NH Anti-gun bills in the Senate...

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I'm not saying these current bills don't rate a 7 or 8, but maybe we should hold some of our ammo for when the 9s & 10s come down the pipe?

Nobody is saying to accept these bad bills, but maybe dial back the hyperbole? For example, I see a lot of messages calling out the "waiting period" bill as being a gun registration bill. This is disingenuous, and makes me not trust the messenger.


I agree with the general "everything pegs the meter" sentiment -- with the NRA-style hyperbole where every "call to action" is phrased as if every bill is the end of the world, the recipients inevitably suffer from motivational fatigue.

They've used up all the adjectives already, don't appear to have kept any in reserve for bigger threats in the future.
There are no small threats .
Has anyone ever said " Just the tip , I swear." and not been lying ?
If it has to do with guns and it's proposed by a democrat , it's to screw us long or short term.
Look at what CA is doing with red flag laws .
It started out as immediate family being able to file and now that it passed your kid's teacher or the freaking mailman are now getting added on.
Not one inch.
 

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Speaking of hyperbole, NAGR/Dudley Brown now have my legislative email address, and I'm getting daily "ZOMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!111!! (so send us money to stop it!)" emails from them.
 

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NHFC may or may not still feel this way about HB514 after amendments, but Granite Grok's Rick Olson definitely still does, he made the same claim about the waiting period bill just yesterday, Sure, JPK takes GG with a bucket of salt on RKBA issues, but Rick isn't nobody.
Please dont put words in my mouth or presume to know what my opinion on GG broadly or individual authors that contribute to GG may be.

I frequently quote GG and a number of contributors to GG and hold a great many of their contributors and the work they do in high regard
 
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Are we here to have a personal disagreement, or to discuss stopping these bills?

Assuming the goal is to stop "the march toward draconian gun control that mirrors metropolitan, Democrat-controlled sewers like Chicago" (to quote Rick Olson) perhaps we shouldn't discount members who feel "everything pegs the meter" is not the best way to motivate people who generally agree with us?

Please dont put words in my mouth or presume to know what my opinion on GG broadly or individual authors that contribute to GG may be.

I frequently quote GG and a number of contributors to GG and hold a great many of their contributors and the work they do in high regard
That's a direct quote:: NH Voters: Dr. Levenson for Congeress 2nd District.(beware)
I take GG with a bucket of salt on RKBA issues after all of the shenanigans/infighting/hypocritical reporting/bashing of bills in last year.
So getting back to "motivational fatigue", I stand behind my suggestion that Rick Olson went overboard a few days ago when he suggests the waiting period bill is a registration bill and states "That sneaky little gun registration scheme finds its way into the statute" in regards to HB 514 FN.
 

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So getting back to "motivational fatigue", I stand behind my suggestion that Rick Olson went overboard a few days ago when he suggests the waiting period bill is a registration bill and states "That sneaky little gun registration scheme finds its way into the statute" in regards to HB 514 FN.
I think Rick is right on target......

All of these bills are terribly written.....usually intentionally and loaded with ambiguous back doors and language that can be used by corrupt individuals within law enforcement and activist judges to ruin people's lives, the lives and reputations of them/their families and destroy their ability to hold jobs as a result

These people are trying to weaponize the legal code so they can use it against their political opponents and enemies.....if you doubt that then take a closer look at what went on in the 2016 elections and is still going on today

If you think for a single second that Altschiller, Rogers, Shurtleff and others dont hate your guts and wish you were dead then you're not paying attention to what these people are doing right in front of your face in plain sight and daring you to do something about it
 
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NHFC alert from yesterday.


I wanted to bring our members up to speed on what happened in Concord this past week. Well,.. the House and Senate have spoken and based on their votes, the progressive liberals running the State House conspired against the people of New Hampshire to ‘torch’ the Constitution.

Yes, you heard me correctly. The legislators running the State House burned through any protections in either the New Hampshire Constitution or the Bill of Rights of the US Constitution.

