Illinois Bill to Ban All Modern Firearms

[Bob Palermo]

I keep hearing "fight for this, stand up for that". Fact is, the union commies and the anti gun kumbaya clowns seem to do a better job at fighting and standing up. Where are the pro gun demonstrations? Where's the public outrage?
IMO the only way to be heard would be to PEACEFULLY demonstrate in Boston. Maybe a sign ot two that read "we didn't bring our guns... THIS TIME" would get some libs to think. Yet, all we do is to bitch here, where no libtard will ever see it.

My future home of MI:
http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...ters-rally-around-arrested-michigan-teen.html

 

[Bob Palermo]

Every time people flee the state we become weaker and send Mass deeper into being a blue state.... Which in turn gives us that many less senators and representatives that we can send to DC to represent our beliefs. Not every district in MA has always been so blue. When conservatives leave we weaken the conservative voice in MA and in turn, in Washington.

What are you talking about? MA is as blue as you can get...and has been for some time. What conservative voice? Have you been living under a rock for the past 3 decades?

MA is lost. Period.

States like NH can be saved. And all the gun owners moving from MA to NH can help offset the moonbat migration problem they have.

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I agree. Why pay MA taxes only to have them shit all over you? Illegal immigrants get treated better than Americans in Mass.

I have no regrets about moving from MA and taking my money with me. Let that state keep driving it's citizens out, and see how long they last as a state of leeches.

Hit...Nail....Head...

 

[fivepak]

If you don't have a plan in place NOW to have your wife and kids (if you have them) relocate while you and your brethren resist the police state, then you don't take this nearly as seriously as you should.

And where exactly would that be. This isn't a north vs south thing. There aren't lines. Yes, there's red and blue states, but it's still pretty blurred.

 

[Bob Palermo]

And where exactly would that be. This isn't a north vs south thing. There aren't lines. Yes, there's red and blue states, but it's still pretty blurred.

Mexico?

 

[fivepak]

Mexico?

I heard if you live down there Uncle Barry will send you a free automatic weapon. Sounds like a good deal plus no snow.

 

[inerlogic]

I heard if you live down there Uncle Barry will send you a free automatic weapon. Sounds like a good deal plus no snow.

IN!

 

[fivepak]

So you don't think there is any place in the USA that your family could go that there wouldn't be armed resistance to the tyrannical thugs? I am not banking on that kind of turnout. Besides, they won't be in the CONUS, anyway.

It must be nice to have those kind of resources.

 

[Bob Palermo]

I heard if you live down there Uncle Barry will send you a free automatic weapon. Sounds like a good deal plus no snow.

Count me in too!

 

[frenchman]

My problem is that NOBODY sees us. Nobody hears us. And, nobody FEARS us. And that's the point. "They" maybe need a reminder that they are messing with the guys who have guns.
Disclaimer: I DO NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE OF ANY KIND.
But let's face it, a demonstration with 2000+ people in front of Menino's office, or many more marching down Pennsylvania ave would leave a longer lasting impression then a new thread on NES. The left does it all the time when there's something going on that they don't agree with. THe TEA party could do it. The unions can do it. How come we can't? If GOAL or someone similar would organize it, the news would go around on boards like this, and i'm sure we can get folks together to participate. I know I'd be in.

 

[Bob Palermo]

My problem is that NOBODY sees us. Nobody hears us. And, nobody FEARS us. And that's the point. "They" maybe need a reminder that they are messing with the guys who have guns.

Between my property tax, state income tax, excise tax, sales taxes, and all other various tolls and taxes paid, I estimate I pay close to $12,000 to MA every year. When I leave and take my money with me, they will notice. Especially if I am replaced by someone living off the state aide. See how long a socialist state can operate when all the working people flee.

