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There actually was a study done after Oklahoma City about using degrading polymer elements in powder that would effectively prevent stockpiling of ammunition, it would basically degrade to "inert" in 3-5 years.You also forget: every new gun comes covered in a special liquid such that when you grab the gun for the first time, it imprints your fingerprint forever. The only way to get rid of it is to grind the frame down. FBI uses it to collect fingerprints of all gun owners.
There is also another program that was developed by the AFT science division: Every federal employee has a badge. The badge has a chip in it such that when you fire a specially designed bullet, it will veer away from the badge owner. These bullets have small steering wings that pop out once the bullet exits the barrel. It's basically impossible to hit a federal employee with a badge. All ammo sold by Federal comes with these special bullets. Why do you think the company is called "Federal".
Oh, and I've also heard that all new primers come with a special chemical compound that reacts with a special high frequency. Only FBI knows the frequency. They have these frequency clickers the size of key chains: when they click the button, the primers in your ammo will not ignite!
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Speer? Good grief. Starline for the win.
That and police buy off the shelf ammo. No Chief wants to buy thousands of rounds every year when they can buy a truckload once every 5 years. Every round I've ever shot on duty was the same bullet you could buy.There actually was a study done after Oklahoma City about using degrading polymer elements in powder that would effectively prevent stockpiling of ammunition, it would basically degrade to "inert" in 3-5 years.
It never went anywhere because it was too unpredictable, with some humidity/temperature conditions ammo was basically duds after 12 months or VERY long if cold-stored.
Cape Verde for the win!
Do they want more Oklahoma Cities?There actually was a study done after Oklahoma City about using degrading polymer elements in powder that would effectively prevent stockpiling of ammunition, it would basically degrade to "inert" in 3-5 years.
That explains the Fall River, the largest Cape Verdian community in the world.Cape Verde for the win!
They did it in Maryland for 15+ years and ended the program years ago and supposedly scrapped all the casings
Are you proposing they're going to pocket that brass while reloading behind cover during a protracted firefight?This^
I bought a Ruger Vaquero .45LC sometime in the mid 2000's, which came with a fired case in an envelope with a sticker containing the gun info with S/N. I added the case to my brass supply.
I thought "what a joke".
Seriously, what criminal is going to use a single action revolver, and then spend the time to unload it and drop the shells on the ground before fleeing the crime scene ???
Not true. Do you buy any new guns?I know most guns come with a he white envelope that has the test fire casing in it.
Maybe the shop keeps them and sells them as reloading componentsSo both the spent bullet AND case were sent to the AFT?
Memory slipping? I thought I was the old f***. Boris 1 gauge ringing any bells?Also, let him know when you shoot someone with a shotgun, the person doesn't fly back 4 feet.
Depends on what the backstop is, if you dig around in the sand berm at any shooting range, you'll find plenty of perfectly intact bullets with rifling marks etc on them. Makes me wonder as a scientific expiriment how much accuracy would suffer if you took like, a .45 FMJ bullet, and reloaded it again. Like take a batch of 50 reloads, fire them all into a spot in the sand, retreive as many as you can and clean and reload the bullets.... and see how much accuracy suffers, etc.
If I had powerball money id have a company that made a sifting machine, so you could take a skid steer and just dump the front of a berm into it, and screen out the bullets and then a club could recycle them somehow. Club gets money from the used bullets and reduces lead leaching or whatever. A win-win. Probably too pricey to be viable though. It'd be like a loam screening machine, but smaller with holes small enough to still capture all but the smallest projectiles. Unless someone modeled it as a sort of a service and would keep a % of the take as a "vig" for the service or whatever, depending on various metrics in terms of how much was excavated, etc. Then theres that whole "keeping the berm from getting too messed up" thing, but im sure theres a way to control that.
No it’s a guy who is a typical MA gun owner. He doesn’t believe me when I told him it’s not a crime if someone sees the bulge of your gun. Under your shirt.Was it a officer that told you this?
I'm thinking the backstop would probably do sufficient damage to the bullet that getting a positive match would be problematic.
None of the guns I have ever purchased came with that.Heard a new one today. I know most guns come with a he white envelope that has the test fire casing in it.
A guy today told me the bullet goes to the FBI to record the rifling. I figure it’s bullshit, but I never really thought about it.
What say the forum?
Memory slipping? I thought I was the old f***. Boris 1 gauge ringing any bells?
They don’t anymore, and it’s been years at this point.No it’s a guy who is a typical MA gun owner. He doesn’t believe me when I told him it’s not a crime if someone sees the bulge of your gun. Under your shirt.
I was curious why my Glocks came with the empty casing and the way .gov wastes money, it wouldn’t have surprise me if he was right.
.... if the bullet were to hit a solid object itd be inadmissable.So every company is digging through backstop fill to find every test bullet from every gun? Seems rather laborious. Also seems like the FBI should know a lot more about unsolved gun crimes than they seem to.
its been a while. I just realized that I put the one I just bought into an older case that had the shot cartridge still in it. My badThey don’t anymore, and it’s been years at this point.
And he didn’t even have to “enhance!”
Shit how did u know
"Reloading"? .45LC, bro. Each pull of the trigger literally cooks 3 victims.Are you proposing they're going to pocket that brass while reloading behind cover during a protracted firefight?I bought a Ruger Vaquero .45LC sometime in the mid 2000's, which came with a fired case in an envelope ... Seriously, what criminal is going to use a single action revolver, and then spend the time to unload it and drop the shells on the ground before fleeing the crime scene ???
That's their story, but they're no longer sticking to it.The thought behind sh*t like this is thst they can analyze the fired casing (not the bullet, the bullet is destroyed). The fire casing has micro marks from the tooling when the gun was manufactured, making it unique. If they ever find a casing at a crime scene and it matches the marks, they know it was gun XYZ.
The boys down in Ballistics hate processing shotgun evidence.Your friend needs to stop watching so many movies.
Also, let him know when you shoot someone with a shotgun, the person doesn't fly back 4 feet.
It's a brush-back pitch from Gaston himself;I was curious why my Glocks came with the empty casing ...