Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal 1.1 is ONLINE

[drgrant]

If the thing is broken, which it is, groups such as C2A and GOAL should have already had injunctions slapped against its implementation until it worked for the citizen all the time, every time for every person. 24/7/365 without fail. That's what we had with the paper forms. If the ball got dropped on CHSB's end with paper, that's not our fault. We did our job and have the copy to prove it. Now the burden has shifted away from the CHSB and right onto our shoulders. Maybe some of you are cool with that but I am not. If the facade of our messed up "registration" system has to play out, at least maintain it in such an unreliable form so that prosecutions under it would never make it past a motion hearing. Make it difficult for CHSB, make it expensive and make it THEIR headache.

Our docility stays like this and the next Godwin's meme will be labeled "Massachusetts" in the second photo. "Yeah, I know it's bad to line up so we can register all our magazines but..."

Lol if you think a court in this part of the country would award a pro gun injuction on a fast basis you're smoking some good drugs....

 

[OnTheRoad]

So what's the recourse? Throw in the towel? Continue making CHSB's life easier?

Seriously, there's a lot of tough talk around here that eventually starts sounding like baa, baa,baaaaaa.

 

[TomMalthus]

Who's next?

Long lines for gun shows in 1928?

 

[namedpipes]

I love how the page still makes suggestions for people to do things NOT REQUIRED BY LAW.... ever. ...

Inheritance
Initiate Transaction » Add Decedent/Beneficiary » Add Weapon » Verify Transaction » Confirmation
Enter the requested information in the form below. Please note that "*" denotes a required field. Use the "Help" function located in the top right-hand corner for assistance.
Decedent Information
FID/LTC License No.:*
Last Name:*
Date of Birth:*
Beneficiary Information
FID/LTC License No.:
PIN:

Interestingly, this flies in opposition to the advice given by Scrivner.

He consistently advised sending in FA-10 filled out with no source, just your info as the receiver.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Interestingly, this flies in opposition to the advice given by Scrivner.

He consistently advised sending in FA-10 filled out with no source, just your info as the receiver.

I give the same advice. AFAIK there is no legal basis for requiring that info. Additionally (from personal experience) when a family member dies you don't always find all the legal documentation/IDs/etc. Plus if someone dies from a miserable disease like cancer, they may well have let their LTC lapse, as that wasn't a priority when you are fighting for your life or given x months to live. Note that the "*" means mandatory info, the system won't let you proceed without it. IIRC, the last time I looked (Rev. 1.0) it also wanted date of death, another irrelevant piece of info not required by law.

Here's another scenario . . . Both Fed Law and MGL allow you to inherit guns from a deceased who was NOT a MA resident. So what is that person's MA LTC # again???

 

[Bfatz]

 

[Terminator03]

I give the same advice. AFAIK there is no legal basis for requiring that info. Additionally (from personal experience) when a family member dies you don't always find all the legal documentation/IDs/etc. Plus if someone dies from a miserable disease like cancer, they may well have let their LTC lapse, as that wasn't a priority when you are fighting for your life or given x months to live. Note that the "*" means mandatory info, the system won't let you proceed without it. IIRC, the last time I looked (Rev. 1.0) it also wanted date of death, another irrelevant piece of info not required by law.

Here's another scenario . . . Both Fed Law and MGL allow you to inherit guns from a deceased who was NOT a MA resident. So what is that person's MA LTC # again???

Hmm... looks like they created a no-win situation by adding those "required fields". I guess they don't really want full compliance because a lot of guys would just say "screw it" and not bother completing the registration if they didn't have the required info.

 

[Len-2A Training]

Hmm... looks like they created a no-win situation by adding those "required fields". I guess they don't really want full compliance because a lot of guys would just say "screw it" and not bother completing the registration if they didn't have the required info.

More like CAN NOT complete that form.

I tell people just to use "registration" and ignore the screen that asks the source of the gun. Gets the job done legally and is the same as using the old paper forms that didn't have an "inheritance" option.

 

[Periphery]

I think this is a BS quote.

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.co...on-gun-registration-conquest-and-disarmament/

 

[drgrant]

I give the same advice. AFAIK there is no legal basis for requiring that info. Additionally (from personal experience) when a family member dies you don't always find all the legal documentation/IDs/etc. Plus if someone dies from a miserable disease like cancer, they may well have let their LTC lapse, as that wasn't a priority when you are fighting for your life or given x months to live. Note that the "*" means mandatory info, the system won't let you proceed without it. IIRC, the last time I looked (Rev. 1.0) it also wanted date of death, another irrelevant piece of info not required by law.

Here's another scenario . . . Both Fed Law and MGL allow you to inherit guns from a deceased who was NOT a MA resident. So what is that person's MA LTC # again???

The obvious solution is people should just push the registration button instead. This is an obvious attempt at the state for harvesting information that they're not entitled to by law.

-Mike

 

[josh2600]

Looks like French uniforms not German.

The idea is the same however.

Vichy France confiscated firearms. The sentence for possession was up to execution.


edit: duh, somehow I missed the friggin' caption where it said Germany, lol.

 

[Len-2A Training]

The obvious solution is people should just push the registration button instead. This is an obvious attempt at the state for harvesting information that they're not entitled to by law.

-Mike

Exactly. Gov't is intentionally "farming" information for mis-use later.

I was involved in an situation where a LO was looking up to see if a dead person (who was in his 80s when he died) had a valid FID or LTC when he died . . . 4 years earlier!!! What was he going to do, exhume the body and prosecute him for possession without a license? In this case what we were trying to do was turn the guns into the PD for destruction (they were rusted and the current heir lived in NYC where guns were a no-go anyway).

