MA Gun Grab 2024: Senate bill S.2572

[Picton]

note: this isn't forgiving the mess, but it is lessening our need to run around like Chicken Little.

You're overestimating us.

 

[DJBrad]

I am just an ape. Can I have a summary?

Apes disregard laws. You know what to do.

“Grunts in Matumbo”

 

[p..]

You should read it ... If you buy it with the intent of manufacturing a gun or the seller sells it with that intention.

They are basically going after the ghost gunner.

I read the whole thing. The wording in that section seems overly broad to me. I was not aware there was a specific machine they were attempting to ban.

This is the part where I read it as kind of any CNC mill.

322 foreseeably promotes the printer or machine’s use in manufacturing or assembling such
323 weapons, regardless of whether the printer or machine is otherwise described or classified as
324 having other functions or as a general-purpose printer or machine.

Also, the banning information part is interesting. If someone in Nebraska posts CNC or 3D print files for a receiver and someone in MA downloads them, the person in Nebraska seems to be in hot water.

365 (b) A person, firm or corporation shall not, by any means, including the internet,
366 knowingly distribute, or knowingly cause the distribution of, digital firearm manufacturing code
367 to any person in the commonwealth who does not have a valid license to manufacture firearms.

 

[Broc]

I read the whole thing. The wording in that section seems overly broad to me. I was not aware there was a specific machine they were attempting to ban.

This is the part where I read it as kind of any CNC mill.



Also, the banning information part is interesting. If someone in Nebraska posts CNC or 3D print files for a receiver and someone in MA downloads them, the person in Nebraska seems to be in hot water.

It reads pretty clear to me.

They can't stop some dude from posting information online. That is the State being retarded and patting themselves on the back telling themselves they are doing a good job.

I am more concerned about other parts that could turn a huge amount of people into felons. Like what they were trying to do around condos, having to let the association know.

Or them re-defining what a firearm is.
Or them requesring a background check for ammo purchase.
...

Not that the CNC part doesn't s*ck, but it doesn't affect most people, even the ones that use them to build 80% lowers.

 

[VTski4x4]

I am never going to financially recover from this.

 

[Picton]

Also, the banning information part is interesting. If someone in Nebraska posts CNC or 3D print files for a receiver and someone in MA downloads them, the person in Nebraska seems to be in hot water.

Lol. Not even slightly.

The day MA sends LEOs to Nebraska to enforce MA laws against a Nebraskan who never stepped foot in the Commonwealth is the day that even liberals on SCOTUS will laugh at MA.

 

[Waher]

Will there be a public hearing?

Needs to be hours of testimony from attorneys telling that Legislature how they will enjoy bankrupting the Commonwealth and potentially the legislators personally if they go through with passing this shit so stupid that it's a guaranteed pay day for them.

We can be cell mates? @Broc and @Mesatchornug can be the next cell over.

You really think a prison can hold, let alone the authorities have the means to capture such beasts? #NESSTUDS

 

[p..]

Lol. Not even slightly.

The day MA sends LEOs to Nebraska to enforce MA laws against a Nebraskan who never stepped foot in the Commonwealth is the day that even liberals on SCOTUS will laugh at MA.

I don't think that's how it would go. The source could be attached to a person simply through a website owner check, or the IP of say a forum user, then a warrant issued. Nobody has to travel anywhere.

Next time that person gets stopped for rolling past a stop sign and the officer runs his info, it comes up as an extraditable or non-extraditable warrant for some monetary amount. I don't read that section as having an end goal of bringing people to justice so much as a way to restrict information.

 

[EJFudd]

I am never going to financially recover from this.

Maybe I will (recover someday) if I can find a new hobby for which the state doesn't want to bankrupt me and then throw me in prison.

 

[Mesatchornug]

I don't think that's how it would go. The source could be attached to a person simply through a website owner check, or the IP of say a forum user, then a warrant issued. Nobody has to travel anywhere.

Next time that person gets stopped for rolling past a stop sign and the officer runs his info, it comes up as an extraditable or non-extraditable warrant for some monetary amount. I don't read that section as having an end goal of bringing people to justice so much as a way to restrict information.

Nebraska LE: We are disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

This is the part where I read it as kind of any CNC mill.

Except it doesn't. Read that section again. It's banned only in the situation where it's advertised as being for the purpose of manufacturing firearms.

With the exception of the GG, please point us to a 3D printer or CNC Mill whose producers advertise them for this purpose.

 

[Picton]

I don't think that's how it would go. The source could be attached to a person simply through a website owner check, or the IP of say a forum user, then a warrant issued. Nobody has to travel anywhere.

Next time that person gets stopped for rolling past a stop sign and the officer runs his info, it comes up as an extraditable or non-extraditable warrant for some monetary amount. I don't read that section as having an end goal of bringing people to justice so much as a way to restrict information.

