MA residents. You don't have time to blink.

No, I don't think doing this is smart. There is no expungement, you have to explain it everywhere and likely will be declared unsuitable for MA and for jobs that learn of the arrest for "gggguns". 1A does not apply in MA, no part of the Constitution applies here. You only have what privileges are given to you in the Commie state.




Sorry, wrong (in practice)! Yes, you must surrender immediately and you may or may not be advised of your right to give them to someone of your choosing BUT if the PD wants to screw you, they have Dowd waiting at the PD when they arrive and take them to the bonded warehouse in which case they are "GONE!" Ask Rob Boudrie how this works in reality, he has the direct knowledge of this.

ETA: About the unless you filed an appeal, that's another bogus law. The LE seminars make the point to all the assembled chiefs/LOs that since you hand the person the suspension/revocation letter AND collect the guns at the same time that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the person to have already filed an appeal prior to getting suspended/revoked! Therefore this really does NOT work!!
Well Len all I can say is that is not what the law says and as with most gun laws in this state it must be left to the discretion of the CLEO because I have personal (family) experience with a revoked LTC and a person being forced to transfer their firearms to another person.

This was in 2014 in a suburb of Worcester. It was prior to the October 2014 law enactment and I am not sure what the law said then.
 
If you carry in MA on an expired license, you are committing a non-criminal civil offense.
Unless you have become a prohibited person under state law, or have applied for a new LTC and been denied - which is why departments are encouraged to keep records of denials forever.

Also, this is not valid for suspended or revoked licenses unless the reason for the suspension/revocation was failure to file a change of address.
 
Well Len all I can say is that is not what the law says and as with most gun laws in this state it must be left to the discretion of the CLEO because I have personal (family) experience with a revoked LTC and a person being forced to transfer their firearms to another person.

This was in 2014 in a suburb of Worcester. It was prior to the October 2014 law enactment and I am not sure what the law said then.

No law change affected what we are talking about here, and it was August 2014 with various effective dates.

A "good" CLEO will work with you and not send them immediately to the bonded warehouse. A CLEO who has it out for you or believes that only police should possess guns may well do differently. The law itself requires immediate confiscation with notification of suspension/revocation . . . again some PDs may violate this law and let you do something different but it wouldn't meet the law.
 
I know of one CLEO in a green town who tries to get guns to the bonded stealhouse as soon as possible since they consider that "easier" than dealing with a dealer. When Dowd comes in the theftmobile, he bring a computer and printer, does his thing, and hands the PD a clean set of paperwork. Less hassle than a dealer new to the game writing up a receipt; the PD verifying his license (LTC and dealer) status; etc.

And then there is the case where the gun owner's attorney called "my client is bringing a dealer" and the PD responded by calling Dowd "please hurry".

but the law didn't stop him from initially being charged with a non-crime.
Similar case in CA - conviction for "high cap AW" for an unaltered SKS. Defendant had incompetent counsel, was convicted and appealed. Prosecution managed to have the appeal denied based on a missed appeal deadline (because the defendant only learned he committed a non-crime after the deadline had passed).
 
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All of which leads to the next point, which is that if you have any investment in firearms, you need to have a plan to quickly and legally get them out of your home.

The first step is for your spouse to get a LTC.

The second step is to have a plan that includes advance discussions with the person receiving the firearms . Preferably in another state.

One route that would be legal and effective is to have hour spouse drive them to NH, then put them into the custody of a dealer there, or have the dealer transfer them to a local resident friend. Remember, no license is required to possess anything in NH. So her drive to the NH FFL would be perfectly legal.

I don't do stupid things, with stupid people in stupid places, and I'm excruciatingly law abiding. I have too much to lose. My days of civil disobedience may come when my kids are grown. But for now, I'm boringly unexciting. So the likelihood of any of this being necessary are very small. About the only thing I could imagine would be in the event of a defensive gun use. Its most likely that my CLEO would revoke my LtC as soon as he found out about it, pending an investigation. He has to politically. I understand.

But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't have a plan to lawfully get them beyond the reach of MA law enforcement.

Don
 
I know of one CLEO in a green town who tries to get guns to the bonded stealhouse as soon as possible since they consider that "easier" than dealing with a dealer. When Dowd comes in the theftmobile, he bring a computer and printer, does his thing, and hands the PD a clean set of paperwork. Less hassle than a dealer new to the game writing up a receipt; the PD verifying his license (LTC and dealer) status; etc.

