He will not do chit for the 2A (or anything else that matters) as he will be too busy keeping himself out of jail and trying weasel out of whatever financial judgments are against him. It will be four years of drama, disruption, antagonism, backstabbing and generally zero progress forward for our great nation...
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If Trump were to be elected, what actions could he take to support the Second Amendment (2A)?
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Not if he gets elected.
A sitting President is immune from almost any kind of prosecution, unless a special prosecutor brings a case for something he does during that term. His cases will all be continued until he leaves office.
This is one of the reasons he's running again, I suspect. Not a major reason, but one of them.
HARRYM
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Well, you confused me as you said you voted Libertarian and Weld is a drunk, wife abuser, Liberal, Gun Grabber....
HARRYM
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Well, mark me down for poor reading comprehension then.
VetteGirlMA
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It doesn't make any difference any more until conservatives wake the hell up and realize that the only way to stop the socialists/communists is take their power away by severely and I mean severely cutting the budget and that includes massive cuts in the military. Closing lots of military bases/outposts and possible reneging on our treaties. But today's conservatives aren't concerned about limited government. They're either Trump a** kissers, want revenge on liberals for J6 or simply do the bidding of the corporatocracy. Trump can deregulate industries until the cows come home but until the socialists are pink slipped nothing will ever change. The socialists and communists declared war on not the people, not the conservatives, not the liberals, but the US government itself. That it their true enemy. There are literally hundred of books in print where they outright say this. I'll bet with anyone on this forum, right here right now, that I am the only person that took the time to read The Great Reset and the 4th industrial revolution by Klaus Schwab.
Most republicans today side with major corporations that have major financial interests with the government and hey voting for a little more money here and there isn't a big ask especially for the campaign contributions they can get in return. That's why most of the republican US congress looks and operates just like Mitch McConnell. You think getting rid of Mitch is going to make a difference? Some other person will have access to the magic sack of money that's all. It just won't be old Mitch.
I'm beginning to see the big picture now and honestly how much difference has SCOTUS made inside your entire lifetime? Anything? Anything at all? I mean we've had 4 positive SCOTUS decisions upholding 2A and we could have 20 more and the democrats will simply ignore it. Any why not? There's no penalty for being an a**hole because nothing will change. SCOTUS could come out tomorrow and say RKBA is absolute and guess what? We'll still have to bend the knee to get our 'permission slips' to own our weapons.
The conservative movement needs to focus in on real limited government, the kind that's going to hurt but can't be prevented. But instead they focus in on fringe bullsh*t issues that nobody cares about with the possible exception of abortion and republicans paid dearly for that one SCOTUS win. While conservatives feel powerless for fear of losing political power to say the things that really need to be said, the socialists are keeping the barn door open because they want to crash the US economy into the dirt so they can destroy the US government. They've been writing books and white papers on this very thing for over 70 years now. It is being executed right now before our eyes.
A lot of people, myself included, are just turned off by authoritarian right wingers with their bible thumping moral code as people are over left wing authoritarianism. Left wing authoritarianism is a pill that's easier to swallow but conservatives can't seem to wrap their brains around this. You know what grinds my gears? Right wing moral virtue signalers that are very quick to tell everyone else how to live until photos of them snorting coke out of some dude's a** in a Motel 6 surfaces. Most of the virtue signalers are basically grifters whispering the sweet sweet nothing that right wingers want to hear.
I belong to several liberal mailing lists and groups and you would be shocked to your foundation to know that even in the deepest red of deepest red areas of the country these people are going in there and harvesting ballots and votes for 2024. That process started well over a year ago, now they're just executing on the final strategy. What are the conservatives doing? Nothing, all they have is one guy.
Get ready for another Biden term because conservatives have it all coming to them. You can't say I didn't warn you. The votes are already lined up, it doesn't matter.
mothybee
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Oops, guess I was defunding scotus. Revised 7-2
Grendizer138
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The lawfare is the major reason I’m voting for him. We have to profoundly reject the fascist tactics and alphabet agency interference we’ve seen, and the best way to do that is to make sure Trump is back in office.
He'll do a lot for the 22nd amendment...
Four years? Whether Biden or Trump, I give them 2 years and 1 day.
Honestly, wirh TDS the way it is, I'd say support universal background checks and AWB's.
Please refresh my memory... What exactly, through alphabet soup agency rule making or executive fiat, has Biden banned exactly? What exactly did he do that makes him worse than Trump - who actually banned shit, and seized it with no compensation violating both the 2nd and 4th amendments?
Name this egregious legislation he signed into law... What did Biden do that was worse than, say, NFA, or the Clinton signing of the Assault Weapons Ban?
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HARRYM
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It was 6-3 win in the Bruen case.
Hillary wins in 2016 in 2022 it would have been a Bruen loss by 6-3.
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+1 Dem shit dump cities in ALL parts of the country are armed with suitcases of votes to circumvent any red wave. Dems line up in an organized fashion, drink the cool aid and go for it at all costs. They do have the media backing to do that. They have the playbook.