Okay.

Nobody who posts firearms data for public consumption on the internet is going to give a hoot in hell about that kind of crap. Especially when they know the local LEOs will laugh about it, too.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Okay.

Nobody who posts firearms data for public consumption on the internet is going to give a hoot in hell about that kind of crap. Especially when they know the local LEOs will laugh about it, too.

AND it's already gone all the way to SCOTUS for both encryption (Bernsetein) and design files (Defense Distributed). 1A won both times.

Code == speech

[reason for edit - improving clarity]

 

[bigbravehog]

Maybe I will (recover someday) if I can find a new hobby for which the state doesn't want to bankrupt me and then throw me in prison.

I'll have to get a Mossberg MVP so I don't waste the thousands of 5.56 I own

 

[VTski4x4]

Maybe I will (recover someday) if I can find a new hobby for which the state doesn't want to bankrupt me and then throw me in prison.

Fentanyl is cheap, fun, and the State seems to love it. Just spit balling here.

 

[EJFudd]

Fentanyl is cheap, fun, and the State seems to love it. Just spit balling here.

The good wife keeps pushing bird watching on me. Dirt cheap since she already bought me the binoculars and the book.

 

[Palladin]

Just think, 35 miles north of Boston, no one gives a shit what you own

 

[Shark_Cage]

Now where can I see these files so I’ll know what not to look at?

 

[EJFudd]

This part doesn't seem terrible:

That goes back to that special request from Andrea to give out more gun licenses to the boyz n da hood. How that's going to happen with almost all of them having long rap sheets is anyone's guess.

 

[p..]

AND it's already gone all the way to SCOTUS for both encryption and design files for Distributed Defense. 1A won both times.

Code == speech

It seems like the state vs federal fight is getting heated. CA is disobeying Bruen in spirit. Texas vs Border Patrol is boiling over. Although in fairness I would be surprised if anyone in the MA Senate is thoroughly familiar with Defense Distributed specifically. I suspect it is more of a broad fear of information sharing in general, and of persons not necessarily skilled in manufacturing but with working credit cards being able to easily manufacture untraceable guns.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Now where can I see these files so I’ll know what not to look at?

definitely don't go to DEFCAD

 

[Reptile]

What does this bill say about ARs and AR lowers?

What about Glocks?

Maybe I will (recover someday) if I can find a new hobby for which the state doesn't want to bankrupt me and then throw me in prison.

Scooters FTW.

Until we get run over by an illegal.

The good wife keeps pushing bird watching on me. Dirt cheap since she already bought me the binoculars and the book.

20 more years and I’ll be into it.

I see all the local birders on the bike path and I wish I was with them.

Plus, I’ll spend a grand on nice glass.

 

[Spartan65]

definitely don't go to DEFCAD

Defcad takes your info and shares it with the feds.

Better to go to Odysee
View: https://odysee.com/@3DPrint:167db7973bd489807bafec53f5ec283c637a5328

 

[Mesatchornug]

It seems like the state vs federal fight is getting heated. CA is disobeying Bruen in spirit. Texas vs Border Patrol is boiling over. Although in fairness I would be surprised if anyone in the MA Senate is thoroughly familiar with Defense Distributed specifically.

I'm sure they're not, though I made sure to remind them about it in my (less eloquent) 3 minutes last year.

I suspect it is more of a broad fear of information sharing in general

Of course. That's also literally the purpose of 1A. The more we abstract it like you have, the more clear it becomes. Content-based restriction is prohibited with a couple small (and shrinking) exceptions.

, and of persons not necessarily skilled in manufacturing but with working credit cards being able to easily manufacture untraceable guns.

 

[CrackPot]

I have made one pass through the new bill


Two things I will highlight with details below:

1. It makes all existing government administrative buildings and courts/judicial builds off limits to guns
2. It removes state preemption that stops local government (municipal, county) from passing their own restrictions on guns

The removal of preemption is in some ways the worst thing possible as you no longer know what the laws are as you pass town to town.

From a practical perspective all ARs are banned.

Frames and receivers are no longer different than the completed gun they represent. This effectively makes the roster for handguns fully enforceable.



Some details:



The bill modifies existing MGL as opposed to completely rewriting Chapter 140



Sec 121

New definition of assault weapon. Long form and not a reference to old federal law. Essentially codifies Healey type language resulting in a complete ban of ARs. Compliance work is no longer a “thing” as how it is originally manufactured or assembled is its permanent condition. That bans everything else.

Firearm now includes the receiver or frame of such firearm

Defines FFL. Defines Frame.

Defines machine gun to include parts designed to convert a gun into a machine gun. So broader than federal language and would include for example the full auto trigger pack of a MP5 or the trigger parts of a M16.

