(NH) PGNH advisor intends to vote for passage of HB135 (Repeal of Stand Your Ground)

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It is our understanding that PGNH advisor (Rep. Dan Eaton) intends to vote for the passage of HB135. Please let him know how you feel about this decision.


Representative Daniel Eaton (d)
Cheshire- District 03
Seat #:3007
Former

Home Address:
1 Shedd Hill Rd
Stoddard, NH 03464-4423
Phone: (603)446-3535

Claiming to be a supporter of gun rights and voting against this bill is hypocrisy.
Please let Rep. Eaton know that you are watching his every move as a step rep.
He is elected to represent the towns of Gilsum, Nelson, Stoddard, Sullivan
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Pro-Gun New Hampshire
Council of Advisors
as of November 7, 2012

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Dan Eaton - State Representative; former Chief of Police, Stoddard, NH

PGNH Board of Directors, Council of Advisors, and Corporate Staff | Pro-Gun New Hampshire
 
How the hell could someone heading up a gun rights organization intend to vote against protections for people who are forced to defend themselves and sleep at night?

Thank you for your hard work, sir.
 
(NH) PGNH advisor intends to vote for passage of HB135 (Repeal of Stand Your Gr

Why does the language of laws have to be do confusing its like they purposely make it riddles so even vague things can be referred to that law.
If some one comes on my property and is ****ing with my cars I can pull out my gun tell the guy to get the **** on the ground and call police correct? There is no longer a law against brandishing a weapon in effort to de escalate or stop a crime? This bill overturns it makes it so self defense is only legal in your house and you can then be sued and also you can't pull your gun on some one inside your house because you'd be brandishing?
 
Why does the language of laws have to be do confusing its like they purposely make it riddles so even vague things can be referred to that law.
If some one comes on my property and is ****ing with my cars I can pull out my gun tell the guy to get the **** on the ground and call police correct? There is no longer a law against brandishing a weapon in effort to de escalate or stop a crime? This bill overturns it makes it so self defense is only legal in your house and you can then be sued and also you can't pull your gun on some one inside your house because you'd be brandishing?

The bill only affect stand your ground. civil immunity was removed in committee and would still be on the books if this passed, as would brandishing.

Also note, NH castle law extends to your "curtilage."

Curtilage as defined in chapter 627:9:
"Curtilage'' means those outbuildings which are proximately, directly and intimately connected with a dwelling, together with all the land or grounds surrounding the dwelling such as are necessary, convenient, and habitually used for domestic purposes.
 
The bill only affect stand your ground. civil immunity was removed in committee and would still be on the books if this passed, as would brandishing.

Also note, NH castle law extends to your "curtilage."

Curtilage as defined in chapter 627:9:

It's good to know you won't get sued while in prison for defending yourself.
 
It's good to know you won't get sued while in prison for defending yourself.

Actually you could. Civil immunity only applies if it was determined that you were justified in using deadly force. If stand your ground is removed, if you don't first retreat or could have retreated then you did not have legal justification to use deadly force and the civil immunity does not apply.
 
Thanks to all who made calls and sent emails. PGNH advisor Rep Eaton , republican members Reps. Fields, Vallincourt, Kidder voted to pass the measure. The Senate has promised to kill this bill
 
I'll keep an eye out next year. I will definitely be trying to volunteer my time for campaigns to oust some of these guys. I myself can't afford to be a rep otherwise I'd run myself.
 
Actually you could. Civil immunity only applies if it was determined that you were justified in using deadly force. If stand your ground is removed, if you don't first retreat or could have retreated then you did not have legal justification to use deadly force and the civil immunity does not apply.

I was going for tongue in check. Gotta work on that.
 
I got this from one of my critters:

Thank you for writing me about this issue. There has been some misunderstanding and misinformation about HB 135.

Fortunately, HB 135 as amended does not take away one's right to self-defense or prohibit one from using deadly force in defense of another. If you are in a public place and know that you cannot retreat with 100% certainty of safety to yourself or a third party, you are justified in using deadly force. HB 135 as amended does, in fact, return us to the self defense standard that was law in New Hampshire for more than three decades. The current standard was enacted during the past biennium despite objection from most law enforcement agencies and the veto of Governor Lynch.

HB 135 does NOT:
Prevent anyone from owning or carrying guns.
Deny the right to defend one’s self, family or property from harm or robbery.
Prohibit the use of deadly force anywhere a person has a legal right to be.
Force anyone to turn and run from an attack.
Stop someone from brandishing a weapon to stop another person from being attacked.
Require a victim to prove to the police that they could retreat in complete safety.
Change the practices of responsible gun owners as they already think before they shoot.

I have include below the Committee report, the original text of the bill and the proposed amendment to the bill. Again, I thank you for your interest and your email. It is appreciated.

The NH House will likely take up HB135 during session, today.

