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LOL I've not seen that since MichealJR jerked us all around with that Quentin Defense lower group buy.
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It's pathetic that there are nearly half a million gun owners in this state and we don't even have 5% representation in GOAL.
Estimates place the US as having c. 120M gun owners, and the NRA has 5M+ members. That's about the same 5%. Why are you so surprised/disappointed?
LOL I've not seen that since MichealJR jerked us all around with that Quentin Defense lower group buy.
Next time, you could also tell him that because of the climate on this state, more and more "good guys" aren't registering their guns either.Calling state reps is a waste of time at this point.
Talking to a co-worker the other day, he knows I own guns. Subject of registration came up, he said it good they know who has what (im paraphrasing). I asked why and pointed out that good guys register but theyre not causing the problems and bad guys are causing the problems but dont register. Whats being accomplished? He kind of sat there for a second and then chuckled and said "...yeah, youre right." Thats worth a dozen phone calls to some closet communist state reps office, answered by an Antifa sympathizing twenty-something who is rolling his eyes and giggling the whole time.
Next time, you could also tell him that because of the climate on this state, more and more "good guys" aren't registering their guns either.
In another thread an NES member expressed dissatisfaction with GOAL's efforts to stop ERPO. Hard to blame GOAL for the failure to stop passage of the ERPO bill. I didn't agree with their strategy of tying to stop passage of this bill by labeling it "cruel" and "dangerous". Not an effective approach. They would have been better off taking the RI approach of limiting the people authorized to submit ERPO petition to LEO's and mental health professionals. Too late now. Credit to Jim W. for hanging in there. MA statehouse not a receptive environment.
But basically the bill passed due to complete lack of interest from firearm owners. Review some of the recent NES threads and you can deterrmine what interests firearms owners:
Thread on which truck to buy, 98 replies, 933 views,
Thread on boycotting BOA, 83 replies, 1753 views,
Thread on AG v. Exxon, 32 views, 2852 views,
Thread on Syria, 107 replies, 1105 views,
*Thread on ERPO, 39 replies, 1512 views*****
It's clear that NES members are more interested in Trumps Border Wall (71/974) and if grapes are toxic to dogs (64/989)
MVGC passed on the GOAL alert, Andover did not. Wonder which clubs followed Andover's apathetic response.
At this point I see no point in investing any more of my time on 2A issues with such a clear lack of support from NES members.
It's simply not a productive use of my time.
That’ll go over well when they then decide to start knocking on doors to check all licensed personnel for compliance.
In another thread an NES member expressed dissatisfaction with GOAL's efforts to stop ERPO. Hard to blame GOAL for the failure to stop passage of the ERPO bill. I didn't agree with their strategy of tying to stop passage of this bill by labeling it "cruel" and "dangerous". Not an effective approach. They would have been better off taking the RI approach of limiting the people authorized to submit ERPO petition to LEO's and mental health professionals. Too late now. Credit to Jim W. for hanging in there. MA statehouse not a receptive environment.
But basically the bill passed due to complete lack of interest from firearm owners. ...
(snip of a bunch of words conflating NES with all of Massachusetts firearms owners).
I think some people believe its GOALS job to have a event coordinator/cheerleader on staff to rally the troops and quite simply that's not really what they're about.
Personally, I think there's enough call that maybe GOAL should have a division set to coordinate events and gatherings with some regularity. There seems to be nobody taking the activist reins and that honestly is one of our biggest problems. The other problem is that when someone does take those reins either the message is off topic or so poorly executed you end up with four old guys and a Gaston flag bitching about chemtrail mixture on the sidewalk. Because nobody could take it seriously enough to do anything but armchair quarterback.
... a lot of MA gun owners just don't give a shit anymore. ..
... a lot of MA gun owners just don't give a shit anymore. They've thrown their hands up in the
air after 7/20 and they're pretty much like "f*** it, the whole system is rigged in this shithole, why bother?" I understand the temptation, but we gotta move beyond that somehow. Also, whose to know if Jim didn't try to get them exactly what you suggested, but that wasn't even on the table? Most of us here aren't privy to what goes on inside the secret golden dome building. If whatever committee this went in had a stacked deck against us, it wouldn't have mattered much
anyways. It would appear that on its face, they used a lesser known moonbat to introduce it instead of using Linstain, who people reflexively vote no
against...
Unless the legiscritters change MGL to reflect this (to make MA a pure compulsory registration state like NY? not sure which ones are left, I know MI did it for handguns at one point) possessing an unregistered firearm in MA is not prima facie evidence of any kind of a crime having occurred. Of course I'm sure the commies wont overlook that and will mutilate the law to suit their whims, but I'm not going to be hanging around to watch that down the road, hopefully.
-Mike
So, other than the "Friday News" email from GOAL, how would MA firearms owners even KNOW about this? Many/most don't check email daily. I've said it before, and will say it again, a PHONE CALL is the way to do this. I've worked the phone banks at GOAL before. Nowadays, there is computerized software and subscription services to do this function, probably much MUCH quicker and more effectively (recalls for busy signals, etc.), and prices are getting more reasonable. Plus, as the MA affiliate of NRA, they should request some financial assistance with this.
I think GOAL needs someone to coordinate all the gun clubs and gun shops, and make sure they are up to speed on things. There needs to be a distributed network to get the word out.
Our club meeting is tonight. What do I tell them? It has to be in a very brief format, and have actionable items to go with it.
My club requires this as well. Also require NRA membership for the first year. I honestly think they should add a Comm2A requirement too.he made a comment about requiring all club members to be Goal members. I would support that.
Understood and agree, then again on 7/19 we were all good to go too until you know who woke up the next day on the wrong side of the bed.
Exactly - what gives the NRA it's influence ? It's not the name, it's the membership numbers (and we vote). Last week Jim was at Andover Sportsmen's Club and he made a comment about requiring all club members to be Goal members. I would support that.
Was this a done deal as of last Friday, or what?
Is there actually any clear message at this point?
Some talk at the club meeting last night about ERPO.
Was this a done deal as of last Friday, or what?
Members of the board basically agreed we need to get word out to all membership, and quicker. As newsletter person, I am willing to comply, but want to make sure to not bury them to the point of ignoring it. Is there actually any clear message at this point?
Yes and no. It was reporting favorably out of committee with some changes and now goes into the "reading" or enactment process. Usually just a formality but amendments are possible. Hoping GOAL will provide specifics on the changes and recommendations but nothing on their web site yet.
If we could get "family members" out of the bill and substitute "law enforcement officers and mental health professionals" as allowed petitioners as RI did we could live with the bill. As written??? Don't ever piss off your wife or girl friend.