Two weeks ago, HB696 ‘Elder Care Gun Confiscation’ went to a Committee of Conference with a minimal vestige of due process in the legislation. However, the Bill that came out of the Committee of Conference removed all due process protections! The bill now openly requires gun confiscation with NO OVERSIGHT even from a court (as limited as that is/was).
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I think Rick is right on target......

All of these bills are terribly written.....usually intentionally and loaded with ambiguous back doors and language that can be used by corrupt individuals within law enforcement and activist judges to ruin people's lives, the lives and reputations of them/their families and destroy their ability to hold jobs as a result

These people are trying to weaponize the legal code so they can use it against their political opponents and enemies.....if you doubt that then take a closer look at what went on in the 2016 elections and is still going on today

If you think for a single second that Altschiller, Rogers, Shurtleff and others dont hate your guts and wish you were dead then you're not paying attention to what these people are doing right in front of your face in plain sight and daring you to do something about it

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Anyone need a better reason than this below to take a few minutes to write the governor over the weekend and call him on mon am to remind him to veto these 4 bills?

Its not as if 696 is the epitome of the violation off due process, private property rights and a raft of other foundational rights.......

Independence Day 2019
 
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Last weekend for this petition.
Four good reasons to sign:
1. We need to stand together to protect our rights
2. We don't want to be like the other states that are passing gun control.
3. We want to demonstrate that if the gun owners stand together, we can stop gun Bloomberg and his puppets
4. And if you call the Governor as well, NHFC will send you a free bumper sticker. https://www.nhfc-ontarget.org/2019/06/action-alerts/veto-bumper-sticker2/

https://www.nhfc-ontarget.org/petition-to-stop-all-proposed-2019-anti-gun-legislation/

PS. there is about 100 stickers left. Call on Monday to get yours
 

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You know what to do and when to do it.....

HB 109 Bill Title: requiring background checks for commercial firearms sales.
HB 514 Bill Title: imposing a waiting period between the purchase and delivery of a firearm.
HB 564 Bill Title: (New Title) relative to possession of firearms on school property.
HB 696 Bill Title: establishing a protective order for vulnerable adults.\

Gov. Sununu: (603) 271-2121
 
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I got a reply from Chris:

Dear Joseph,

Thank you for contacting my office with your support for ensuring that second amendment rights
remain unchanged in New Hampshire.

When I ran for governor, I made a commitment to the people of New Hampshire that I would
protect our second amendment rights, and that's what I have done. The first bill I signed as
Governor was SB 12 - Constitutional Carry - ensuring that New Hampshire citizens are
guaranteed the fundamental right to carry a firearm in defense of themselves and their families,
as prescribed by Article 2a of our state constitution.

I believe that New Hampshire does it right. Our laws are well crafted and fit our culture of
responsible gun ownership and individual freedom. We should continue to focus our attention on
the problems we can solve and to work to ensure that New Hampshire continues as one of the
safest states in the nation. As long as I am in Concord, you can count on me to protect your
constitutional rights, and promote the principals of justice, equality of opportunity, and personal
responsibility.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions on this important issue. Please do not hesitate
to contact me should you have additional feedback or questions.

Sincerely,

Christopher T. Sununu
Governor
 

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I got a reply from Chris:

Dear Joseph,

Thank you for contacting my office with your support for ensuring that second amendment rights
remain unchanged in New Hampshire.

When I ran for governor, I made a commitment to the people of New Hampshire that I would
protect our second amendment rights, and that's what I have done. The first bill I signed as
Governor was SB 12 - Constitutional Carry - ensuring that New Hampshire citizens are
guaranteed the fundamental right to carry a firearm in defense of themselves and their families,
as prescribed by Article 2a of our state constitution.

I believe that New Hampshire does it right. Our laws are well crafted and fit our culture of
responsible gun ownership and individual freedom. We should continue to focus our attention on
the problems we can solve and to work to ensure that New Hampshire continues as one of the
safest states in the nation. As long as I am in Concord, you can count on me to protect your
constitutional rights, and promote the principals of justice, equality of opportunity, and personal
responsibility.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and opinions on this important issue. Please do not hesitate
to contact me should you have additional feedback or questions.

