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Looks like Troy Industries might have stepped in it.
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Some guy named Steve Troy donated to one of the MAIG mayors (the scumbag mayor of Springfield) and everyone got half way out the door again with the torches and pitchforks before they realized it was a different guy.
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Supposedly on arfcom.
no idea. that mag is a special retard flipper baby. it's got a green follower, but i've never disassembled it.
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Oh ok. I am not a member over there, so maybe someone will post what they say.
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Subsititute Steve Troy for Harold Flemlaski or Ernie Velveeta. Chuckle.
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Just used for plinking by the unwashed masses. So to speak. Possibly dropped, but no more than the GI mags or Pmags we've used have been. I recall the Troy mags failing under a week or two... could have been a fluke batch. I did like the built in buffer/pulls.
Better or worse than GI mags is hard to say. Functionally I'd say probably better, durability wise probably worse. Again, it was a very small sample size (three mags) and it could have been a fluke.
My general impression is that if you're going to step into the market and do something someone else is doing really well, you need to do so either in a drastically cheaper way, or drastically better way... otherwise, why bother? If the troy mags were $5, I'd be interested. But at 80% of the same price point as Pmags, I can't figure a reason to gamble.
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Certainly possible... but no different abuse than is suffered by Pmags and GI mags run under the same conditions. Have you had positive experience with the troy mags?
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What's the outrage with this one? Is S&W not allowed to sell M&Ps to the citizens of CA? If so this move sucks, but not a surprise from a company like that.
**** Troy.
And nice going STI!
And nice going STI!
They all do it, it's a marketing thing. Sell into that market and get a bunch of numbskulls sauntering around going "bluwh blwuh I need to kawwy an M&P cuz thats what the shewwifs r carryin! bwah!" Course it seems to be remarkably effective, so can't really blame them. The thing is there is a crossroads eventually where the tacit endorsement of this sort of thing isn't helping them. The thing is, let's pretend for a minute that S&W, Glock, and Springfield all boycotted CA. That's not going to stop some intermediary from offering them the same product at an increased cost... either that or Sig/HK will simply stroll in and take the business. (Sig and HK have been LE leg humpers since the dawn of time, for better or worse. )
On the other hand, it makes fiduciary sense for someone like Barrett or STI to shun then- other than the military I would wager that either of those companies' balance sheets is dominated by people like us buying their product- the people buying products from either of those companies are FAR more likely to be attuned to those kinds of issues than some tinfoil knitting circle type buyer that will buy the mass market stuff like S&W, Glock, Springfield, Ruger, Crapber, etc.
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Maybe I missed something, but what's the issue with selling something to a PD that's also available to the general public?
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It's no different than anything posted in this thread.
1 post after mine, there was a post of STI not even selling anything to anyone in California at all.
It's amazing everyone will trample Troy, but when S&W sells 13k guns to cops in a known anti state, that's ok.
I am missing something I guess.
Troy hires someone, that's a problem. S&W sells 13k guns to anti's and there's no outrage at all.
The people on here who pick & choose who they will boycott is amazing to me. I have no dog in this fight. I don't work for Troy. I am simply trying to make a point. If we wanted to boycott everyone who did something for an anti, we would be housebound, and wouldn't be able to shop anywhere. If you look hard enogh, you could find trouble with every company in America.
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Oh, so you completely missed the point of the Troy situation. That's cool.
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I didn't miss anything.
I also don't post things like: "**** Troy!" "Ruger is fudds!" "Boycott America!" "I'm gonna burn all Troy down!" Give me a ****ing break.
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If you're comparing the S&W story with the Troy thing you definitely did.
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S&W is selling 13k guns to cops in the biggest anti state in the country.
Troy hired someone who was a part of Ruby Ridge. Supposedly.
What's the difference?
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Dude no offense, but the list of things on your boycott list is getting longer and longer. I can't even keep track.
No offense whatsoever. If Ruger did the same thing I'd feel the same way. It would suck though.
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You need to educate yourself on what's going on with Troy and on Ruby Ridge if you want to start going after other people in this thread.
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S&W sells 13k guns to cops in an anti state, and I am just surprised how there is no outrage for that.
Remington took a .gov payout not too long ago to stay in NY. That outrage lasted 5 minutes.
Remington took a .gov payout not too long ago to stay in NY. That outrage lasted 5 minutes.
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Oh shit, was I supposed to be boycotting Remington?
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How does either of those compare to what's going on with Troy?
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I am not saying it 'compares' to Troy. I am simply trying to say that although they may not be on the same level, every company out there gets in bed with someone they shouldn't from time to time.
We can agree on that I think.
That's my point.