And then there is the case where the gun owner's attorney called "my client is bringing a dealer" and the PD responded by calling Dowd "please hurry".

Sadly, I think I know who that CLEO is and I would never have expected that of him.


All of which leads to the next point, which is that if you have any investment in firearms, you need to have a plan to quickly and legally get them out of your home.

The first step is for your spouse to get a LTC.

The second step is to have a plan that includes advance discussions with the person receiving the firearms . Preferably in another state.

One route that would be legal and effective is to have hour spouse drive them to NH, then put them into the custody of a dealer there, or have the dealer transfer them to a local resident friend. Remember, no license is required to possess anything in NH. So her drive to the NH FFL would be perfectly legal.

I don't do stupid things, with stupid people in stupid places, and I'm excruciatingly law abiding. I have too much to lose. My days of civil disobedience may come when my kids are grown. But for now, I'm boringly unexciting. So the likelihood of any of this being necessary are very small. About the only thing I could imagine would be in the event of a defensive gun use. Its most likely that my CLEO would revoke my LtC as soon as he found out about it, pending an investigation. He has to politically. I understand.

But that doesn't mean that I shouldn't have a plan to lawfully get them beyond the reach of MA law enforcement.

Don

True, if you could (from a practical point of view) store all your guns all the time in NH it would be best. Since MA is the only state with this bonded warehouse aberration where you actually loss all your property (thousands, tens of thousands of dollars) without any hearing or guilt on your part, other states may or may not confiscate the guns but they can be retrieved and sold or given to another person so that you don't automatically lose your property rights.
 
If you happened to maintain a residence in NH, the state wouldn't even know where they went.

You could lawfully transfer them to another New Hampshire resident with nothing more than a handshake.
Have your spouse loan them to him.
Then drive up and shake hands while he pays you a dollar for your collection. Done deal.
 
After waiting over 10 weeks (I sent 2 emails after 8 weeks,no response. Finally got back to me 10/13/15.) My permit showed it was sent, but never got to me. Issued about 3 weeks prior. I'm guessing they sent to my old address after I sent in my new address and also noted it in my application. I figured I would get unrestricted, I was wrong and restricted to employment. That state sucks. I'm going to renew in 3 months because it took so freaking long to get it this year. I was told 4 weeks, nope, closer to 11 with the wrong address in guessing they sent it to. Gotta love govt programs.
Over 6 months total. My nh permit, 2 days.
 
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After waiting over 10 weeks (I sent 2 emails after 8 weeks,no response. Finally got back to me 10/13/15.) My permit showed it was sent, but never got to me. Issued about 3 weeks prior. I'm guessing they sent to my old address after I sent in my new address and also noted it in my application. I figured I would get unrestricted, I was wrong and restricted to employment. That state sucks. I'm going to renew in 3 months because it took so freaking long to get it this year. I was told 4 weeks, nope, closer to 11 with the wrong address in guessing they sent it to. Gotta love govt programs.
Over 6 months total. My nh permit, 2 days.

Did they send your LTC in one of their letterhead envelopes, or in the SASE that you included with your application?

My experience is that how they decide that seems to be very closely linked to (1) what you write on open ended portion of the application and (2) what you discuss with the individual processing your interview.
 
I got an early appointment because of a cancellation. It was three weeks Friday since my renewal interveiw, they said at least 8 weeks.

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Did they send your LTC in one of their letterhead envelopes, or in the SASE that you included with your application?

My experience is that how they decide that seems to be very closely linked to (1) what you write on open ended portion of the application and (2) what you discuss with the individual processing your interview.

Nope it was one they wrote out. I forgot about the stamped self addressed envelope I sent with the app. I would have my new address on that one as well.
I told them about my work in MA and how I was in MA on weekends as well. It's ridiculous you have to convince someone that it's ok to exercise you 2nd amendment rights everyday. I discussed with the interviewer and they told me to list areas where I'd be since that would help with getting an unrestricted permit. You list bad areas and they still screw you over.
 
Sadly, I think I know who that CLEO is and I would never have expected that of him.
My psychic sense tells me which one you are thinking of. While he runs a solidly green department, his policy is "get them to the thefthouse quickly since it's easiest", however, he is not the one who I have heard of making a "hurry up" call after being informed the owner's designated dealer was on the way.

