MA Gun Grab 2024: Senate bill S.2572

I got my weekly email from 4 seasons today. They are still pushing Sig spear LTs for $2900. These have been neutered to be MA compliant. That will all be illegal if this passes as-is.
 
The part that scares me is that even if anyone sues, SCOTUS will not take the case, even after lower courts decide that this garbage is "lawful
. SCOTUS only takes cases when there is a split between lower courts. AWB cases in CA and MA will go through machinations, and ultimately, both will find that AWBs do not violate 2A. In other words, two districts will concur, giving SCOTUS no reason to take up these cases.
2A-friendly districts do not have any AWBs, so no lawsuits can be filed, and no differing opinions will trigger SCOTUS granting certiorari.
Of course, SCOTUS can take a case without the split, but it is on the SCOTUS justices to be in the mood, whereas a split triggers automatic certiorari. I don't have a lot of faith in the current SCOTUS taking a case without a split. They've already delivered a historical decision, so there is no need to put an effort in: they're in history books already! Only after the makeup of the SCOTUS changes will there be a push to make a name for itself.

This is what I'm basing my thoughts on:
 
wildwest said:
So quick scan, yep still don't see a single thing that is going to deter criminals from robbing and murdering people.
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copy/paste, ad nauseum:

What these people fail to realize is, laws were never intended to control people, behavior or crime! Laws were intended to give the Judicial system a means to punish people who violate the Rights and Freedoms of others! No law will ever prevent a crime or stop a criminal.

When they start trying to write laws that control people or prevent crimes the only thing they accomplish is violating the Rights and Freedoms of the law abiding, the very people that would have never committed the crime in the first place!

If laws prevented crime, the one banning assault is all we'd ever need.
 
How does this affect stripped AR-15 lower receivers?

Can I keep my stripped lowers stripped and stay legal?
 
CrackPot said:
I have made one pass through the new bill


Two things I will highlight with details below:

  1. It makes all existing government administrative buildings and courts/judicial builds off limits to guns
  2. It removes state preemption that stops local government (municipal, county) from passing their own restrictions on guns
The removal of preemption is in some ways the worst thing possible as you no longer know what the laws are as you pass town to town.

From a practical perspective all ARs are banned.

Frames and receivers are no longer different than the completed gun they represent. This effectively makes the roster for handguns fully enforceable.



Some details:



The bill modifies existing MGL as opposed to completely rewriting Chapter 140



Sec 121

New definition of assault weapon. Long form and not a reference to old federal law. Essentially codifies Healey type language resulting in a complete ban of ARs. Compliance work is no longer a “thing” as how it is originally manufactured or assembled is its permanent condition. That bans everything else.

Firearm now includes the receiver or frame of such firearm

Defines FFL. Defines Frame.

Defines machine gun to include parts designed to convert a gun into a machine gun. So broader than federal language and would include for example the full auto trigger pack of a MP5 or the trigger parts of a M16.

Defines manufacture to be what you think but not include reassembly or essentially gunsmithing.

Expands ERPO. Bend over. LOTS of language changes in later sections too.

Essentially bans force reset and binary triggers with new “Rapid-fire trigger activator”

Defines Receiver

Rifle now includes the receiver of such rifle

Shotgun now includes the receiver of such shotgun

Defines “unfinished frame or receiver”. Think 80%


New sec 121B guns must have serial numbers. FFL 07s exempt from this. Pre 1968 guns exempt. Some other exemptions. This is the GHOST GUNS BAD section


New sec 121C makes 3d printing or milling of firearms by anyone not a 07 FFL a crime. Making guns in MA would now be illegal except by FFLs

Selling machine to make guns illegal unless to a FFL

Any person with a FID or LTC who manufactures or assembles a firearm must notify state within 10 days. So closes the existing “purchase or obtain” loophole addressing manufacture or assemble.

You can never sell a gun you make yourself


New sec 121D bans “digital firearm manufacturing code”. This already lost in federal court so an interesting one to add. No code for making guns unless you are a FFL


Sec 123

Inspections are still done by local police unless they cannot and they then notify state police who will conduct inspection


New Sec 128D this is pure evil. This is language to get around federal law protecting gun manufacturers and resellers from lawsuits for products used as designed. It is broad and lacks clarity such that everyone can be sued if they said the word “gun”


Sec 129D and 131 broaden background requirements for getting a FID or LTC to include a lot more mental checks, health privacy invasion etc.


Sec 131N more broadly bans covert weapons


Chap 269 sec 10 now bans guns from all state, county or municipal administrative buildings and all courts or court administrative buildings. So you cannot carry into town hall anymore, for example.


Removes state preemption for governments below the state level to further ban guns from any area under their control. So think buildings, parks, etc. THIS IS TOTAL EVIL ALSO. We now have laws different town to town


Chap 269 10H defines carrying while under the influence to be the same .08 as DUI
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Thank you!
 
I am really worried about towns doing whatever they want.

Westford has tried this junk before. They will try again.

Lawrence, Boston, Framingham, Springfield, Brockton, Milton, Newton, Cambridge, Brookline... you know these will jump on it and come up with some of the most retarded laws.

You will literally drive to the grocery store and be LEGAL > ILLEGAL > LEGAL > ILLEGAL ...

Don't want a gun range in town (Hopkinton) ... it is now illegal to have guns within a mile of the property. Or make it illegal to drive with guns or own guns in town. Something retarded like that.
 
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Reptile said:
You might have to get a doctors note.
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Looks like it’s not an out right prohibitor, but it can be used to determine “suitability”. If someone gets sectioned, the PD is sent the pink slip and they track the person down to bring them in for an eval. This proposal is pretty much moot, because the PDs have access to this info anyhow.
 
This is going to be interesting...

To all those NES'ers who EFA10'd their AR-15's...

The government knows what you own.

You will soon be a felon.

You should have dug your holes when the ground was soft.

They are coming to get you!!!

You best turn them in to me at no charge.

If not there will be some folks with nothing to lose.

And, they will lose it!

I'm going to take my AR-15 lower to my ski chalet in NH and hide it there!

The government aint got nothing on me!
 
Reptile said:
This is going to be interesting...

To all those NES'ers who EFA10'd their AR-15's...

The government knows what you own.

You will soon be a felon.

You should have dug your holes when the ground was soft.

They are coming to get you!!!

You best turn them in to me at no charge.

If not there will be some folks with nothing to lose.

And, they will lose it!

I'm going to take my AR-15 lower to my ski chalet in NH and hide it there!

The government aint got nothing on me!
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lol.

Hi. I’m mura. I have all your public posts.

Say bye to your lingerie model girlfriend.
 

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