Latest From the Massachusetts ANTI's

[JonJ]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/ma...03/01/hearing_sought_on_high_powered_gun_ban/

Hearing sought on high-powered gun ban

March 1, 2006

City Council President Michael F. Flaherty plans to ask the council today to hold a public hearing on banning a high-powered handgun that fires rounds capable of penetrating some kinds of body armor. Police warned officers about the FN Five-Seven after it was used in at least two street shootings last month. US Representative Martin T. Meehan and state Senator Jarrett T. Barrios have also condemned the gun. Barrios said he intended to introduce legislation to outlaw the gun in the Bay State because he said only its large magazine keeps it from being sold here.


Antigun billboard to feature new message

City officials and Stop Handgun Violence will unveil a new antigun message today on a big billboard along the Massachusetts Turnpike. The billboard will criticize the gun laws of states such as New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine, saying that they and 29 other states allow private owners to sell guns without criminal background checks of buyers, contributing to gun trafficking and crime in Massachusetts. Meanwhile, a local youth ministry is calling on parents and businesses to participate in a new gun buyback program. Members of Youth In Crisis Ministries sent letters this week to dozens of churches and local businesses, asking them to donate vouchers to those who turn in guns. Unlike other buyback programs, the program is aimed more toward parents than to youth, said the Rev. Shaun Harrison, the organization's executive director.

 

[Admin]

What I find amusing is the fail to mention wether or not the gun was used illegally or not. I would be willing to bet both were. So obviously with the gun being banned the ciminals will stop using them?

I need to get in to one of these meetings just so I can educate these sheeple.

 

[Adam_MA]

Not to mention, weather or not these "high powered handguns" were actually using the armor piercing ammo!

f***ing tools!

 

[SiameseRat]

What gun is it? I want to get one before it's banned...

 

[Admin]

Should read...

The billboard will criticize the gun laws of states such as New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine, saying that they and 29 other states allow private citizens to exercise their freedoms as Americans

 

[Adam_MA]

What gun is it? I want to get one before it's banned...

FN Five-Seven

Just remember, this one is already thrown into the .50 ban as well with not grandfather clause to keep it!

 

[Admin]

Not to mention, weather or not these "high powered handguns" were actually using the armor piercing ammo!

f***ing tools!

Come on Adam, you know liberals don't have time for facts.

 

[Mike508]

What I find amusing is the fail to mention wether or not the gun was used illegally or not. I would be willing to bet both were. So obviously with the gun being banned the ciminals will stop using them?

I need to get in to one of these meetings just so I can educate these sheeple.

These liberal bastards don't have functional ears! How do we, legally, get rid of these clowns?

 

[BigWarden]

Your tax dollars at work.

Any idea how much a billboard on the Mass Pike costs to rent?

 

[centermass181]

the billboard should do the trick.

 

[Admin]

the billboard should do the trick.

Ya we will show all those other states just how stupid we are! I MEAN THEY ARE!!!!

 

[JonJ]

New Hamshireites should worry a little....
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2006/02/26/letters/

Letters
February 26, 2006

STRAIGHT SHOOTER
Let me get this straight: John Rosenthal is saying only citizens who can afford expensive shotguns and join expensive suburban gun clubs should be allowed to own a firearm ("Profile," February 5). So shotguns are "good" guns and the "assault weapons" on his billboards are "bad" guns. What an elitist. I don't think the 2d amendment was written to guarantee the right of affluent people to shoot sporting clays. Rosenthal is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
ROBERT W. LEE /// Leominster

And from the other side:

Gun owners need to have our own voice and stop the perception that the NRA speaks for us. I am a strong believer in the right to bear arms but believe that we have an obligation to protect our law-abiding citizens and law enforcement officers by doing our best to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and children. I immediately joined the American Hunters and Shooters Association and forwarded its website to all the gun owners I know.
BILL CANTLIN /// Thornton, New Hampshire

Mr. Cantlin is the main developer of Waterville Valley (The Waterville Co.). And just guess who his buddy is? Oh ya, Mark Rosenthal.
Read:
http://www.watervillevalleyrealty.com/press-release-oct292003.htm
A little bit of Massachusetts making it's way north.

 

[K-DUB]

What gun is it? I want to get one before it's banned...

I want one too! http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm

 

[Lugnut]

What I find amusing is the fail to mention wether or not the gun was used illegally or not. I would be willing to bet both were. So obviously with the gun being banned the ciminals will stop using them?

I need to get in to one of these meetings just so I can educate these sheeple.

Know the enemy and the real motives... they don't mention this because it's irrellevent to them. Their real goal is to eliminate firearms from civilians... period, end of story.

Rational people like us would ask this question IF we thought they were really trying to fix problems... but instead we know they just want to eliminate firearms. Besides... they have no idea how to fix the problems... hell they don't even have the gonads to admit what the real problems are!

 

[Admin]

Know the enemy and the real motives... they don't mention this because it's irrellevent to them. Their real goal is to eliminate firearms from civilians... period, end of story.

Rational people like us would ask this question IF we thought they were really trying to fix problems... but instead we know they just want to eliminate firearms. Besides... they have no idea how to fix the problems... hell they don't even have the gonads to admit what the real problems are!

