Now that a new US attorney general had been confirmed, does it make any sense for us to bring the MA AGO's behavior to their attention - civil rights are under attack in the Commonwealth - one of our issues is that she's fighting us with our money - getting fed involved would be using our money to fight against her using our money to infringe on our rights
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Maura spanks another dealer for selling Glocks
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That may be the least weasel-worded Globe article NOT written by Jeff Jacoby in years.
amm5061
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Can't believe you linked the glob. Anyways, it's already in the works as mentioned above. It'll take time to bubble up to the SC. By that time we'll have a majority on the court again and hopefully they'll agree to take the case.
kevin9
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Glock haters are gonna hate.
Like many things 2A-related in MA the real problems are the rats and snitches among us, and the lack of options for those who need help when the heavy hand of the state comes down. The first can be addressed by shining the light of information into the dark corners exposing those such as Stoney Acres and New Mart Promotions. From there boycotts and other actions can flow.
For the second, Comm2A has done a great job in taking on the legal/illegal aspects of gun rights, but AFAIK they don't have the mission of providing direct legal support to people and businesses facing immediate legal issues. Yes people can call an individual lawyer, but that gets expensive quickly, and results may be inconsistent with larger goals of fighting the gun-grabbers. Few people want to be a test case on their own nickel, and not every lawyer is wired to take on test cases.
The home-school abduction thread has me wondering how big the market is for an organization like HSLDA for gun owners and gun businesses: Someone a law-abiding business or person facing gun-related legal issues and threats can call, and get prompt, competent advice. A group that will support individuals in fighting this kind of governmental blackmail.
I see ads for something like this on FB, but don't remember the name. Anyone know what I'm talking about? Are they any good? What's their actual business mode? Do they operate in MA?
Like many things 2A-related in MA the real problems are the rats and snitches among us, and the lack of options for those who need help when the heavy hand of the state comes down. The first can be addressed by shining the light of information into the dark corners exposing those such as Stoney Acres and New Mart Promotions. From there boycotts and other actions can flow.
For the second, Comm2A has done a great job in taking on the legal/illegal aspects of gun rights, but AFAIK they don't have the mission of providing direct legal support to people and businesses facing immediate legal issues. Yes people can call an individual lawyer, but that gets expensive quickly, and results may be inconsistent with larger goals of fighting the gun-grabbers. Few people want to be a test case on their own nickel, and not every lawyer is wired to take on test cases.
The home-school abduction thread has me wondering how big the market is for an organization like HSLDA for gun owners and gun businesses: Someone a law-abiding business or person facing gun-related legal issues and threats can call, and get prompt, competent advice. A group that will support individuals in fighting this kind of governmental blackmail.
I see ads for something like this on FB, but don't remember the name. Anyone know what I'm talking about? Are they any good? What's their actual business mode? Do they operate in MA?
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I am aware of the current suits but can't help but wonder if it would further help our cause if her office was being investigated for civil rights violations. I believe they feel they have the upper hand in defending themselves against suits from the little people (privately funded) and can't help but wonder if they would feel more heat if the attorney general was investigating
This.
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I had a discussion with Comm2A about this a few years back. It leads to quite a few issues. One if which is determining who is a "law-abiding" person.
Is the guy who was visiting friends in AZ and bought a collapsible stock for his AR, so both he and his wife could shoot it a law-abiding person? He didn't realize that he just built an "assault weapon".
How about the guy who says "screw this place, I'm putting whatever I want on my AR"?
Responsible gun owner from VT with a pistol in his center console who took a wrong turn in Brattleboro and crossed into Mass?
Gang-banger from NYC who just dropped off a kilo of Heroin in Southbridge and is headed back to NYC with a Glock in his center console?
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Is it confirmed Stoney Acres is an arsehole? Just want to make sure before I condemn someone's business.
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Rockrivr1
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Yeah, unfortunately. Talked to Tony Martinello and his son at the Manchester Gun Show for over a half hour. The son was still pretty enraged about what Stoney Acres had done to them. Seeing they are both in Sutton I'm sure they've had run ins before, but reporting them and making the Martinello's lose their MA license is way over the line.
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So Stoney Acres pitched a fit and took it to the promoter, or did they also get the cops involved? Seems like we're at the point of deciding whether there are 1 or 2 parties to add to the worthless, anti-2A rat list.
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From what the Martinello's told me Stoney Acres reported them to the promoter and demanded that they be removed. The Promoter, using LEs, escorted them from the show. This is how Maura got wind of it.
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All this over Glocks, huh?
Seems like Stoney Acres gets the brunt of the blame for being flaming rat douchebags who can't mind their own business. They deserve to have their business suffer as a result, if the local gun community cares enough to withhold business from them. The promoter, who is from out of state, but does enough business here that they should be aware of the situation in MA, probably just wanted to keep the peace, but if they decided to boot the vendor over this then they get the blame too. Shame on whoever involved the cops - they should have been able to get the guy to pack it up without taking it to this level, but I'm guessing the douchebag from Stoney Acres was making too much of a scene for the cops not to notice at that point.
Oh, and **** the police for having this end up with Maura's office.
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Again, let me get this straight.
A felon can sell a firearm in this state illegally and not have to pay a $10,000 fine.
But because of a bunch of tyrants in office a licensed dealer has to.
All because it was the brand Glock and not some other brand.
Maybe someday the sheep of this world will realise that they have been protecting the wolves.
When that day comes. I say let the wolves feast!
A felon can sell a firearm in this state illegally and not have to pay a $10,000 fine.
But because of a bunch of tyrants in office a licensed dealer has to.
All because it was the brand Glock and not some other brand.
Maybe someday the sheep of this world will realise that they have been protecting the wolves.
When that day comes. I say let the wolves feast!
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A report with evidence to the Inspector General's Office requesting an investigation might do something. Nothing else will work in MA against an out of control AG.
ETA: NOBODY else has any legal authority against a Constitutional Officer (AG) as they are independently voted in and answer to nobody.
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VetteGirlMA
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I second the nomination 
kevin9
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The home-schooling world gets at this by using a paid association model (ex. HSLDA). Parents pay a relatively small annual membership fee and in return get free legal support if they ever need it for home-schooling issues. When joining the association one agrees to act in a lawful manner, and the association has the right to limit/suspend legal support if they determine the member was not acting in good faith: It rarely if ever happens. Occasionally they take on non-member (or pre-existing issues for new members), but they appear to vet these cases very carefully, particularly considering how a case might set precedents that affect members' rights.
The paid association model generally weeds out the criminals looking for free legal support; they're not going to pay annual dues, and they get cheaper legal representation from the public defender office. The paid model, plus membership rules, weeds out the "screw it, I'll do what I want" folks. Such folks generally are too cheap and not "joiners" to be part of an association. Folks who want to abide by the law but are uncertain or unknowing about it and details get helped through a combination of educational newsletters, and the ability to call any time for free advice.
Not a perfect model, but if somehow people could get good, knowledgeable, affordable legal advice and representation, particularly at the start, we might see more people willing to fight the extortion, rather than plead out to the blackmail.
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Thanks for the confidence but I've seen how politics works up close and personal and there is no way in the world that I'd compromise my principles and ethics to work in that arena.
"If nominated I won't run, if elected I won't serve" - Don't remember who said it first but that's my position.
Thanks anyway.
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Home FFL's are illegal in Massachusetts? I thought they were common?
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