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NH: [3], nope.. now 4 anti-gun bills , we need to call the Senate to stop them, update page 7

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  1. Nick Fury

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  2. jpk

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    Its NOT going to pass here in NH because all of us are going to show up at the hearing and testify in opposition to the bill.

    Further you're all going to reach out to the governor to urge him to veto the bill should the dims be dumb enough to try to pass it in the house and senate........Gov Sununu's office is already recieving letters from our team with red pens (aka designs idea) to veto ALL of these bills should they get to his desk
     
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    Just to clarify my statement because it is really irritating me. Myself and another person took the clipboard back. The "rent a cop" did nothing.
     
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  4. jpk

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    I see on gencourt the bill passed but dont see any reference to an amendment and whats posted reads "as introduced" which I assume is not amended..
     
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    A thought for next time is video to post on YouTube.
     
  6. design

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    All,
    If you want to know what the latest version of a bill is, go to the docket page and look at the amendment (either proposed) or adopted.
    As for HB696, here is the amendment that they are considering and will be voting on the 27th:
    http://gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/billtext.aspx?sy=2019&txtFormat=amend&id=2019-0395H
     
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    PS. after a period of time (Not sure how long) the roll call vote of the committee is also being posted. This is a great win as sometimes people vote one way in committee and then another on the floor:
    See the link below for an example:

    Bill_Status

    We are going to learn who are real liberty reps are in a very quick period of time: http://gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/HouseCommVote/2019/HB120.pdf
     
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    I’ll admit this is hard for me to understand. But here’s the bits I take away.

    1. It seems that a Defendant must file for a hearing to take place 3-5 days after an ERPO issues, and if they don’t file, a hearing must occur 10-30 days after the ERPO issues. So early relief requires action from the Defendant. No government-supplied legal council.
    2. Rules of evidence do not apply - preponderance of evidence as the standard.
    3. Initial order 1yr, another 1yr if renewed and up to 5yr thereafter. How is this not a lifetime ban in places that count any protective order 1yr+ as a permanent disqualification? It seems any punishment that invokes loss of a 2ndA right for life should require all due process.
    4. Seized firearms & ammo storage must be paid by Defendant with no liability for loss or damage.
    5. Defendant loses their dog and probably their truck too - sounds like a Texas divorce.
    6. A search warrant is required for seizure of firearms. Perhaps the one plus as opposed to warrentless search and seizure.
    7. No “Statute of Limitations” as long as plaintiff’s claim of risk exists. If plaintiff moves to the same town as the defendant, the plaintiff can alledge long past events warrent an ERPO. Or events that did not result in legal action in the past can be evoked again. Seems like an ex post facto law punishing the past that was not punishable then.

    Like most Protective Orders, this has no aid for the Defendant. No order or funding for physical or mental health treatment. It’s a limited Taking of Freedoms without compensation and potential cost to pay Defendant’s legal expenses and firearms storage. I can see billboards on the highway with a woman’s teary face “Afraid? Call Attorney Ima Schmuck.”

    How would a school employee (teacher, administrator, etc.) initiate this ERPO? The plaintiff is not the police it seems. Although, if normal evidence rules do not apply, can the police file for an order based on hearsay and act as the plaintiff?
     
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    I sent a Letter to the Editor in today - stay tuned.

    I've had my letters published before and had neighbors mention they saw them. If on gun control, I often get anonymous hate mail - no return address or signature. No threats thus far to turn over to police. Just insults and mockery. It's amazing people go through the trouble...
     
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    These same people drive across state lines to sign multiple names at committee meetings...
     
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  12. design

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    We are still reviewing the amendment as there are other issues.
     
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    FWIW, WE have found additional issues with the bill and there will be an alert about those issues soon. Sign up here for NHFC alerts: http://nhfirearms.org/ Sometimes the redirect takes a bit...

    Also share that link with your friends. The more of us that know what is going on the better the chance of killing these anti-gun bills.