Meanwhile, We argue over little things like our guy mean tweeting, or acting like a buffoon, and now we can't vote for him.
HARRYM
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It's so frustrating to watch.
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Are you kidding me?
You tube has lots of videos with the AFT coming to peoples house and trying to confiscate their shit without a warrant. I mean one guy was buying diesel oil filters for christ sake.
How many 80% manufacturers did he shut down before they all had to go to court and sue and win? 80%'s arent even firearms......yet the AFT was all over them.
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Yeah.......but Trump mean tweets and banned a bumpstock. Can't vote for him.
No worries...these TDS people will see what happens to their guns after the next Biden shit show gets in office later this year. Lose a few more SCJ's and 2A is finished.
HARRYM
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Many things in this country are madding to watch but at the top of the list is how many in this country have no clue as to how close America is to losing the Republic, the Constitution, our rights, our freedoms, everything......and yet they are willing to grab a torch and a can of gasoline and unleash hell over a mean tweeter.......my education isn't deep enough to get my head around such a level of stupidity.
Agnotology
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Would really prefer Trump to stay away from trying to implement anything to do with guns. His track record and own utterances speak volumes. Not to mention the last thing the Pro-2A people need is ravenous TDS sufferers to rally against guns (not that most of them aren't already). I'd like to see him stick to being strongly anti-gun, and then watch the left explode at having to throw away one of the tenets of their platform or otherwise agree with Trump.
Government was showing up at people's houses long before Biden and will be doing so long after he's gone. This is not new. Just because the reporting on it may be more sensationalized and more prevalent now, does not mean that there's suddenly been a change in government policy.
You make it sound like no knock raids and innocent people getting shot it's a result of an overbearing government is some new anomaly under Biden. It's not Not at all... and it happened under Trump too. I noticed you neglected to mention how the ATF was showing up at your door if they knew you had a bump stock. How about the solvent catchers? Remind me did that happen under Biden? Or was it Trump? Hmmm..... We'll just leave out these inconvenient truths. That behavior and that practice was established long before Biden.
And sadly, it was your boy Trump who really got the ball rolling. With the way the ATF handled bump stocks under his watch it set a standard. One that Biden is only all too happy to continue to use. So thanks Trump, for that.
The President doesn't have much power to change law, but he can improve certain things. People seem quick to forget that the reason pistol braces were able to be shouldered was because of Trump. Within a few months of Trump's inauguration the ATF sent out that memo changing their opinion from years prior, then when Biden came in changes it back, or has tried to, but that Triple Step has caught the attention of many and ATF seems hesitant to poke the bear.
Trump could get NFA Form 4's fast tracked and make the ATF/FBI do it within 3 days if not treat it like the NICS system does and have it done automatically; he can do this by telling the director of the ATF or FBI to do it or they'll be fired.
Trump can do an Executive Order finding that the Sporting Purposes clause in the 1968 GCA is not applicable to any firearm that does not fall under the NFA act, meaning any semi auto rifle, pistol, or shotgun with the proper barrel and overall lengths is importable, so for all those fans of pot metal Rohm revolvers... they would be importable again.
Trump can also encourage Congress to pass funding for lead mining and smelting for the defense industry.
Trump could get NFA Form 4's fast tracked and make the ATF/FBI do it within 3 days if not treat it like the NICS system does and have it done automatically; he can do this by telling the director of the ATF or FBI to do it or they'll be fired.
Trump can do an Executive Order finding that the Sporting Purposes clause in the 1968 GCA is not applicable to any firearm that does not fall under the NFA act, meaning any semi auto rifle, pistol, or shotgun with the proper barrel and overall lengths is importable, so for all those fans of pot metal Rohm revolvers... they would be importable again.
Trump can also encourage Congress to pass funding for lead mining and smelting for the defense industry.
HARRYM
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The President shall pass no laws. It's up to Congress. The Executive order thing is now just a blatant abuse of that privilege and is now a de facto end around the President shall pass no laws. The courts have allowed it to continue. Hell, the SCOTUS told Biden you have no authority to forgive student loans but he just keeps doing it anyway.
There's nothing in the NFA that mandates a waiting period, the President can make the departments responsible work faster to approve NFA tax stamps, he could even mandate that they use an online payment processor to help facilitate an instant transaction.
IDK about you, but for the GCA Sporting Purposes, I can hunt squirrels really well with a .25 up to 5 yards away. There's absolutely no reason no firearm that isn't full auto and isn't an SBR or sawed off shotgun can't be imported.
Pistol braces, “ghost guns,” zero tolerance for FFLs, just to name a few. He’s also not done, as private sales are also on their way out the door in the near future. He admitted himself that he’s done just about everything he can do through executive order about gun control. Name another president that’s admitted that.
The Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which was the first piece of meaningful gun control legislation passed in decades. Lot of bad stuff in there, including something that gave Biden the power to strip funding away from schools that had hunting programs. It took a supermajority of Congress to pass a new piece of legislation to undo what he did. Goes to show you that if you give anti-gunners an inch, they’ll take a mile.
Don’t think that it’s not a big deal just because you’re not affected by it.
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