 

[Whiskeyjim]

Not sure if this has been asked and answered, if so I missed it.
I know this portal is part of the changes to 128A for FTF sales, which required the seller to use a form "provided by" FRB, which was the FA10 and became the EFA10 and now the "portal".
Was 128B also changed (aquisition/build reported by the acquirer) or is that still the same as before, where it specifies notification simply "in writing" within 7 days of bringing into MA, but with no mention that this needs to be a form "provided by" the FRB?
Where in the current law is a particular form or portal required if reporting an out of state long gun aquisition, build, or CMP purchase?
These are not in state transfers and not subject to 128A.

 

[JGreen]

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[namedpipes]

Not sure if this has been asked and answered, if so I missed it.
I know this portal is part of the changes to 128A for FTF sales, which required the seller to use a form "provided by" FRB, which was the FA10 and became the EFA10 and now the "portal".
Was 128B also changed (aquisition/build reported by the acquirer) or is that still the same as before, where it specifies notification simply "in writing" within 7 days of bringing into MA, but with no mention that this needs to be a form "provided by" the FRB?
Where in the current law is a particular form or portal required if reporting an out of state long gun aquisition, build, or CMP purchase?
These are not in state transfers and not subject to 128A.

Because, although governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, it sometimes comes to pass that they become destructive of these ends.

 

[David Balkus]

When was The Firearm Owners Protection Act overturned ? The part that forbids Registration...

 

[Len-2A Training]

When was The Firearm Owners Protection Act overturned ? The part that forbids Registration...

Read it again. That is FEDERAL registration. Has NO impact on what states do or don't do.

 

[David Balkus]

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[enbloc]

So, what happens if I send in a Serialized FA-10. Prosecution? Loss of Lic.?

Have I broken any laws?

 

[vietboy1st]

OK i checked my status on there. it didn't say any restriction like my license because i heard in 2015 they changed their license status. Does it means i can carry conceal?
IT said license type: Resident Class A Large Capacity license to carry firearms.
It doesn't show restriction and stuff?

 

[enbloc]

Alright something is queer.
I just went back to the Port-hole and the red line at the bottom that said something to the effect
* We will no longer accept paper transactions, something, something...
has been removed, within like 10 minutes.

That's service!

 

[Len-2A Training]

Alright something is queer.
I just went back to the Port-hole and the red line at the bottom that said something to the effect
* We will no longer accept paper transactions, something, something...
has been removed, within like 10 minutes.

That's service!

Maybe that was Michaela's reaction to the case I laid out in my Email to her a week ago??

No idea, she did say that she'd get back to me (and she will) but I haven't heard any responses yet. I'm sure that she's busy tuning everything up.

We can hope!

 

[enbloc]

Len, it was there when I posted @ 2:15 (post # 49)
and now, POOF!

 

[Len-2A Training]

Len, it was there when I posted @ 2:15 (post # 49)
and now, POOF!

Most interesting.

 

[user151]

Absolutely! It's not about acceptance of registration EVER, but if we choose to abide by the law, then having a system that works is an improvement since most people we (as non criminals) will ever deal with will want to do transactions by the book anyway so it's either this way, or pay for transfer at a shop.

In 1937 and 1938, German authorities again stepped up legislative persecution of German Jews. The government set out to impoverish Jews and remove them from the German economy by requiring them to register their property.

I'm sure the Jews were concerned that the registration laws worked properly, and that they wanted to comply by the book....

Any citizen that believes in our Bill of Rights should consider having a few unregistered firearms available. Do we choose to abide by the law, or by the Constitution? Criminals are not born, they are made -- by our laws.

 

[dgrafton]

So, what happens if I send in a Serialized FA-10. Prosecution? Loss of Lic.?

Have I broken any laws?

I mailed one in on March 16 on the way to work, then saw this thread and another. Nothing in the mail yet and no surprise visitors here yet.

 

[HuntMaine]

I tried to use it but I couldn't find the option for GunShowLoophole. Did you guys find it?

 

[OfficerObie59]

If the thing is broken, which it is, groups such as C2A and GOAL should have already had injunctions slapped against its implementation until it worked for the citizen all the time, every time for every person. 24/7/365 without fail. That's what we had with the paper forms.

Great, another legal scholar who wants to tell everyone what GOAL and Comm2A should have done. Because if the strategy had any chance in hell of working, they still wouldn't have done it.

GMAFB

 

[Kevlar]

I will,But I swear I thought sect.3 Forbids the States.

>snip<

No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established.

>snip<

The MA reporting system is exempt due to being codified prior to FOPA.

 

[drgrant]

If the thing is broken, which it is, groups such as C2A and GOAL should have already had injunctions slapped against its implementation until it worked for the citizen all the time, every time for every person.

I want unicorns and free ice cream at my birthday party, too!!!!! "Injuction related to gun minutae" in MA... not sure if serious. Either group is smart enough to know that is a complete waste of money/resources in this arena.

This whole thing is much ado about nothing because when's the last time you've seen an S128A/B prosecution? Those are even rarer than the AWB BS. Is the 7 day provision still in the law? If it is, then there's no legal liability for a late filing that doesn't happen in the moment of the transfer. I'm no fan of the law but that's a pretty big out. Hell S128A/B is a pretty big out by itself, considering that anyone that reads it for longer than about 5 minutes runs the risk of getting an aneurysm trying to interpret it properly.

-Mike