    The next anti-gun bill has a hearing on 3/5
     
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    HB109, requiring background checks for commercial firearms sales: Not all FFLs are dealers. FFL-03 (collectors) would not be exempt, even though the commonly hold tables at gun shows to buy and sell.

    HB514, requiring a waiting period: "a 16-hour hunter safety course offered by the department of fish and game" isn't sufficiently defined. I have a hunting and fishing combo license. NH accepted my 1977 hunter safety card from 8th Grade in Arkansas; would that card suffice for the waiting period? Who knows?

    HB101, allowing school districts to restrict guns: RSA 159:26 (preemption) "shall not apply to any policy regulating the use, possession, or transportation of firearms, firearms components, ammunition, firearms supplies, or knives adopted by any school district, school administrative unit, or chartered public school in this state." Meanwhile, they're applying pressured to make every .gov entity adopt bans.

    HB564, banning all guns from all "safe school zones" is probably the most dangerous. ""Safe school zone" means an area inclusive of any school property or school buses." ""School property" means all real property, physical plant and equipment used for school purposes, including but not limited to school playgrounds and buses, whether public or private. This would allow any public school to ban guns from any park or historical site if a school field trip is taking place there.
     
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    Also redefines "Commercial Sales" such that virtually any sale, even one between private parties, would fit the definition of "Commercial Sale"
     
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    Report from Concord, action needed…
    by NHFC, Inc. on February 17, 2019

    I want to apologize up front for sending you such a long email; but I have a lot to report because this was a busy week at the Statehouse. Please scroll all the way to the bottom, there are three action items!

    I want to thank all of the patriots who came to Concord to fight for our Second Amendment rights this week. We had a terrific turnout and the committees know that we are not going to allow them to take our freedoms without a fight!

    On Wednesday, February 13, the House Education Committee held public hearings on two gun free (criminal safe) schools bills. I am proud that NHFC was well represented by our Corporate Secretary JR Hoell and one of our advisors, former State Representative Dan Itse. I testified on behalf of our national partners, Gun Owners of America.

    What is truly amazing is that the supporters of criminal safe schools really believe that a law and a sign will stop a murderer. One person even said that HB 564 will allow school officials to call the police if they see a gun. They sure will and an otherwise law abiding person will be arrested for a possessory offense. A murderer will probably come in and just start shooting. This is what happened at every tragedy that has taken place in gun free zones.

    Of course, HB 101 is just as bad because it allows local school boards to ban guns instead of the State of New Hampshire. A gun ban is a gun and must be stopped.

    Later in the day on February 13, we testified before the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee in opposition to HB 109, (sell a gun to a friend and go to jail) and HB 514 (wait up to eleven days to bring your new gun and ammunition home).

    Please click here to read our detailed alert on these anti-gun anti freedom bills. Both committees are scheduled to vote on these bills this week. Then, please scroll down for instructions on how to email the committees to express your opposition to these anti-gun bills.....
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    -design
     
  17. jpk

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    Follow the links in Design's post and send requested email on each of the bills folks.....
     
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    The letter on HB514 needs to be reworded to account for the amendment removing ammunition from the bill. As it is, a rep is likely to focus on the ammunition as the "problem" with the bill. And since that has been fixed, the rep may consider the problem resolved.
     
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    That's awesome, Thanks!

    Getting the message out about the out-of-state BS trying to influence NH is so important. The more locals know about it, the stronger the reaction will be.

    FYI most people I've talked to have no idea that these anti-gun bills even exist.

    I've also found it is a WAY more effective to gain support for killing these bills by bringing up the out-of-state influence and Bloomberg, etc. When you talk about the individual bills, non-gun owners don't really care. Mention that Bity City Billionaire Bloomberg is trying to force the peasants of NH what to do, or trying to change NH into northern MA and it gets the bee's nest swarming.

    Example: "Look at all those MA, NY and CT license plates clogging up 93 on the weekends. Those are the folks that are trying to tell you what to do and take away your rights and increase taxes". NH locals are generally pretty unified on that topic, probably more so than individual gun laws.