If you carry in MA on an expired license, you are committing a non-criminal civil offense.
Unless you have become a prohibited person; had the license revoked for reason other than failure to file a change of address; or had a renewal in MA subsequently denied.

If you are going to use the "carry on an expired MA LTC" hack, have the number of a good gun specialist attorney and $5K for a retainer handy.
 
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I got my renewal today 5 weeks after my interview, I called Wednesday and asked about status and they said they would send it right out. My permit is still unrestricted. Time to start the 6 month countdown to when I'll mail the renewal again.
 
Odds of new NR applicant being restricted to "employment"?

I figured I would get unrestricted, I was wrong and restricted to employment. That state sucks.
If I have a fair chance of getting a permit restricted to "employment", I may finally apply for MA non-resident, I can live with that restriction, I really only enter Massachusetts for work and to go to New Deal fish market.

I was told 4 weeks, nope, closer to 11 with the wrong address in guessing they sent it to. Gotta love govt programs. Over 6 months total. My nh permit, 2 days.
It's almost as if they do it intentionally to discourage applicants. [rolleyes]
 
How I got a Mass non-resident unrestricted CCW

You can get an unresitricted non-resident CCW permit in Massachusetts, but you have to be willing to jump through the hoops correctly. The hoops are a pain, but they can be negotiated by a careful and determined person. The hoops are designed to a) collect money, and b) weed out casual people who aren't dead-on committed to having the non-resident CCW.

As others have said, you need a good reason for them to issue you an unrestricted license. I earnestly believe that most people can come up with something, if they're creative. Don't lie, just be creative if you have to. In my case, I had a childhood friend who became a narcotics dealer during his twenties. This particular individual kept trying to contact me despite telling him I wasn't interested in resuming our friendship. So, I argued that I felt I needed to have an unrestricted CCW permit for self protection, since I live near the Mass border. Easy-peasy... an unrestricted non-resident permit was granted.

Once you get the unrestricted permit, it's much easier to get it renewed each year. You still have to fill out the form that describes the reason for the unrestricted permit, but I just copy the same text from year to year on every application. After the first year, they didn't even ask me about my reasons for "unrestricted" in the interview. I've renewed my unrestricted non-resident permit for 5 years now, and after the first year they've never asked me again about my reasons for wanting an unrestricted CCW.

As others have said, they are a bunch of hoops you must jump through to get the non-resident CCW for Mass. You have to plan ahead and make sure you get all your ducks in a row, or you they just return the application to you on a technicality. Be prepared to deal with the following minutia, "every year", year after year:
1. $100 fee every year. This means a special trip to the post office to get a postal money order for $100.
2. Fill out the 3 page application every year. They just revised the application in 2015. Save a copy of your application, so after you get approved the first year, you can copy the exact same words for subsequent renewal applications.
3. When you renew, make sure you answer the question "Have you ever held a firearms license in any other state, territory or jurisdiction?" with "YES", and list "Massachusetts" as the location and provide your current Mass non-resident CCW ID number.
4. Scan a copy of your town's local CCW permit, and save it so you can re-print it each year on renewal. You need to include this in the application "kit" you send them.
5. Have some standard envelopes and stamps available so you can quickly & easily create a self-addressed stamped envelope. They require you to send this with your application "kit" so they can mail you your new CCW license.
6. The first year only, you need to have a copy of your certificate for a Mass-certified firearms training class. After the first year, you don't need this any more.
7. Get some full-size priority mail cardboard envelopes to to put your application "kit" in. The kit includes: $100 postal money order, 3 page application, copy of local town CCW permit, copy of Mass-certified firearms certificate, self-addressed stamped return envelope.
8. Understand and be prepared to go to Chelsea MA for an interview every year. Your schedule needs to be flexible enough to show up on the date/time they give you. You don't get to pick the date or time. Asking them to reschedule will cause months of extra delay.

Get all this stuff organized so that each year the renewal is less painful. Once you get the unrestricted non-resident CCW, don't let it lapse-- the interview is much easier when you renew an "unrestricted" than to get a new one. Which brings me to the next point: be prepared to plan MONTHS in advance, every year for the renewal.

The non-resident permit is good for only one year, but the whole process takes at least 4 months (sometimes 5), so you have to plan many months ahead to avoid a lapse. In my case, my non-resident CCW expires each year in May, so I submit all my paper work in December. After you submit your application "kit", it takes a few weeks and they will email you a date/time for the interview. The date will be many months away, so it is important than you submit the paper work at least 4 (if not 5) months in advance of when your old license will expire. Make sure you can get the time off from work (it will be during the day on a weekday).