 

[fivepak]

My problem is that NOBODY sees us. Nobody hears us. And, nobody FEARS us. And that's the point. "They" maybe need a reminder that they are messing with they guys with guns.
Disclaimer: I DO NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE OF ANY KIND.
But let's face it, a demonstration with 2000+ people in front of Menino's office, or many more marching down Pennsylvania ave would leave a longer lasting impression then a new thread on NES. The left does it all the time when there's something going on that they don't agree with. THe TEA party could do it. The unions can do it. How come we can't? If GOAL or someone similar would organize it, the news would go around on boards like this, and i'm sure we can get folks together to participate. I know I'd be in.

Half measures wouldn't work. Show up armed or just with signs saying "we have guns", but with the intent to just peacefully protest and it plays into their hands. The media will paint us as a bunch of violent wackos making threats and the last remaining fence sitting sheep will be all for sweeping gun control.
Go all out with violent rebellion before the actual time it becomes necessary and not enough people join the cause and it fails.
No law has actually passed that calls for stricter gun control or confiscation. I'm going to play it like the minutemen did and live my life, but be ready at a moment's notice. My hope is that the American spirit is still very much alive with the spent majority and when they push we shove back real hard. I'm also betting much of the military wouldn't appreciate seeing the constitution dismantled to that degree.

 

[Bob Palermo]

I'll trade resources with you any day. Single income family of three (one more on the way) living on $30k net/year with no .gov assistance. It can be done, but one needs to assess how important the cause of liberty is for them and future generations and weed out all their "first world problems". My grandparents and parents cared more about money and material things than they did about liberty; they were happy to deep six my future freedom in order to make their lifestyles more convenient. The buck stops with me.

Then you need to get your kids out of the MA school system. They will be programmed to think exactly how your parents thought (if not worse).

 

[fivepak]

I'll trade resources with you any day. Single income family of three (one more on the way) living on $30k net/year with no .gov assistance. It can be done, but one needs to assess how important the cause of liberty is for them and future generations and weed out all their "first world problems". My grandparents and parents cared more about money and material things than they did about liberty; they were happy to deep six my future freedom in order to make their lifestyles more convenient. The buck stops with me.

I'm not in total disagreement with you. If go time came my family will retreat north to a friends property where there are far more friendlies. I just don't think that time is here yet.

 

[Ott]

Every March here in Illinois there is a well organized pro gun march at the state capitol, with thousands attending. Pro firearm cards are filled out and left at offices all over the capitol. It goes without saying that the gun grabbers hide behind closex doors during the demonstration.

Every year the meager news coverage GROSSLY underestimates the turnout and poo-poos the demonstration. However, I feel it sends a very important message to the Chicago contigent.

I keep hearing "fight for this, stand up for that". Fact is, the union commies and the anti gun kumbaya clowns seem to do a better job at fighting and standing up. Where are the pro gun demonstrations? Where's the public outrage?
IMO the only way to be heard would be to PEACEFULLY demonstrate in Boston. Maybe a sign ot two that read "we didn't bring our guns... THIS TIME" would get some libs to think. Yet, all we do is to bitch here, where no libtard will ever see it.

 

[frenchman]

Here's my take on it. If we can make some of the politicians change their mind BEFORE anything is voted for, then there might not be a need for a "go time". Guys, I have been deployed to Beirut in 83 and 84, and I've seen first hand what serious "go time" looks like. It is nothing one whould wish for. We should do everything we can to avoid violent confrontations. To shoot at your fellow contrymen can not be the answer.
As far as the military goes, let's pray that the best case scenario would happen and that they would just stay out of it. If you think that they will pick your side, you're fooling yourself. The brass of the forces is more made of politicians in uniform then of real soldiers. The last soldier general died with Stormin' Norman.

 

[fivepak]

As far as the military goes, let's pray that the best case scenario would happen and that they would just stay out of it. If you think that they will pick your side, you're fooling yourself. The brass of the forces is more made of politicians in uniform then of real soldiers. The last soldier general died with Stormin' Norman.

Actually I was hoping for some blue helmeted targets. I'd have no problem putting them in my sights.