    Not intending to disrespect those members from those states, just stating what is generally believed here. Similar situation when Northerners move to the South and try to tell locals what to do or how stuff is done where they came from. If you attempt to fit in, people generally like you. Tell them what to do and they despise you.
     
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    Might want to ask the NRA and our new NRA rep why they;ve been asleep at the wheel.....

    Gun Owners of New Hampshire – Official News and Information from the NRA State Affiliate didnt post ANYTHING about the 2/13 bills until the day before......and then they only mentioned 2 of the 4 bills.

    NRA finally woke up 2 days before the hearing (2/11) and similarly posted about 2 of the 4 bills

    NRA-ILA | State Legislation

    Folks should ask Nicole from GONH AND our new NRA rep (Laren L) why/how they are seemingly asleep at the wheel
     
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    Agreed. Exact reason why I dumped the NRA and joined the NHFC.

    Heck at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Bloomberg was contributing heavily to the NRA and using their lobbying pressure against themselves to keep quiet. Something seems way too orchastrated about this because the NRA isn't doing anything about all of the other states going through a similar thing.

    i.e. "I'll donate $10mm if you don't bring attention to these bills". Payments/donation trails can easily be hidden via LLCs, foundations, trusts, etc.
     
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    IMHO its all about the money wrt NRA.....

    If left to their own devices they're like politicians

    Politicians dont solve problems......they orchestrate simmering problems that they can leverage to push citizens to support them over in order to maintain the facade of "fighting for you"

    NRA is no different.....look at their history on a bunch of issues over the years.....they've SUPPORTED gun control.....not just recently on red flag and bump stock shenanigans but they opposed constitutional carry behind the scenes, they supported closing the MG registry they supported the 34 GCA. They supported the 68 GCA. they support a whole raft of measures that do nothing but further cement gun control and ensure a perpetual fight over these issues.

    If the NRA had gotten behind actually DEFEATING gun control and protecting RKBA/2A then we would be a LOT further along in this fight

    Until people demonstrate to the NRA that we as individuals are contributing to other groups because the NRA is asleep at wheel/not acting in our best interests and instead in their OWN best interests ($$$$) nothing will change
     
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    At this point in time the amendment was only handed in by the anti-gun sponsor. The amendment has not been adopted so the bill still includes the waiting period on ammunition.
     
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    Lauren LePage, Esq. NRA-ILA [email protected]

    I spoke with her about this outside the Justice Committee hearings on Wednesday along with one other person. We pointed out that NHFC and GOA were way ahead of NRA-ILA on getting news out about the hearings. I told her NRA has to be more proactive as the largest pro-2A group to get more people to turn out.

    In the hearing her oral testimony only lasted long enough for her to say she had submitted written testimony on HB109 and HB514. I don't recall seeing her at the Education Committee hearings.
     
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    I stand corrected.
    My experience is municipal where a sponsor could amend up until it hit the floor, a "friendly" amendment. Adjusting to both the state level and a new state has been interesting.
     
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    Best thing everyone can do is share these alerts with your firearms friends via email and add a personal note that asks them to contact their rep. If everyone contacts 5 friends we have 5x the number engaged in this fight.
     
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    HB 101 was voted ITL on 2/20 (Bill Title: relative to regulating possession of firearms in a school district.)
    HB 564 was voted OTP with amendment wrt people dropping off/picking up students
    HB 109 is apparently scheduled to be voted on today in exec session
    HB 514 has no updated status on gencourt site
     
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    The association of school boards opposed HB 101, because it left things up to the individual districts, and they didn't want either the political heat or the liability that goes with banning guns district-by-district.

    They wanted the state to do it for them, so HB 564 got an OTP out of committee.
     
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    1 down (HB101) 5 more to stop
     
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    Yeah, that’s a slap in the face. Just like ERPOs, they want “somebody” to do “something” but not be personally responsible for any actions they may take. If making schools “Gun Free Zones” was in any way effective, they should be tripping over each other to credit themselves for banning guns in their district’s schools. That’s a point to emphasize in calls and emails.
     

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