Show up for the interview dressed as though you are taking your wife/girlfriend to a nice dinner. You don't need a suit or tie (that would probably raise red flags), but don't be in scrappy jeans and t-shirt either. Something like khakis and a simple button-down shirt is good. When you talk to the interviewer, talk as though you really earnestly believe you need an unrestricted permit. Don't sell your case short, even if you've been a little "creative" with your reasoning for a unrestricted CCW. In my case it was "Yes, this childhood friend now has a long criminal record from narcotics and weapons charges. I've told this person not to contact me but they keep contacting me against my will. I absolutely DO feel that I am much safer with a means of defending myself."

The interview is an exercise in passing the proverbial "smell test". They don't have time to verify every detail you tell them-- they're looking for red flags in your presentation that suggest that you're bull-shitting them. That doesn't mean you should take the liberty to outright lie, but you do need to BELIEVE IN YOURSELF when you speak, and you should speak with conviction. Be natural; don't be cocky; be down-to-earth; project a "reachable" demeanor; be believable. If you combine a good presentation (no red flags) with some kind of reasonable reason for an unrestricted license, you will probably get one.

After the interview, you will receive the license in the mail in a few more weeks. Last year (in 2015), they were backed up and it actually took almost 2 months to get the license after the interview. I can't say it enough-- plan ahead (months) so that your non-resident CCW license doesn't lapse.

Good luck.
 
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You can get an unrestricted non-resident CCW permit in Massachusetts, but you have to be willing to jump through the hoops correctly. The hoops are a pain, but they can be negotiated by a careful and determined person. The hoops are designed to a) collect money, and b) weed out casual people who aren't dead-on committed to having the non-resident CCW.

As others have said, you need a good reason for them to issue you an unrestricted license. I earnestly believe that most people can come up with something, if they're creative. Don't lie, just be creative if you have to. In my case, I had a childhood friend who became a narcotics dealer during his twenties. This particular individual kept trying to contact me despite telling him I wasn't interested in resuming our friendship. So, I argued that I felt I needed to have an unrestricted CCW permit for self-protection, since I live near the Mass border. Easy-peasy... an unrestricted non-resident permit was granted.

Once you get the unrestricted permit, it's much easier to get it renewed each year. You still have to fill out the form that describes the reason for the unrestricted permit, but I just copy the same text from year to year on every application. After the first year, they didn't even ask me about my reasons for "unrestricted" in the interview. I've renewed my unrestricted non-resident permit for 5 years now, and after the first year they've never asked me again about my reasons for wanting an unrestricted CCW.

As others have said, they are a bunch of hoops you must jump through to get the non-resident CCW for Mass. You have to plan ahead and make sure you get all your ducks in a row, or you they just return the application to you on a technicality. Be prepared to deal with the following minutia, "every year", year after year:
1. $100 fee every year. This means a special trip to the post office to get a postal money order for $100.
2. Fill out the 3 page application every year. They just revised the application in 2015. Save a copy of your application, so after you get approved the first year, you can copy the exact same words for subsequent renewal applications.
3. When you renew, make sure you answer the question "Have you ever held a firearms license in any other state, territory or jurisdiction?" with "YES", and list "Massachusetts" as the location and provide your current Mass non-resident CCW ID number.
4. Scan a copy of your town's local CCW permit, and save it so you can re-print it each year on renewal. You need to include this in the application "kit" you send them.
5. Have some standard envelopes and stamps available so you can quickly & easily create a self-addressed stamped envelope. They require you to send this with your application "kit" so they can mail you your new CCW license.
6. The first year only, you need to have a copy of your certificate for a Mass-certified firearms training class. After the first year, you don't need this anymore.
7. Get some full-size priority mail cardboard envelopes to put your application "kit" in. The kit includes: $100 postal money order, 3 page application, copy of local town CCW permit, copy of Mass-certified firearms certificate, self-addressed stamped return envelope.
8. Understand and be prepared to go to Chelsea MA for an interview every year. Your schedule needs to be flexible enough to show up on the date/time they give you. You don't get to pick the date or time. Asking them to reschedule will cause months of extra delay.