Sincerely,
Shannon Chandley





CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND PUBLIC SAFETY
HB 135, relative to physical force in defense of a person and relative to the definition of non-deadly force. MAJORITY: OUGHT TO PASS WITH AMENDMENT. MINORITY: INEXPEDIENT TO LEGISLATE. Rep. Steve Vaillancourt for the Majority of Criminal Justice and Public Safety: This bill, which has been a focus of much attention and a lengthy hearing in Reps Hall, came to the committee with three sections. The committee, in an attempt to reach compromise which balances rights of freedom with safety interests of society, always a delicate balance, accepted an amendment which eliminates two of the three sections of the bill. All that remains is section one which repeals what is widely referred to as the stand your ground provision which was passed last year. This bill does not prevent anyone from owning or carrying guns. It simply takes us back to the practice that was in effect for more than three decades (and was never challenged in court) which affirms that a person is not justified in using deadly force on another if he or she can retreat from the encounter. Note that nothing about the bill prevents one from using deadly force if retreat is not deemed possible. Also note that the person is not required to retreat if the incident occurs on his or her private property. Thus, the castle doctrine is left intact. The committee believes a legitimate difference can and should be drawn between actions in defense of one’s home and actions in common or public areas. The committee amendment removes the controversial section (two), referred to by some as the “brandishing” section in recognition of the Ward Bird case. In other words, what Ward Bird did in the famous case would still be legal because it was in regard to his own property. The committee, in concurrence with the sponsor, also removed section three which would have repealed a statute relative to civil immunity for the use of force. In other words, civil immunity will remain for those using force. Many reasons were stated for retaining section one of the bill, the most salient being that ours would be a safer society if people are not encouraged to use guns on the street as a first resort. Some committee members thought of times when they ran into problems on the street, problems which were resolved but could well have escalated had they or those around them attempted to draw weapons. The majority understands that some will not be happy with passage of even a single section of this bill, but the amendment should be seen as a compromise that most should be able to live with. Vote 12-6.
Rep. Kyle J Tasker for the Minority of Criminal Justice and Public Safety: The minority feels this bill has no demonstrable merit and it would be foolish to change the law every two years without giving current law a chance to demonstrate results. This body is not so fickle as to remove a right once granted.


135 – AS INTRODUCED

STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Thirteen

AN ACT
relative to physical force in defense of a person and relative to the definition of non-deadly force.
Be it Enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court convened:

1 Physical Force in Defense of a Person. Amend RSA 627:4, III to read as follows:
III. A person is not justified in using deadly force on another to defend himself or herself or a third person from deadly force by the other if he or she knows that he or she and the third person
can, with complete safety:
(a) Retreat from the encounter, except that he or she is not required to retreat if he or
she is within his or her dwelling[,] or its curtilage, [or anywhere he or she has a right to be,] and was not the initial aggressor; or
(b) Surrender property to a person asserting a claim of right thereto; or
(c) Comply with a demand that he or she abstain from performing an act which he or she is not obliged to perform; nor is the use of deadly force justifiable when, with the purpose of causing death or serious bodily harm, the person has provoked the use of force against himself or herself in the same encounter; or
(d) If he or she is a law enforcement officer or a private person assisting the officer at the officer's direction and was acting pursuant to RSA 627:5, the person need not retreat.

2 Justification; Definition of Non-deadly Force. Amend RSA 627:9, IV to read as follows:
IV. “Non-deadly force” means any assault or confinement which does not constitute deadly
force. [The act of producing or displaying a weapon shall constitute non-deadly force.]

3 Repeal. RSA 627:1-a, relative to civil immunity for the use of force, is repealed.

4 Effective Date. This act shall take effect 60 days after its passage.
 
Anyone can go to Contact us | Pro-Gun New Hampshire and let them know your opinion of Rep Eaton- they have a front page article where they point out that 3 votes the other way would've made the difference...

I sent them a nastygram via that link.

I guess PGNH is not an organization I can count on to fight for my rights when one of its ADVISERS, Rep. Dan Eaton, votes to steal them from me.

Until Mr. Eaton is no longer an adviser to PGNH, I will actively advise everyone I know to avoid supporting PGNH with their money and their voice.

Best Regards,
 
Although the vote did not end like I/we wanted, we started off ~25 votes going the wrong way and only had 5 votes at the end.
The Senate no longer has any wiggle room to say that the bill had significant support in the house when almost 10% of the votes against the passage of the bill came from the democrats.

The members of House Majority Leadership were able to arm twist just enough votes to get this bill to pass, but the bill is now being seen for what it is. Radical gun [people] control.

The opposition to the bill were clearly supporting the will of the people as the opposition had significant bipartisan support attempting to kill this bill.
Please thank those who voted against the passage and call those who voted for the bill and express your displeasure at their vote.
-Design
 
Although the vote did not end like I/we wanted, we started off ~25 votes going the wrong way and only had 5 votes at the end.
The Senate no longer has any wiggle room to say that the bill had significant support in the house when almost 10% of the votes against the passage of the bill came from the democrats.

The members of House Majority Leadership were able to arm twist just enough votes to get this bill to pass, but the bill is now being seen for what it is. Radical gun [people] control.

The opposition to the bill were clearly supporting the will of the people as the opposition had significant bipartisan support attempting to kill this bill.
Please thank those who voted against the passage and call those who voted for the bill and express your displeasure at their vote.
-Design

JR, you must have read my mind. Earlier tonight I emailed two of my reps, who voted against this awful bill, thanking them for voting the correct way and for fighting the good fight. I also emailed my State Senator asking him to vote against it.
 
I got this from one of my critters:

Make no mistake, Shannon Chandley is a far-left socialist who voted against every pro-freedom and pro- gun piece of legislation in her last session, and is keeping up her track record this session. She's an embarrassment who only squeaked back into office because Doykmo ran as an "Independent," and syphoned off a lot of Rep votes.

- - - Updated - - -

I sent them a nastygram via that link.

Most excellent. Please let us know if they respond.
 
Now is time to plan to take the 1/2 day off to be at the Senate hearing on this bill. I will post as soon as I have the details.
 
Now is time to plan to take the 1/2 day off to be at the Senate hearing on this bill. I will post as soon as I have the details.

Thanks for your sacrifices Rep. Hoell. I think I speak for all of us here when I say we really appreciate what you're doing in the trenches and keeping us informed. I'm sure there are a thousand other things you would rather be doing than duking it out with these miscreants...
 
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