 

[HKdrummer]

I'm not suggesting Illinois should be left for the wolves.

In my view anything that *infringes* on the right to keep and bear arms (absent due process) violates the US Constitution.

But to chastise people or business for taking themselves elsewhere for *whatever* reason they choose to is imposing your will on them (with or without effect) JUST as Feinstein is hoping to do to us.

Voting with feet IS a way of fighting, both by depriving the first community of your resources (read as taxes) and by strengthening the forces of the second (read as moral support, taxes / whatever).

States DO notice that x% left and states like NH are well aware of WHY people are moving there. It strengthens their cause and weakens Massachusetts (or Illinois in this case).

You can shoot my '91 if you want at the next shoot. (not AT it, with it!)

I see what your getting at, but at some point, people need to be shaken from their fog. I mean what I say with all due respect when I say "wake the **** up" It's my way of saying take the godamned red pill. I get that some wont want to fight, on whatever level it is, thats fine, all I ask for is their support.

I keep hearing "fight for this, stand up for that". Fact is, the union commies and the anti gun kumbaya clowns seem to do a better job at fighting and standing up. Where are the pro gun demonstrations? Where's the public outrage?
IMO the only way to be heard would be to PEACEFULLY demonstrate in Boston. Maybe a sign ot two that read "we didn't bring our guns... THIS TIME" would get some libs to think. Yet, all we do is to bitch here, where no libtard will ever see it.

I have something in the works that I'm looking to set up, keep your eyes posted

If you look at the situation in IL pro-gun protesters have gathered. The problem is when we do no one notices because the left controls most of the information in this country.

It's time we get a bit louder then. At some point, they must be forced to hear us.

Trying to do something like this is futile when people will only do what they are told by Comm2A, GOAL, SAF, GOA, etc. These groups are great and are a huge help for the cause, but most people would rather bitch about things here and pull the "I gave at the office" routine and just throw money at the problem.......

If you don't have a plan in place NOW to have your wife and kids (if you have them) relocate while you and your brethren resist the police state, then you don't take this nearly as seriously as you should.

It's time we get those groups to help support some sort of protest. While they are inside fighting the legislation, we need to be out front screaming at the tops of our lungs. Throwing money at it will not fix it anymore

And where exactly would that be. This isn't a north vs south thing. There aren't lines. Yes, there's red and blue states, but it's still pretty blurred.

The lines are developing. There will be a clear side. Mark my words.

My problem is that NOBODY sees us. Nobody hears us. And, nobody FEARS us. And that's the point. "They" maybe need a reminder that they are messing with the guys who have guns.
Disclaimer: I DO NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE OF ANY KIND.
But let's face it, a demonstration with 2000+ people in front of Menino's office, or many more marching down Pennsylvania ave would leave a longer lasting impression then a new thread on NES. The left does it all the time when there's something going on that they don't agree with. THe TEA party could do it. The unions can do it. How come we can't? If GOAL or someone similar would organize it, the news would go around on boards like this, and i'm sure we can get folks together to participate. I know I'd be in.

Again, I'm conjuring an idea....

Half measures wouldn't work. Show up armed or just with signs saying "we have guns", but with the intent to just peacefully protest and it plays into their hands. The media will paint us as a bunch of violent wackos making threats and the last remaining fence sitting sheep will be all for sweeping gun control.....

You think they need a protest to think that? guess what? They already do think that, the death threats posted all over the internet towards NRA members is proof of that. I'm done giving a **** what the other side thinks or perceives of us. Don't you get it, time for discussion is over. It's time to get angry and loud, not violent, that's not what I'm getting at, but we need to force them to hear we're not going to back down without a fight.

 

[fivepak]

We need to unite first. Fudds have to be won over. The only way I see that happening is if the libs get their way in Indiana. Then they'll see all along we were right that the end game is total disarmament.