Get all this stuff organized so that each year the renewal is less painful. Once you get the unrestricted non-resident CCW, don't let it lapse-- the interview is much easier when you renew an "unrestricted" than to get a new one. Which brings me to the next point: be prepared to plan MONTHS in advance, every year for the renewal.

The non-resident permit is good for only one year, but the whole process takes at least 4 months (sometimes 5), so you have to plan many months ahead to avoid a lapse. In my case, my non-resident CCW expires each year in May, so I submit all my paper work in December. After you submit your application "kit", it takes a few weeks and they will email you a date/time for the interview. The date will be many months away, so it is important than you submit the paper work at least 4 (if not 5) months in advance of when your old license will expire. Make sure you can get the time off from work (it will be during the day on a weekday).

Show up for the interview dressed as though you are taking your wife/girlfriend to a nice dinner. You don't need a suit or tie (that would probably raise red flags), but don't be in scrappy jeans and t-shirt either. Something like khakis and a simple button-down shirt is good. When you talk to the interviewer, talk as though you really earnestly believe you need an unrestricted permit. Don't sell your case short, even if you've been a little "creative" with your reasoning for an unrestricted CCW. In my case it was "Yes, this childhood friend now has a long criminal record from narcotics and weapons charges. I've told this person not to contact me but they keep contacting me against my will. I absolutely DO feel that I am much safer with a means of defending myself."

The interview is an exercise in passing the proverbial "smell test". They don't have time to verify every detail you tell them-- they're looking for red flags in your presentation that suggest that you're bull-shitting them. That doesn't mean you should take the liberty to outright lie, but you do need to BELIEVE IN YOURSELF when you speak, and you should speak with conviction. Be natural; don't be cocky; be down-to-earth; project a "reachable" demeanor; be believable. If you combine a good presentation (no red flags) with some kind of reasonable reason for an unrestricted license, you will probably get one.

After the interview, you will receive the license in the mail in a few more weeks. Last year (in 2015), they were backed up and it actually took almost 2 months to get the license after the interview. I can't say it enough-- plan ahead (months) so that your non-resident CCW license doesn't lapse.

Good luck.

I also have an unrestricted MA non-resident LTC, I recently went through my first renewal process. I agree with just about everything written in this post. I suggest sending your renewal in 6 months before expiration if you don't want a lapse in your license. There is NO GRACE PERIOD for non-residents.
 
Don't forget that if you have a non res license and carry outside the restrictions or let it lapse and keep carrying, you are committing a civil offense, not a criminal one.

If I was not a resident and had any inclination to carry in MA, I would at least get it once. Then you are pretty clean even if you don't renew every year.

Don
 
Thank you very much for the info. I myself am moving to NH while keeping my practice in MA. I appreciate all the info very helpful.
If you have a business in a (green) town in Massachusetts, [thread=119513]you have the option of applying locally[/thread]. This gives you the lower price and longer renewal cycle.
 
Don't forget that if you have a non res license and carry outside the restrictions or let it lapse and keep carrying, you are committing a civil offense, not a criminal one.

If I was not a resident and had any inclination to carry in MA, I would at least get it once. Then you are pretty clean even if you don't renew every year.

Don
Is this stated in writing somewhere? I would like to see it.
 
Don't forget that if you have a non res license and carry outside the restrictions or let it lapse and keep carrying, you are committing a civil offense, not a criminal one.

If I was not a resident and had any inclination to carry in MA, I would at least get it once. Then you are pretty clean even if you don't renew every year.

Don
Also, remember the civil offense for an expired LTC is $100 - $5000, but carry outside of restrictions is $1000 - $10,000. See Mass General Law Chapter 140 Section 131(m).

You will likely need to hire an attorney if you carry on an expired LTC, but will prevail - probably before trial.

An expired LTC is not valid if revoked for any reason other than failure to file a change of address; if you have applied for a renewal or new LTC and been denied; or if you have become statutorily ineligible.
 
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I can attest to the time delay. I just got my second renewal license in the mail a couple weeks ago and it took a full three months from interview to receipt. Having said that, every year I pleaded my case for less restrictions, and this time finally got an unrestricted non resident LTC (third time really is the charm)! They FRB told me the long delay was because of the "status change" on the restrictions. I agree on what scubadive.ri said on the overall time frame as well. Start the process at least 5 months before expiration. My interview was two months after I submitted my renewal application. I got my new non resident LTC literally the same week the old one was set to expire!
 
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