Defines manufacture to be what you think but not include reassembly or essentially gunsmithing.

Expands ERPO. Bend over. LOTS of language changes in later sections too.

Essentially bans force reset and binary triggers with new “Rapid-fire trigger activator”

Defines Receiver

Rifle now includes the receiver of such rifle

Shotgun now includes the receiver of such shotgun

Defines “unfinished frame or receiver”. Think 80%


New sec 121B guns must have serial numbers. FFL 07s exempt from this. Pre 1968 guns exempt. Some other exemptions. This is the GHOST GUNS BAD section


New sec 121C makes 3d printing or milling of firearms by anyone not a 07 FFL a crime. Making guns in MA would now be illegal except by FFLs

Selling machine to make guns illegal unless to a FFL

Any person with a FID or LTC who manufactures or assembles a firearm must notify state within 10 days. So closes the existing “purchase or obtain” loophole addressing manufacture or assemble.

You can never sell a gun you make yourself


New sec 121D bans “digital firearm manufacturing code”. This already lost in federal court so an interesting one to add. No code for making guns unless you are a FFL


Sec 123

Inspections are still done by local police unless they cannot and they then notify state police who will conduct inspection


New Sec 128D this is pure evil. This is language to get around federal law protecting gun manufacturers and resellers from lawsuits for products used as designed. It is broad and lacks clarity such that everyone can be sued if they said the word “gun”


Sec 129D and 131 broaden background requirements for getting a FID or LTC to include a lot more mental checks, health privacy invasion etc.


Sec 131N more broadly bans covert weapons


Chap 269 sec 10 now bans guns from all state, county or municipal administrative buildings and all courts or court administrative buildings. So you cannot carry into town hall anymore, for example.


Removes state preemption for governments below the state level to further ban guns from any area under their control. So think buildings, parks, etc. THIS IS TOTAL EVIL ALSO. We now have laws different town to town


Chap 269 10H defines carrying while under the influence to be the same .08 as DUI

 

[Spartan65]

What does this bill say about ARs and AR lowers?

What about Glocks?



Scooters FTW.

Until we get run over by an illegal.




20 more years and I’ll be into it.

I see all the local birders on the bike path and I wish I was with them.

Plus, I’ll spend a grand on nice glass.

Send your lowers to me or..

 

[Mesatchornug]

Defcad takes your info and shares it with the feds.

Better to go to Odysee
View: https://odysee.com/@3DPrint:167db7973bd489807bafec53f5ec283c637a5328

Hadn't heard that. Thanks for the info!

 

[chris_1001]

I have made one pass through the new bill


Two things I will highlight with details below:

1. It makes all existing government administrative buildings and courts/judicial builds off limits to guns
2. It removes state preemption that stops local government (municipal, county) from passing their own restrictions on guns

The removal of preemption is in some ways the worst thing possible as you no longer know what the laws are as you pass town to town.

From a practical perspective all ARs are banned.

Frames and receivers are no longer different than the completed gun they represent. This effectively makes the roster for handguns fully enforceable.



Some details:



The bill modifies existing MGL as opposed to completely rewriting Chapter 140



Sec 121

New definition of assault weapon. Long form and not a reference to old federal law. Essentially codifies Healey type language resulting in a complete ban of ARs. Compliance work is no longer a “thing” as how it is originally manufactured or assembled is its permanent condition. That bans everything else.

Firearm now includes the receiver or frame of such firearm

Defines FFL. Defines Frame.

Defines machine gun to include parts designed to convert a gun into a machine gun. So broader than federal language and would include for example the full auto trigger pack of a MP5 or the trigger parts of a M16.

Defines manufacture to be what you think but not include reassembly or essentially gunsmithing.

Expands ERPO. Bend over. LOTS of language changes in later sections too.

Essentially bans force reset and binary triggers with new “Rapid-fire trigger activator”

Defines Receiver

Rifle now includes the receiver of such rifle

Shotgun now includes the receiver of such shotgun

Defines “unfinished frame or receiver”. Think 80%


New sec 121B guns must have serial numbers. FFL 07s exempt from this. Pre 1968 guns exempt. Some other exemptions. This is the GHOST GUNS BAD section


New sec 121C makes 3d printing or milling of firearms by anyone not a 07 FFL a crime. Making guns in MA would now be illegal except by FFLs

Selling machine to make guns illegal unless to a FFL

Any person with a FID or LTC who manufactures or assembles a firearm must notify state within 10 days. So closes the existing “purchase or obtain” loophole addressing manufacture or assemble.