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I need a nap. I've been up all night and I have drill tomorrow. Time to spread discontent to my fellow soldiers.

 

[HKdrummer]

We need to unite first. Fudds have to be won over. The only way I see that happening is if the libs get their way in Indiana. Then they'll see all along we were right that the end game is total disarmament.

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I need a nap. I've been up all night and I have drill tomorrow. Time to spread discontent to my fellow soldiers.

Let the hate breed my child......let it consume you.....excellent....

 

[frenchman]

I will not go quietly, I will not lay down.....You will not defeat me

And that is all one can ask from you. If only all the people who fantise about "go time", and who see themselves implementing an armed resistance to the government, would just join the comon cause and try every possible peacefull way, instead of waiting for the shooting to start. What a great force to rekon with we would be (and I mean that in a political way).

 

[HKdrummer]

I'm all for a peaceful solution. That is what I hope and pray for. All the while, I am not banking on it. There are plenty others here who have seen war and BTDT who feel the same way. I don't think people are chomping at the bit for go time because they want it to happen; many feel as though it will happen eventually and just want to get it over with so their kids don't have this fight on their watch.

****ing hell no. I live a great life, have a dead sexy girlfriend and a house that I enjoy. There's no way in christ I want to see all hell break lose. Now, does that mean I haven't planned accordingly, or am aware that it is a very real possibility? Hell no, it's been discussed with my loved ones that if SHTF this is how we are going to handle it.

No one desires war, and anyone who tells you they do is a liar.

 

[jar]

No one desires war, and anyone who tells you they do is a liar.

Or positioned to profit from it, or insane.

 

[Business]

****ing hell no. I live a great life, have a dead sexy girlfriend and a house that I enjoy. There's no way in christ I want to see all hell break lose. Now, does that mean I haven't planned accordingly, or am aware that it is a very real possibility? Hell no, it's been discussed with my loved ones that if SHTF this is how we are going to handle it.

No one desires war, and anyone who tells you they do is a liar.

Quoted for truth

 

[frenchman]

I'm all for a peaceful solution. That is what I hope and pray for. All the while, I am not banking on it.

That's all I'm asking for. In this case, the best we can do is have the same attitude as the marines.

Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet

 

[Bigrugg95]

I will never give up on Massachusetts nor will I surrender to the libtards here.

At the risk of continuing to be off topic, I'm going to give defending the freedom of being a conservative in Massachusetts to an audience of conservative Americans a rest. I probably should/could have started a new topic about defending MA rather than post here.

Every topic turns into NH vs MA lately around here. I was/am disappointed in that sentiment. I find it short sighted and naive.

Give up on MA and you hand liberals one more state that they don't need to campaign in, worry about, or fight for in national elections.

I saw the post about rallying at state capitols on February 8th at 10am. I'll be there in Boston.... I get the feeling I might be alone though

 

[economist]

I love these what-to-do discussions. Look, we can all write letters and march like hippies and maybe somebody somewhere will give a damn. I know that sort of thing has never changed my mind. Alternatively, people can get more assertive, and the discussions that dance around that are just a lot of hot air and bullshit. You can always spot an internet tough guy by how much he derides those who won't be as bad-ass as he would be (hypothetically of course) if he happened to be in a situation he is not in, but by God is ready for. Anyone truly ready to throw down and fight isn't going to say a damned thing about it on the ****ing internet. Then we get the New England guys in liberal states talking trash about how guys in other New England liberal states should move to a slightly less liberal state because their liberal state is just way too liberal. Guys -- I hate to break it to you -- but New England is a solid bastion of meddling liberals and progressive collectivists differing only by degree.

Now, carry on internet fighters, carry on...

 

[cekim]

Now, carry on internet fighters, carry on...

That and please at least forward these thoughts to your elected officials directly rather than hoping they don't find them here?

 

[Coyote33]

Every March here in Illinois there is a well organized pro gun march at the state capitol, with thousands attending. Pro firearm cards are filled out and left at offices all over the capitol. It goes without saying that the gun grabbers hide behind closex doors during the demonstration.

