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Illinois Bill to Ban All Modern Firearms
- Thread starter copterdoctor
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Help me out here, guys. I know that most states do not have a gun registration. But don't the FFLs have to keep the paperwork for 20 years or so? Means, if the BATF really wantedto know where the guns are, wouldn't they get at least some of them by just checking the LGS records?
(b) Firearms transaction record. Licensees shall retain each Form 4473 and Form 4473(LV) for a period of not less than 20 years after the date of sale or disposition. Where a licensee has initiated a NICS check for a proposed firearms transaction, but the sale, delivery, or transfer of the firearm is not made, the licensee shall record any transaction number on the Form 4473, and retain the Form 4473 for a period of not less than 5 years after the date of the NICS inquiry. Forms 4473 shall be retained in the licensee's records as provided in ? 478.124(b): Provided, That Forms 4473 with respect to which a sale, delivery or transfer did not take place shall be separately retained in alphabetical (by name of transferee) or chronological (by date of transferee's certification) order.
http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/478-129-record-retention-19675385
We just won this victory.http://www.illinoiscarry.com/news//3-94.php
Twenty four Illinois Counties passed Concealed Carry. Unfortunatly it is still against State law. 93 out of 102 Counties passed this. Illinois Legislators still have not officiallly aknowledged it.
SAMPLE RESOLUTION
WHEREAS, the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms is guaranteed as an Individual Right under the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and under the Constitution of the State of Illinois, and;
WHEREAS, the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms for defense of Life, Liberty, and Property is regarded as an Inalienable Right by the People of _______________ County, Illinois, and:
WHEREAS, the People of _________________ County, Illinois, derive economic benefit from all safe forms of firearms recreation, hunting, and shooting conducted within __________ County using all types of firearms allowable under the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Illinois, and;
WHEREAS, ____________ County Board, being elected to represent the People of _____________County and being duly sworn by their Oath of Office to uphold the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Illinois, and;
WHEREAS, the Illinois House of Representatives and the Illinois Senate, being elected by the People of the State of Illinois and being duly sworn by their Oath of Office to uphold the United States Constitution and the Constitution of the State of Illinois, and;
WHEREAS, proposed legislation under consideration by the Illinois State Legislature would infringe the Right to Keep and Bear Arms and would ban the possession and use of firearms now employed by individual citizens of _______________ County, Illinois, for defense of Life, Liberty and Property and would ban the possession and use of firearms now employed for safe forms of firearms recreation, hunting and shooting conducted within ____________ County, Illinois;
NOW, THEREFORE, IT BE AND IS HEREBY RESOLVED that the People of _____________ County, Illinois, do hereby oppose the enactment of any legislation that would infringe upon the Right of the People to keep and bear arms and consider such laws to be unconstitutional and beyond lawful Legislative Authority.
__________________________
Chairman
Attest:
____________________________
County Clerk
Which is why I said..."although this is not a particularly good example because the Constitution specifically grants you the right to bear arms..."
1903Collector
NES Member
I hope the Fudds are watching and listening!
That can only work in MA and CA. It really can't work anywhere else. Even IL. They don't have a registry. I mean, I guess they could use 4473s, but only covers FFL-based transfers. FTFs in free states don't have any mandated reporting requirement.
Minor but important note: The Constitution doesn't grant you anything. Unless you are Congress.
The Constitution, and namely the Bill of Rights, guarantees certain protections. Basically the stuff the feds can't do to us. And some rights have been incorporated via the 14th so the states can't do it either.
There is no right way to fight something like that. If you give up your gun(s), they win.
If you don't, you go to jail. They win.
If you fight, they will have it all over the news, and it's going to be "See, they shoot LEOs. They shouldn't have guns". They have the PR they need. You're dead. They win.
If you don't, you go to jail. They win.
If you fight, they will have it all over the news, and it's going to be "See, they shoot LEOs. They shouldn't have guns". They have the PR they need. You're dead. They win.
Jesus Christ stop being so ****ing French. When someone displays or threatens to display authority you don't need to castrate yourself and hand over the jar with your balls in it right then and there.
Shoot enough of them and the people supporting them and you solve the problem. Yes, you'll have to kill more than one or two. It would probably also help to burn some houses down.
WTF the news says there 80-125 million gun owners REALLY ? OK 2012 election was 120ish mil Voters Romney lost by 3% WTF your telling me even if only half of us screamed and yelled (40 million) we are not going to be heard.....anf then the NRA has a whopping 4 million members.. Something really wrong here. I feel gus owners are so devided where almost certainly doomed! I have already lost several in my small circle..they just couldnt give a shit either way.
They have lost all touch of the constitution the US....frustrating!
They have lost all touch of the constitution the US....frustrating!
Worked for the mujahideen when the Soviets wouldn't leave...sorry Boris.
+1 if I can.
One day a NES house burning day might be needed. I'll pay for your gas from CT to wherever you're needed my friend.
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Four!? Been coming for a while.
I don't want Frenchman to feel like he can't retaliate in kind, so to be fair and socialist about it, I'm Polish and Austrian. A dubious duo I know, so have at it.
BTW the Polish side of my family escaped after Hitler invaded. That would be a large stone in the foundation of why I don't take kindly to people throwing in towels on fights that should be fought, fought fiercely and done so without concern for who's feelings might get hurt.
BTW the Polish side of my family escaped after Hitler invaded. That would be a large stone in the foundation of why I don't take kindly to people throwing in towels on fights that should be fought, fought fiercely and done so without concern for who's feelings might get hurt.
GunGrey
Banned
I have a hard time wrapping my head around the confiscation thing. I can't see this happening anywhere in the US. I'm not saying I don't see the government trying, but what price are they willing to pay for it? I would hate to be a LEO or Military being asked to carry out some type of confiscation. I think most wouldn't agree with it, and even the ones that went along with it MUST be scared that every house they went to could end up being a significant shootout. Is it worth one dead LEO, MIL or civilian to the government or anti's?
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