You can never sell a gun you make yourself


New sec 121D bans “digital firearm manufacturing code”. This already lost in federal court so an interesting one to add. No code for making guns unless you are a FFL


Sec 123

Inspections are still done by local police unless they cannot and they then notify state police who will conduct inspection


New Sec 128D this is pure evil. This is language to get around federal law protecting gun manufacturers and resellers from lawsuits for products used as designed. It is broad and lacks clarity such that everyone can be sued if they said the word “gun”


Sec 129D and 131 broaden background requirements for getting a FID or LTC to include a lot more mental checks, health privacy invasion etc.


Sec 131N more broadly bans covert weapons


Chap 269 sec 10 now bans guns from all state, county or municipal administrative buildings and all courts or court administrative buildings. So you cannot carry into town hall anymore, for example.


Removes state preemption for governments below the state level to further ban guns from any area under their control. So think buildings, parks, etc. THIS IS TOTAL EVIL ALSO. We now have laws different town to town


Chap 269 10H defines carrying while under the influence to be the same .08 as DUI

Pepper your/my anus time?

 

[CrackPot]

I need to read this some more, but I do NOT see new grandfathering. So all the guns you have now that are AWB compliant would suddenly be felonies upon implementation of this bill. I will look again, but the places it should be are not referenced. No change to chap 140 sec 131M which is where it would be expected.

I have made one pass through the new bill


Two things I will highlight with details below:

1. It makes all existing government administrative buildings and courts/judicial builds off limits to guns
2. It removes state preemption that stops local government (municipal, county) from passing their own restrictions on guns

The removal of preemption is in some ways the worst thing possible as you no longer know what the laws are as you pass town to town.

From a practical perspective all ARs are banned.

Frames and receivers are no longer different than the completed gun they represent. This effectively makes the roster for handguns fully enforceable.



Some details:



The bill modifies existing MGL as opposed to completely rewriting Chapter 140



Sec 121

New definition of assault weapon. Long form and not a reference to old federal law. Essentially codifies Healey type language resulting in a complete ban of ARs. Compliance work is no longer a “thing” as how it is originally manufactured or assembled is its permanent condition. That bans everything else.

Firearm now includes the receiver or frame of such firearm

Defines FFL. Defines Frame.

Defines machine gun to include parts designed to convert a gun into a machine gun. So broader than federal language and would include for example the full auto trigger pack of a MP5 or the trigger parts of a M16.

Defines manufacture to be what you think but not include reassembly or essentially gunsmithing.

Expands ERPO. Bend over. LOTS of language changes in later sections too.

Essentially bans force reset and binary triggers with new “Rapid-fire trigger activator”

Defines Receiver

Rifle now includes the receiver of such rifle

Shotgun now includes the receiver of such shotgun

Defines “unfinished frame or receiver”. Think 80%


New sec 121B guns must have serial numbers. FFL 07s exempt from this. Pre 1968 guns exempt. Some other exemptions. This is the GHOST GUNS BAD section


New sec 121C makes 3d printing or milling of firearms by anyone not a 07 FFL a crime. Making guns in MA would now be illegal except by FFLs

Selling machine to make guns illegal unless to a FFL

Any person with a FID or LTC who manufactures or assembles a firearm must notify state within 10 days. So closes the existing “purchase or obtain” loophole addressing manufacture or assemble.

You can never sell a gun you make yourself


New sec 121D bans “digital firearm manufacturing code”. This already lost in federal court so an interesting one to add. No code for making guns unless you are a FFL


Sec 123

Inspections are still done by local police unless they cannot and they then notify state police who will conduct inspection


New Sec 128D this is pure evil. This is language to get around federal law protecting gun manufacturers and resellers from lawsuits for products used as designed. It is broad and lacks clarity such that everyone can be sued if they said the word “gun”


Sec 129D and 131 broaden background requirements for getting a FID or LTC to include a lot more mental checks, health privacy invasion etc.


Sec 131N more broadly bans covert weapons


Chap 269 sec 10 now bans guns from all state, county or municipal administrative buildings and all courts or court administrative buildings. So you cannot carry into town hall anymore, for example.


Removes state preemption for governments below the state level to further ban guns from any area under their control. So think buildings, parks, etc. THIS IS TOTAL EVIL ALSO. We now have laws different town to town


Chap 269 10H defines carrying while under the influence to be the same .08 as DUI

 

[Picton]

I need to read this some more, but I do NOT see new grandfathering. So all the guns you have now that are AWB compliant would suddenly be felonies upon implementation of this bill.

Lol. That'll be rich once it gets to court.

Meaning, the state will never bother trying to enforce it.

 

[sig shooter]

Sec 129D and 131 broaden background requirements for getting a FID or LTC to include a lot more mental checks, health privacy invasion etc.

It you’ve been subject to an involuntary three day hold(Sec 12), it is now a prohibitor.