Every year the meager news coverage GROSSLY underestimates the turnout and poo-poos the demonstration. However, I feel it sends a very important message to the Chicago contigent.

I keep hearing "fight for this, stand up for that". Fact is, the union commies and the anti gun kumbaya clowns seem to do a better job at fighting and standing up. Where are the pro gun demonstrations? Where's the public outrage?
IMO the only way to be heard would be to PEACEFULLY demonstrate in Boston. Maybe a sign ot two that read "we didn't bring our guns... THIS TIME" would get some libs to think. Yet, all we do is to bitch here, where no libtard will ever see it.

If you look at the situation in IL pro-gun protesters have gathered. The problem is when we do no one notices because the left controls most of the information in this country.

A march or protest in Boston was hinted at here. http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...-2nd-Amendment-rights?highlight=state+capital It seemed to fizzle from lack of oomph.

These guys seem to have ramped things up a bit, though:

My future home of MI:
http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...ters-rally-around-arrested-michigan-teen.html

 

[Zepp]

I love these what-to-do discussions. Look, we can all write letters and march like hippies and maybe somebody somewhere will give a damn. I know that sort of thing has never changed my mind. Alternatively, people can get more assertive, and the discussions that dance around that are just a lot of hot air and bullshit. You can always spot an internet tough guy by how much he derides those who won't be as bad-ass as he would be (hypothetically of course) if he happened to be in a situation he is not in, but by God is ready for. Anyone truly ready to throw down and fight isn't going to say a damned thing about it on the ****ing internet. Then we get the New England guys in liberal states talking trash about how guys in other New England liberal states should move to a slightly less liberal state because their liberal state is just way too liberal. Guys -- I hate to break it to you -- but New England is a solid bastion of meddling liberals and progressive collectivists differing only by degree.

Now, carry on internet fighters, carry on...

I'm not discussing what I'm doing to prepare... The blue hats will find out soon enough, and maybe some of the people on here are approaching dealing with gun grabbers in a lil bit of a sarcastic manner You cannot discount the feeling of hopelessness people have when their state and local government won't protect them from the fed... Which don't give a damn about our rights, where else are we gonna gripe? Yes New England is liberal as all hell, at least it's not Cali. Our politicians no longer care about us and seek to control us, at least here on NES we have like minded friends (well somewhat) where we can freely voice our opinions about this crappy time. The battle for our rights is over so let's continue our Internet gripe session about the political BS in New England and all prepare silently for go time.

 

[namedpipes]

I will never give up on Massachusetts nor will I surrender to the libtards here.

No one is asking you to.

Every topic turns into NH vs MA lately around here. I was/am disappointed in that sentiment. I find it short sighted and naive.

Give up on MA and you hand liberals one more state that they don't need to campaign in, worry about, or fight for in national elections.

I grew up in a town with < 2000 people. I remember laying on my back, looking up into a cloudless blue sky (this was before UV rays existed) and listening to horses neighing and trotting around in the next pasture. A car might pass by on the road if I stayed out there for a half hour or an hour. The store in the center of town was run by people that knew me, my folks, their folks and probably theirs, too. The Chief was respected. Yes, he'd bust your ass if you pulled something stupid, but there was a good chance you'd get off without "official" charges, too. The next neighbor was something like 300 yards down the road and I considered that too close. About once a month, my folks would take us into Worcester on a Sunday and we'd window show in the mall when it was an actual mall. The list of things to like goes on and on.

That town is unrecognizable now. That field is a couple of houses now. The taxes on the property are enough to pay for a new car every year and that's after selling off half the acreage. The schools are a joke, like all the other schools. Traffic is unceasing, expect in the wee hours. The police force is no longer your neighbor. The new blood in town would fit in well in Cambridge...

I could list a thousand reasons to leave this state and never mention gun politics.