I know the real motives. I just like to play devil's advocate.

 

[CaveDog]

Barrios said he intended to introduce legislation to outlaw the gun in the Bay State because he said only its large magazine keeps it from being sold here.

The gun can't be sold in MA already but they need another law just in case.

This was posted on another forum, but I think it's appropriate for this thread's topic...

Howdy folks, I found this article at the gold is money forum, I've known a few guys at former work places that fits this discription.

Please note that this was written by a women and I bet she's got a CCW!

Posted on 01/30/2006 10:00:41 AM PST by Jotmo

LET'S be honest. He's scared of the thing. That's understandable--so am I. But as a girl I have the luxury of being able to admit it. I don't have to masquerade squeamishness as grand principle-in the interest of mankind, no less.
A man does. He has to say things like "One Taniqua Hall is one too many," as a New York radio talk show host did in referring to the 9-year old New York girl who was accidentally shot last year by her 12-year old cousin playing with his uncle's gun. But the truth is he desperately needs Taniqua Hall, just like he needs as many Columbines and Santees as can be mustered, until they spell an end to the Second Amendment. And not for the benefit of the masses, but for the benefit of his self-esteem.

He often accuses men with guns of "compensating for something." The truth is quite the reverse. After all, how is he supposed to feel knowing there are men out there who aren't intimidated by the big bad inanimate villain? How is he to feel in the face of adolescent boys who have used the family gun effectively in defending the family from an armed intruder? So if he can't touch a gun, he doesn't want other men to be able to either. And to achieve his ends, he'll use the only weapon he knows how to manipulate: the law.

Of course, sexual and psychological insecurities don't account for ALL men against guns. Certainly there must be some whose motives are pure, who perhaps do care so much as to tirelessly look for policy solutions to teenage void and aggressiveness, and to parent and teacher negligence. But for a potentially large underlying contributor, psycho-sexual inadequacy has gone unexplored and unacknowledged. It's one thing to not be comfortable with a firearm and therefore opt to not keep or bear one. But it's another to impose the same handicap onto others.

People are suspicious of what they do not know-and not only does this man not know how to use a gun, he doesn't know the men who do, or the number of people who have successfully used one to defend themselves from injury or death. But he is better left in the dark; his life is hard enough knowing there are men out there who don't sit cross-legged. That they're able to handle a firearm instead of being handled by it would be too much to bear.

Such a man is also best kept huddled in urban centers, where he feels safer than he might if thrown out on his own into a rural setting, in an isolated house on a quiet street where he would feel naked and helpless. Lacking the confidence that would permit him to be sequestered in sparseness, and lacking a gun, he finds comfort in the cloister of crowds.

The very ownership of a gun for defense of home and family implies some assertiveness and a certain self-reliance. But if our man kept a gun in the house, and an intruder broke in and started attacking his wife in front of him, he wouldn't be able to later say, "He had a knife--there was nothing I could do!" Passively watching in horror while already trying to make peace with the violent act, scheduling a therapy session and forgiving the perpetrator before the attack is even finished wouldn't be the option it otherwise is.

No. Better to emasculate all men. Because let's face it: He's a lover, not a fighter. And he doesn't want to get shot in case he has an affair with your wife.

Of course, it wouldn't be completely honest not to admit that owning a firearm carries with it some risk to unintended targets. That's the tradeoff with a gun: The right to defend one's life and way of life isn't without peril to oneself. And the last thing this man wants to do is risk his life-if even to save it. For he is guided by a dread fear for his life, and has more confidence in almost anyone else's ability to protect him than his own, preferring to place himself at the mercy of the villain or in the sporadically competent hands of authorities (his line of defense consisting of locks, alarm systems, reasoning with the attacker, calling the police or, should fighting back occur to him, thrashing a heavy vase).

In short, he is a man begging for subjugation. He longs for its promise of equality in helplessness. Because only when that strange, independent alpha breed of male is helpless along with him will he feel adequate. Indeed, his freedom lies in this other man's containment.

 

[Lugnut]

I know the real motives. I just like to play devil's advocate.

I hear ya... it all really just pisses me off. Everytime I hear about a crime where a gun was used I get crazed because they never say whether the person was legally licensed or not! My wife is getting tired of listening to me watching the news... but I think she's starting to understand.

 

[Skald]

I want to hit megabucks. All I can say about the billboard. Be ironic in that the state will be paying to have pro-gun billboards and one marker Herr Reiley.

Yah, the odds are against me, but I can dream can't I, or am I now forbidden to dream because it may be about one of the guns not on the AG's list.

 

[centermass181]

the thought police will be at your door for the 'no-knock lobotomy'.

 

[C-pher]

I want to hit megabucks. All I can say about the billboard. Be ironic in that the state will be paying to have pro-gun billboards and one marker Herr Reiley.

Yah, the odds are against me, but I can dream can't I, or am I now forbidden to dream because it may be about one of the guns not on the AG's list.

I'm with you, if I ever hit it big, then I'm going to be doing the same thing...firing up a billboard telling truth.