Sincerely,

Christopher T. Sununu
Governor
What concerns me is that he didnt state that he would veto all four of the bills in question
 
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Most likely one of several form letters but it shows he is responsive and pro 2a. He has previously said that he will veto all 4.
 

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Most likely one of several form letters but it shows he is responsive and pro 2a. He has previously said that he will veto all 4.
I hope you're right because I'm not aware of anyone who's called/written his office having been provided assurances that the Gov will veto any of them let alone all 4.

If anyone has I'm sure folks would like to see that response, I know I would feel a lot better if they would make a statement/commitment in writing
 

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HB 109 Bill Title: requiring background checks for commercial firearms sales" ENROLLED and should be sent to Sec of State and Gov within the next week.
HB 514 Bill Title: imposing a waiting period between the purchase and delivery of a firearm: ENROLLED and should be sent to Sec of State and Gov within the next week.
HB 564 Bill Title: (New Title) relative to possession of firearms on school property.....Passsed/NOT YET ENROLLED
HB 696 Bill Title: Red Flag: CoC Amendment passed by Senate and House.......NOT YET ENROLLED

Why are the two most contentious bills still not yet enrolled in either the house or senate?
 
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I posted this a couple weeks back, I saw him at the American Legion Ashland NH, I personally face to face asked him about the 4 anti gun bills, and if he was going to veto all 4?. He quickly responded, he will veto all 4 anti gun bills. But, yes , still make the calls, he needs the calls.
 
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I am hearing that a group of lobbyists is working overtime to 'salvage' HB696. They have managed to convince some that this is *not* a anti-gun bill and therefore the Governor can sign it. Time for more calls.
 
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I am hearing that a group of lobbyists is working overtime to 'salvage' HB696. They have managed to convince some that this is *not* a anti-gun bill and therefore the Governor can sign it. Time for more calls.
This crap, and "backroom deals" is what brought us Chapter 180 and its follow-ups in Massachusetts. Stay on it, boys and girls.
 

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IMO , Gov Sununu will not buy this BS.
He wont if voters make it clear that he will pay a dear price at the ballot box......

I'm not laying the blame entirely on Gov Sununu......he has some folks around him in advisory roles that at least APPEAR to be suggesting to him that 696 isnt really a gun confiscation bill when it is

The bill as amended gives police officers the power as per below

Whenever any peace officer has probable cause to believe that a person has been abused, exploited, or neglected, as defined in RSA 161-F:43 and RSA 173-D:2, that officer shall use all means within reason to prevent further abuse, exploitation, or neglect including, but not limited to:

(a) Confiscating any deadly weapons involved in the alleged abuse, exploitation or neglect.
http://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billText.aspx?sy=2019&id=14&txtFormat=html

No warrant
No due process
No process for getting them returned
No storage requirements
No protections whatsoever.

You want your head to explode then look at this........NH is now going to enforce a decision made in another state........

II. Any protective order issued by any other state, tribal, or territorial court related to abuse, exploitation or neglect of a vulnerable adult, including an ex parte order, shall be deemed valid
Doesnt take into consideration what the process was in the other state, doesnt consider whether it complied with rules of evidence or even if the accused had a right to defend themselved/face their accusor.

There's a general lack of protection of anyone being accused of anything and a lack of consideration of the unintended consequences, specifically with regard to an elderly family member suffering from dementia not to mention other family conflicts/issues that frequently surround aging/elderly parents and their adult children....dealing with dementia of elderly parent is difficult enough but now people are going to have to worry about false charge being filed against them?

Gary J. Willis in Md was killed by police serving a red flag order on falsified accusations made by a relative

Maryland Man Shot and Killed by Police While Serving a Gun Violence Restraining Order - The Truth About Guns

696 is badly written and will be similarly abused
 
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