 

[SiameseRat]

I want one too! http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Index.htm

Thanks K-DUB that's a neat little handgun. I pulled it up and my hubby peaked over my shoulder and started drooling. We really need to get out of this state. If it weren't for those pesky things called work and friends we'd be out of here.

 

[Nickle]

FN Five7. Local shop has one for $1150. My cost is considerably cheaper, but still a LOT of bucks. I'm seriously tempted to get one.

 

[Nickle]

SR, you can ALWAYS find a new job and make new friends. And you can drive back once in a while to visit. Not like it's far to free country.

 

[Emoto]

Check this out. http://www.gunweek.com/2005/hs022005.html

 

[Weerd Beard]

Again this is bitching and moaning about bullet-type. IIRC it's FNs Lead-free ammo that punches holes in kevlar (What are they made of, tungsten?)

But of couse these AP rounds are not sold legally (but to the gun grabber's what's the difference) to civillians (and certainly not criminals with long rap-sheets and gang connections).

But the regualr jacketed lead bullets that will be available to the unwashed masses are frankly what I'd call UNDERPOWERED.

Did a quick search on muzzel energy and found the FN 5.7 (being fired from the FiveSeveN pistol) pushes 289 Ft/lbs

9mm Luger pushes about 383
.40 S&W 500
.45 ACP 430

and the 5.7 is High-powered????

I won't lie, I was a GFW when I was in my teens. I saw on the news people shooting watermellons with AK-47, and I lampooned the NRA when they mentioned that the AK-47 could be used for hunting.
"What would be LEFT???" was what we all askes, while laughing at the fool.

Then I found out that 7.62 Soviet has the ballistics of the .30/30 Winchester...wait, that's a hunting round....and not overly powerful at that....

I just HATE having smoke blown up my ass!

-Weer'd Beard

 

[Chris]

Stay away from politics. It's replete with smoke 'n' asses.

 

[Weerd Beard]

Stay away from politics. It's replete with smoke 'n' asses.

So varmint hunters actully LIKE the varmints that they shoot?

I'm a scientist, so I like to kill ignorance...and kill it dead!

So I go "hunting" often...and I bring my hip waders.

Arrr

-Weer'd Beard

 

[Bruce for NH State Rep]

Obligatory mAss Backwards cross-posting

Next up, it's our old friends over at Stop Handgun Violence, with their plans to unveil a new anti-personal responsibility billboard along the Mass. Pike. This latest go 'round will be following up on Boston Mayor Tom Menino's recent attempts at blaming New Hampshire for Boston's recent rise in homicides.

Antigun billboard to feature new message

City officials and Stop Handgun Violence will unveil a new antigun message today on a big billboard along the Massachusetts Turnpike. The billboard will criticize the gun laws of states such as New Hampshire, Vermont, and Maine, saying that they and 29 other states allow private owners to sell guns without criminal background checks of buyers, contributing to gun trafficking and crime in Massachusetts.

YAAWWWN! Oh, I'm sorry, did you simpering little f***weasels just say something? I must've dozed off there for a sec.

Menino's moronic little game of "Blame New Hampshire" has been amply touched upon earlier (read: severely beaten to death) on this site, so I won't be going into all that much detail here, but what it comes down to is this.

Mumbles - just like the rest of these incompetent jackoffs - in trying to find someone to blame for his own shortcomings simply can't get his mind (for lack of a better word) around the fact that these other states have found a way to keep their crime rates low, and at the same time, allow their residents to enjoy the freedom, fun, and responsibility that come with being a gun owner.

Uh-oh. I said "responsibility". I think I can be brought up on hate speech charges now.

Senator Jarrett Barrios and his merry band of gun grabbing twits up on Beacon Hill are simply livid that these other states' legislators don't share their zeal for restricting the 2nd Amendment rights of their citizenry.

Fighting crime by incessantly crapping on those who aren't committing the crime has become such an entrenched way of life for these parasitic dick squeezings that after having been met with proven failure upon failure within the borders of their own state, they can see no other option than to start shoveling some of that same shit over the barbed wire fences into the neighboring American territories.

Bottom line: The reason these idiots have nothing left in their playbook, other than more whining and moaning about the need to further restrict the rights of the law-abiding citizens under their purview, is that they've proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they are fully incapable of arresting, prosecuting, and incarcerating those individuals in the Commonwealth who are using firearms in a criminal manner.

Have you seen the clearance rate for homicides in the City of Boston lately?

How about the ever-climbing number of unsolved shootings in the city? Unsolved armed robberies? Unsolved stabbings?

But, hey, as long as those in power can continue to demonize the "baaaad, scary guns" and trample on the rights of the decent people of the commonwealth who don't share their visions of a police state-generated Utopia, then their mindless followers (read: voters) will stay in line, happy to play along, bathing in the false security provided them by their do-nothing, self-serving, logically-bereft "leaders".

More here

 

[Nickle]

Well, you know, the number of "Drive By Bayonettings" has gone up in free states since the Federal AWB sunsetted.

 

[ArmedMainer]

I won't lie, I was a GFW when I was in my teens.

-Weer'd Beard

Any chance you could tell me what a GFW is? I've got no clue. Thanks